Posted on 04/16/2008 2:50:20 AM PDT by Swordmaker
This computer rivalry has been elevated to a cultural divide on par with Pepsi versus Coke. Taking it beyond personal taste, PM crunches the numberswith some surprising results (and detailed benchmark scores).
We all know the stereotypes. Apples popular commercials have painted the picture in stark terms: There are two types of people, Mac people and PC people. And if the marketing is to be believed, the former is a hip, sport-coat-and-sneakers- wearing type of guy who uses his computer for video chatting, music mash-ups and other cool, creative pursuits that starchy, business-suited PC users could never really appreciate unless they tried them on the slick Apple interface. Then again, Windows PC enthusiasts probably think that Mac guy is a smug slacker with an overpriced toy that cant do any serious computing anyway. Funny thing is, both stereotypes are wrong. With a 7.5 percent market share, Macs are no longer just the computer choice of artists and unemployed writers. (Apple is, in fact, the fourth largest computer manufacturer in the world.) And now, more than ever, the guts of both platforms are remarkably similar. Both types of machines use Intel processors (although some PCs can be configured with processors from AMD). Both buy memory, hard drives and graphics cards from the same small pool of suppliers. The underlying operating systems have distinctly different flavors, but in terms of functionality, Microsoft Windows Vista and Mac OS X Leopard have surprisingly similar built-in multimedia, Internet and productivity applications.
Yet what makes the platforms feel so dissimilar is their approaches to these applications. Internet Explorer versus Safari, Windows Media Center versus Front Row, Photo Gallery versus iPhoto, Backup and Restore Center versus Time Machinethese system components from Microsoft and Apple are designed to accomplish essentially the same goals. To users, however, the position and movement of the virtual knobs and levers make all the difference.
These things are largely matters of preference and style, but you can still make a reasonable attempt to quantify them, and we did. We tested two all-in-one desktops and two laptopsone Mac and one PC per categoryand assembled a panel of testers with a range of experience and preference that ran the gamut from expert users to my wifes stepfather, who, by his own account, had never actually turned on a computer. Our testers were asked to set up the computers right out of the box and explore the machines through everyday tasks such as Web surfing, document creation, uploading photos, downloading Adobe Acrobat files and playing music and movies through Media Center and Front Row (the entertainment software suites integrated into Vista and Leopard, respectively). Our testers were instructed to divorce themselves as much as possible from their previous technological preferences and rate their experiences with each computers software and hardware.
Usability surveys are like taste testsa useful look at the subjective appeal of a device. (Is it fun? Is it easy? Would I be happy to live with this thing?) But beneath their packaging, computers are data-crunching machines that can be run like racehorses. So the second component of our test regimen was about pure performance.
Our computers were closely matched, but in the interest of full disclosure, well spit out the caveats: The Gateway One PC had a processor that runs 400 MHz slower than its iMac competitor (not a heck of a difference in this age of dual-core chips), but it also had two extra gigabytes of DDR2 memory. In the laptop category, our Asus M51 had a 2.2 GHz processor, compared to 2.4 GHz for our MacBook. But the Asus had a larger screen, a more sophisticated graphics card and an extra gig of RAM.
All that extra RAM may seem to give an advantage to the PCs. Vista, however, is a noted memory hog, so throwing more RAM into PC computers is probably less of a perform ance booster for manufacturers than it is a new baseline hardware specification.
Before we pulled out our stopwatches, we turned to two industry-standard, cross-platform benchmarking toolsGeekbench from Primate Labs and Cinebench from Maxonto get third-party results. We ran both benchmarking programs on our Mac and PC desktop and laptop computers before our testers got their dirty little hands on the equipment to ensure that no confounding software could poison the results.
These benchmarks are reliable indicators of performance, but the numbers feel somewhat meaningless to ordinary users. Which is why we created our own suite of tests to meas ure the speed of everyday tasks. We logged boot-up and shutdown times, and launch times for the Internet browser and media player built into each operating system, as well as for common applications such as Microsoft Word and Adobe Photoshop. We tested how long it took for each computer to rip a CD and install a few big software suites. The laptops were forced to play the longest movie we could find (Saving Private Ryan2 hours, 49 minutes) until they wheezed, sputtered and shut down. Finally, we put all four computers through a stress test. We ran three video sources (a YouTube clip, a DVD and an .avi file), DivX encoding, instant messaging, Word, Adobe Acrobat and a spyware scan simultaneouslythen retimed our launch of Photoshop.
