Posted on 07/29/2008 8:03:51 PM PDT by OKIEDOC
My wife and I agree to disagree on many topics like finances, parenting, the in-laws, toothpaste tubes and even dining out. Can you imagine, “She doesn’t like Chinese food!” But do I hate her? No. Am I bothered? Yes.
Kobe Bryant of the Lakers really upset me when he cheated on his wife and in the playoffs, after losing one of the games, he suggested “drinking a bunch of shots.” Sorry, Laker fans, but Kobe bugs me. Do I hate the Lakers? No, I like Phil Jackson, Derek Fisher, Luke Walton and many others. I will root for the Lakers at times, but while they have Kobe, I don’t want them to get another championship.
So what does this have to do with Proposition 8, the California Marriage Protection Act? While you may not agree with something or don’t like it, it doesn’t make you hateful. I am a member of different professional organizations, which support policies I disagree with. I am a clinical social worker and a member of the National Association of Social Workers. In the recent professional journal NASW’s California News, Proposition 8 was referred to as “hateful.” That bothered me, hearing that from a professional organization, but I guess you could expect it from a group that also supports abortion.
The hateful speech, we have and will hear, is all another attempt to marginalize Christians and other nice folks who want to stand up against the “tyranny of the minority.” There is a cultural war going on, with a very powerful elite group that really wants to change values many in the U.S. and the world hold dear. Did you know that Vladimir Lenin of the now fallen Soviet Union (Who I used to think made sense!) wanted to abolish the family? He wanted to free women for the industrial revolution. Communism is back-pedaling today in most countries, with the exception of China, where we see abortion and persecution of Christians at an all-time high.
The research on hate crimes (I taught minority group relations at San Diego State University for many years), still has hate crimes against Jewish folks as the highest group targeted. In research about marriage, in Europe, in Denmark and Belgium, where same-sex marriage has been legal for years, statistics show that a very low percentage even get marriage (less than 10 percent), and those that do, three out of four get divorced. So NASW wants me to support something the GLBT community doesn’t even use, and when they do get marriage, it doesn’t work! This thinking is kinda like encouraging me to buy a gas-guzzling vehicle that has a reputation for being a lemon!!! And if I reject the unreasonable, I am being hateful.
Not everyone who opposes same-sex marriage is Christian. I can’t speak for all (like the minority at NASW do), but Christians and social workers are not hateful. Over the years, I have had many friends (and still do), who are gay, and I have treated them with kindness and dignity. For gay folks I have counseled, although we have different beliefs, they have come away feeling better, and seeing me as a helpful professional. I see no value at all in substance abuse, but the addicted I counsel well, are loved and helped in spite of our differences.
In Matthew 19:19, it states “love your neighbor.” Same-sex marriage, according to statistics, leads to divorce. Trying to stop someone from injury is an act of love not hate. And trying to label me to manipulate society is something that was popular in Nazi Germany. By the way, did I tell you I was part Jewish?
Jim Shinn lives in El Centro.
Some sane people still exist and some are located in places like the desert.
I don't count Obama or most of the Democrat party in that group.
Jim Shinn rocks.
He certainly does. And I want to add that the whole Old Testament Law was written by a very loving Father, who knows exactly what His errant children will do, and how the consequences of their actions will hurt them. So He simply told us what not to do and what to do, to be happy and healthy! Having grown up without a father in the house, makes me appreciate the love of Leviticus.
The perverts are crawling out of their dens offended that anyone would support the California ballot amendment against same sex marriage.
Someone signing on calling themselves a Coach this or Coach that and support their right to live with another man and enjoy licking a chocolate lolly pop worries me greatly about them being around impressionable children.
It wasn't that long ago that the Gay and Lesbian groups said they just wanted to be left alone to enjoy their diverse lifestyles.
Now those same people are like those in San Fransicko who are brazenly pulling offensive In-Your-Face perversion.
Just the lowly opinion of a red state wannabe.
Sigh, California is going to hell in a handbasket. I hope I can hang on long enough to see a change in the other direction.
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I had a long conversation yesterday with a Hispanic woman who works for the state.
She echoed the same remarks when I told her that Doc and I were planning on making a move to another part of the country.
Some place where the socialist tax and spend voters were still in the minority.
The woman told me that the Democrats were taking the Hispanic voters for granted.
I hope she is correct.
Nice posts!
OKIEDOC, you’re right about how this started as “just leave us alone” and evolved into something else very quickly. ust ask these folks about “live and let live”:
Leo Childs
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005774.html
Scott Brockie
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2004/apr/04041604.html
Ake Green
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ake_Green
Scott Savage
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49761
Crystal Dixon
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,355507,00.html
Ene Kiildi
http://people.maine.com/paula/pph/pph-2.9b.98.html
The Mennonites of Roxton Falls, Quebec
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/aug/07081701.html
Christian (and Mormon, Jewish and Muslim) business owners in Colorado
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68060
Guy Earle
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=7096c4b6-e48c-46ea-9aeb-7a075a3766e2
Christian youth in Australia
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jun/08062406.html
Christian civil servants
http://www.10news.com/news/16663610/detail.html
The Philadelphia 11
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41705
The Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association
Yeshiva University
California Lutheran High School
A psychologist at North Mississippi Health Services
A Vermont civil servant
Elane Photography
A Christian doctor
A private adoption agency
The Boy Scouts
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91486340
Nope, no problems there. No persecution to worry about, folks, it’s just going to be shiny, happy people holding hands and singing about tolerance.
Does quoting Rule One from Monty Python’s “The Bruces” make me hateful?
My fear is that it will be the second of your two options that will result in the needed change.
This guy makes some great points.
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