Posted on 04/20/2008 2:59:24 PM PDT by Mark
And there you have it folks. It’s always been style over substance, but only in number not in truth.
Truth always takes a more solitary path and yet will not be denied.
Of-course there exist universal truths that only the insane would deny, but I’m not referring to them.
There are some who would say that it’s the water that keeps the glass from spilling all over the table.
So let the battle begin and may the best man win.
Refreshing to read a review by somebody who actually “got” the movie. It was brilliant!
My wife and I went to see the movie the other day and were stunned, we were not alone! Living in South Florida we thought we would be alone in the theatre. Much to our astonishment the theatre was packed by showtime.
The movie itself is an excellent satire and it is delightful watching the tables turned on some of these folks. Richard Dawkins looks particularly uncomfortable when he suggests that aliens may have seeded our existence while poo-pooing the idea of a “creator”.
The main message of the movie though is to look into the real assault on reason and highlight the need for an open discourse.
While watching the movie the “debate” over climate change came to mind. It made me think that these smart folks need to take another look at Popper and Kuhn before declaring the end to any debate or claiming absolute knowledge.
In the same way that marxists butchered Hegel’s dialectic by claiming the evolution of society ended at thier prefered destination so to the scientific community ignores the scientific method by declaring the end of knowledge to suit thier own ends....
We too thought it would be an empty theatre. It was packed. Only 4 people walked out. Loud clapping afterward.
We have been telling people to go see it.
My wife and I liked it a lot, but in Massachusetts, I can’t say the theater was packed.
Saw the movie on Friday evening. Theater had over 150 people attending, and we had a standing ovation, with a lot of applause afterwards. Loved the movie.
In terms of BOX OFFICE, Expelled opened in the highest number of theaters of any Documentary - Political. See here :
http://boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=politicaldoc.htm
At this point in time, 2 days after opening, it already ranked 26th among all documentaries. If life time gross is 10 times opening, it could well to go to number 3 among all documentaries, behind Fahrenheit 9/11 and March of the Penguins.
Also, I find it interesting to compare the ratings some sites give this movie.
Rotten Tomatoes’ critics rank it at 9%
At Box Office Mojo, 66.4% of viewers give it A’s against 28.7% who gave it F’s
It seems that Expelled’s viewers are even more polarized than Fahrenheit 9/11.
As a point of comparison,
66.4% of viewers have given Expelled an A so far compared to 46.5% to Fahrenheit 9/11.
http://boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/
1 N The Forbidden Kingdom LGF $20,870,000 - 3,151 - $6,623 $20,870,000 - 1
2 N Forgetting Sarah Marshall Uni. $17,348,000 - 2,798 - $6,200 $17,348,000 $30 1
3 1 Prom Night (2008) SGem $9,100,000 -56.3% 2,700 - $3,370 $32,564,000 $20 2
4 N 88 Minutes Sony $6,800,000 - 2,168 - $3,136 $6,800,000 - 1
5 4 Nim’s Island Fox $5,650,000 -38.0% 3,277 -241 $1,724 $32,857,000 $37 3
6 3 21 Sony $5,500,000 -47.5% 2,903 +167 $1,894 $69,984,000 $35 4
7 2 Street Kings FoxS $4,000,000 -67.9% 2,469 +2 $1,620 $19,879,000 $20 2
8 6 Dr. Seuss’ Horton Hears a Who! Fox $3,500,000 -40.9% 2,670 -539 $1,310 $144,407,000 $85 6
9 N Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed RM $3,153,000 - 1,052 - $2,997 $3,153,000 - 1
10 5 Leatherheads Uni. $3,022,000 -51.9% 2,798 +27 $1,080 $26,578,000 $58 3
I’m glad to see Ben Stein’s film at # 9
while Clooney’s Leatherheads is at #10.
GARBAGE
Great movie that was brilliantly made.
Pray for W and Our Troops
Massachusetts would like to ban this movie.
“Is it unfair to liken all Darwinists to communists? Of course, but no less so than likening all believers to al-Qaida and the Taliban - a popular trope among the New Atheists.”
Exactly, and this is the nut of the issue. Somebody has to take the high road and stop resorting to such absurd generalisations.
My observations tell me that the people behind Expelled are essentially cut from the same cloth as the likes of Dawkins, Harris et al.; they see a nice rabble-rousing subject that they can appeal to for financial gain. They have no real interest in getting to the bottom of the issue of whether science and religion truly are irreconcilable. They just want to sell books and movies. And of course, the more insulting, obfuscatory, and sensationalist the media strategy used, the more it sells.
We’re all being conned by this fabricated controversy, imho.
First off, this whole issue is somewhat misplaced; it’s more pertinent to a theological discussion regarding literal vs allegorical interpretations of scripture than an issue of scientific controversy. Clearly, evolution, along with a lot of other science, is in contradiction to a literal interpretation of the Bible. However, it is only a minority who follow this interpretation. That’s not to say that those few are right or wrong (it’s a theological discussion for another day), but to simply point out that for many people there really is no big controversy afoot here. Secondly, in their zeal to attack social Darwinists (and there’s still a few of them around) the ID crowd have conflated a scientific theory with an ideology. Not only rudely insinuating that a large number of God-loving scientists of being immoral degenerates, but putting forth the false dilemma that if you even find evolution vaguely compelling, you must be a satanist!
What’s needed is some coherent, thoughtful and respectful discussion that is inclusive of scientists and non-scientists regardless of faith, which aims to identify reasons for possible conflict between science and religion (particularly theological variances) and how & if these can be reconciled.
And no, science isn’t some leftwing fantasy. It’s been used well in the defence of this country specifically against leftwing fantasies, for anyone who cares to pick up a history book. The last thing we need our kids to be hearing is that science is equal to communism. Way to cut their legs off at the knees and leave them crippled against their enemies.
I went to see this movie last night with friends and we loved it.
We live in the suburbs of ultra-liberal Portland, OR so I thought we would be alone, but surprisingly the theater was packed. And the movie got applause at the end. I counted only two people who left and didn’t come back. Amazing!
The strident atheists hang themselves, Stein just hands them the rope.
Still like most in the genre, it suffers from straw men. There are more reasonable men than Dawkins his side of this debate. Then again, I doubt Stein would have much of a problem with them.
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