The results gave us a clear winner in the performance categories, but the big surprise was how little difference we found in user preferences. Turns out, both platforms are capable and easy to use, but only one was the victor.
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Hardware | 20-in. screen, 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 1 GB DDR2 RAM, 320 GB hard drive, built-in Bluetooth and Wi-Fi, 8x CD/DVD burner, remote control, ATI Radeon HD 2600 graphics card. |
Software | OS X Leopard, iLife '08 (iTunes, iPhoto, GarageBand, etc.), Front Row, iWork (30-day trial). |
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Ergonomics | ![]() |
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SPEED TEST | Click here for detailed benchmark scores |
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Boot | Average startup | 28.7 sec. |
Average shutdown | 4.0 sec. | |
Install | Microsoft Office | 4 min. 17 sec. |
Adobe Creative Suite 3 | 31 min. 44 sec. | |
Program Launch | Safari (Internet browser) | 3.3 sec. |
Microsoft Word | 4.2 sec. | |
Adobe Photoshop | 4.0 sec. | |
Stress-launch Photoshop (w/ 8 apps running) | 21.36 sec. | |
CD rip | 3 min. 35 sec. |
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Hardware | 19-in. screen, 2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 3 GB DDR2 RAM, 500 GB hard drive, built-in Wi-Fi, 8x CD/DVD burner, remote control, ATI Radeon HD 2600 graphics card. |
Software | Windows Vista Home Premium, Microsoft Works 8.5, Media Center, Microsoft Office (60-day trial). |
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Ergonomics | ![]() |
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SPEED TEST | Click here for detailed benchmark scores |
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Boot | Average startup | 1 min. 13 sec. |
Average shutdown | 44.3 sec. | |
Install | Microsoft Office | 6 min. 25 sec. |
Adobe Creative Suite 3 | 25 min. 45 sec. | |
Program Launch | Internet Explorer | 6.3 sec. |
Microsoft Word | 5.2 sec. | |
Adobe Photoshop | 5.5 sec. | |
Stress-launch Photoshop (w/ 8 apps running) | 40.0 sec. | |
CD rip | 3 min. 35 sec. |
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Hardware | 13.3-in. screen, 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo (Penryn); 3GB DDR2 RAM, 160 GB hard drive, 8x CD/DVD burner, built-in Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. |
Software | OS X Leopard, iLife '08 (iTunes, iPhoto, GarageBand, etc.), Front Row, iWork (30-day trial). |
Weight | 5 pounds |
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With the DVD drive spinning and screen at full brightness, the MacBook made it through our movie, but fell short of Apple's stated 6-hour battery life: 3 hr. 34 min. | |
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SPEED TEST | Click here for detailed benchmark scores |
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Boot | Average startup | 41.6 sec. |
Average shutdown | 3.9 sec. | |
Install | Microsoft Office | 2 min. 57 sec. |
Adobe Creative Suite 3 | 34 min. 54 sec. | |
Program Launch | Microsoft Word | 5.3 sec. |
Adobe Photoshop | 4.1 sec. | |
Stress-launch Photoshop (w/ 8 apps running) | 16.2 sec. | |
CD rip | 5 min. 49 sec. |
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Hardware | 15.4-in. screen, 2.2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 2 GB DDR2 RAM, 250 GB hard drive, ATI Radeon HD 2400 graphics card, 8x CD/DVD burner, built-in Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. | |
Software | Microsoft Vista Home Premium, Works, Media Center, Office (30-day trial). | |
Weight | 6.5 pounds | |
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Many users liked the Asuss 15.4-in. screen, but that large display is a drain on the battery. The Asus couldnt make it through our 2-hour, 49-minute movie: 1 hr. 30 min. |
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SPEED TEST | Click here for detailed benchmark scores |
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Boot | Average startup | 1 min. 51 sec. |
Average shutdown | 25.4 sec. | |
Install | Microsoft Office | 4 min. 46 sec. |
Adobe Creative Suite 3 | 21 min. | |
Program Launch | Microsoft Word | 6.2 sec. |
Adobe Photoshop | 5.2 sec. | |
Stress-launch Photoshop (w/ 8 apps running) | 25.5 sec. | |
CD rip | 3 min. 9 sec. |
Mac: In both the laptop and desktop showdowns, Apples computers were the winners. Oddly, the big difference didnt come in our user ratings, where we expected the famously friendly Mac interface to shine. Our respondents liked the look and feel of both operating systems but had a slight preference toward OS X. In our speed trials, however, Leopard OS trounced Vista in all-important tasks such as boot-up, shutdown and program-launch times. We even tested Vista on the Macs using Apples platform-switching Boot Camp softwareand found that both Apple computers ran Vista faster than our PCs did.
PC: Simply put, Vista proved to be a more sluggish operating system than Leopard. Our PCs installed some software faster, but in general they were slower in our time trials. Plus, both PCs showed weaker performance on third-party benchmarks than the Macs. Our biggest surprise, however, was that PCs were not the relative bargains we expected them to be. The Asus M51sr costs the same as a MacBook, while the Gateway One actually costs $300 more than an iMac. That means for the price of the Gateway you could buy an iMac, boost its hard drive to match the Gateways, purchase a copy of Vista to bootand still save $100.
Benchmark Test | iMac 20-in screen; 2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo; 1GB DDR2 |
Gateway One 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo; 3GB DDR2 |
Geekbench | ||
Overall | 3180 (2651) | 1903 |
Integer | 2766 (3398) | 2324 |
Floating Point | 4460 (2675) | 1713 |
Memory | 2299 (1720) | 1597 |
Stream | 1916 (1819) | 1707 |
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1 CPU | 2619 (2429) | 1979 |
2 CPUs | 4840 (4641) | 3739 |
Graphics | 4819 (3834) | 2913 |
Benchmark Test | MacBook 2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo; 1GB DDR2 (Out of production) |
MacBook 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo (Penryn); 3GB DDR2 |
Asus M51 2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo; 2GB DDR2 |
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Overall | 2885 (2465) | 3156 (2657) | 2445 |
Integer | 2536 (3099) | 2734 (3421) | 3102 |
Floating Point | 3959 (2429) | 4395 (2660) | 2444 |
Memory | 2156 (1730) | 2378 (1785) | 1636 |
Stream | 1809 (1850) | 1853 (1717) | 1772 |
Cinebench | |||
1 CPU | 2409 | 2741 (2561) | 2214 |
2 CPUs | 4468 | 5216 (4838) | 4198 |
Graphics | 2027 | 2040 (835) | 2495 |
Shhhhhh, don't tell anyone but.... Mac wins.
Thanks to Spktyr for the heads up...
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I’m sitting here fuming this AM. Well, every day at some point.
Why?
My virus scan program caught me at a most inopportune time again.
I’m typing away ( I look at the keyboard while typing, I know ) and the virus program has the box all tied up.
Stop typng, nothing appeared on the screen anyway. Wait to download the latest patch, scan the box, blah, blah, blah.
I HATE IT.!!!!
Should be using my Mac Book Pro.
We use *nix almost exclusively in our office with only two machines with W2K on them. One is a ‘honey pot’ and the other is a firewall. The real work is done on *nix systems, mostly Suse.
As a support person for both systems and some other things, my only beef with the Macs is the users. They really don’t know how to *do* anything when it is not as expected. They don’t know how to troubleshoot and just throw their hands up. I had one tell me it was just a tool. Fine, but don’t pretend it is a crisis when you don’t even try.
/rant off. Whew I feel better.
I use AVG, and I can run a full virus scan at anytime, and not even know it's running because it doesn't slow down my machine at all. How much RAM do you have and what kind of AV scanner are you using? I'm running on 4GB of DDR2.
HP Pavilion Slimline s3400z PC
- Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 1 (32-bit)
- AMD Athlon(TM) 64 X2 4400+ dual-core - 2.3GHz
- FREE UPGRADE to 3GB DDR2-800MHz dual channel SDRAM from 2GB
- Integrated NVIDIA GeForce 6150 SE
- No Modem
- 250GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
- LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive
- 15-in-1 memory card reader, 2 USB, headphone port
- Integrated 5.1 Capable Sound w/ front audio ports
- No additional security software (60-day Norton Internet Security trial)
- Microsoft(R) Works 9.0
- HP keyboard and HP optical mouse
I have a 19” Dell flat screen monitor already. The above speced unit cost me $430 including freight (tax not included). Since I use the thing for surfing the web and email 99% of the time, the value appears to be with this unit vs the more expensive alternatives shown above.
I can run a scan in the background, slows down the comp. but it will run.
However it interrupts me to ask me whether I want to download, etc.
If I have it on automatic, I really get frustrated.
Hopefully by the end of the summer I'll have a Mac desktop and say adios to MS and virus scans.
Typing this on the Mac laptop, getting ready to go to work.
Too bad they didn’t include a comparison with an XP machine too. I’d bet the XP comp would blow Vista out of the water.
Thanks for the post. That price comparion has me thinking now- I may finally switch to a Mac with that in mind.
You could buy Vista for your iMac and STILL SAVE $100 !!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !
Or you could keep yer head in the sand and tell yerself PCs are better and Macsa re too expensive !
Time for a new system for daughter who is in school to be an architect specializing in interior design.
Is there a version of AutoCAD for OS X?
Is there a version of Photoshop for the Ma ... umm, never mind, I think I know the answer to this one.
Will she even need an Office type program?
Will it run Folding@home, so her Dad will have hope when he is even older and grayer?
This could be interesting.
Good for you! I'd sooner die than to buy a new PC and end up running Vista.
I now have a 24" monitor but a 19" television.
I’m running AVG on a laptop with 1.25 Gb of RAM and have no problem with it scanning in the background.
I'll not bore everyone with the details but it was a disaster. None of the components was ever as good as it was before.
There were both Mac and MS systems all through the building. Your grasp of the difference in the users is the most accurate description I've seen. I cringed anytime I answered the phone and found myself talking to a Mac user. MS users were frequently problematical too, especially the photographer of 30 years being forced to move from film to digital, but as a whole the MS user was easier to deal with.
Thanks for the observation. Certainly brings back memories!
I could have been more tolerant of the problem users if they had simply acknowledged that their trouble stemmed from having little or no understanding of what they were trying to do and had abandoned any hope they had of solving the problem to the vagrancy's of the computer. Never a good place to be. They were always very defensive and often downright nasty.
PS I recall the day corporate announced they were abandoning the Mac platform and would be moving to strictly MS systems. I will leave the reaction of the Mac users to your imagination. Think big.
I can get an HP quad core ~4GHz, 320Gb HD, 1Gb memory, for $649 at Fry's Electronics. Who has their head in the sand?
So the MS machines had slower processors and somehow the Macs outperformed them. What a surprise!
I sit here typing this on my Quad PC running Vista with 2GB of RAM watching TV on my USB tuner with my email running and AVG scanning the PC without one single bump.
Am I the only one who sees a close similarity between vocal Mac users and Obama supporters?
They act as if they are God’s gift to humanity.
They routinely speak as if they are all knowing, but usually never say much of substance other than how great it is that they support what they support.
They look at anyone that is not the same as rubes “clinging” to backwards ideologies.
When you poke holes in there land of make-believe they accuse you of being a bigot.
They put logo stickers in the back of their car windows, so they can find each other and gush over how cool it is that they are who they are.
They think they are the change that they’ve been waiting for.
Every comparative test I see like this is centered around a user that surfs the web, downloads music, video and chats with friends. It's funny, when I think of a Mac user, I think of someone that uses their machine (I suppose Mac users don't call their personal interface device a machine) as an entertainment outlet, more like a TV. It's probably a stereotype, but it is my perception.
An occasional tech post is interesting but:::::
Have you posted anything not Apple related???
Have you even responded to anything not Apple related????
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