Skip to comments.Advice needed for handgun purchase - home defense, pumpkin blasting
Posted on 08/04/2008 9:04:16 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
Should the Obamanable No-man make it into the White House this Fall, I plan to console myself with my first handgun purchase. I also plan to take a concealed-carry class and, of course, training on using a handgun.
I've used rifles and shotguns for many years but have never even fired a handgun. What caliber and model would you recommend that would be easy and fun to shoot for me, but also my petite wife, who may need to use it to protect the kids if I'm not home.
Buy two pistols. If your wife is petite, she won’t care for the big blast and kick from a .40 or .45.
Better get it sooner rather than later; Otherwise your CCP might get inexplicably delayed. I’m going to try to get mine this month, so if any obscene restrictions come about in January I’ll be grandfathered in.
I have a Glock 27, but it may be too wide for small hands; The Bersa equivelant is pretty thin and I’ve heard good things about it. It’s been reccomended several times to me by women.
If your wife isn’t as serious about the training and range time, then go with a revolver. Little to screw up when you really need it to work.
.357 revolver with a 4 inch barrel. You can shoot the .357 the wife can shoot .38 special, .38 special +P or move up to .357
Go to an indoor range ... rent or borrow different types of pistols to see what works best for you.
Revolver. Less complicated and don't have to train yourself to deal with FTF or FTEs except to pull the trigger again.
.357. Load it with .38 for the Mrs.
For home defense, you're going to get a lot of posts suggesting the 12ga shotgun. You get the "warning shot" as you rack the first shell and the lower penetration of buckshot.
Popular home defense calibers are .45, .40, .9mm and .380.
Why let Obama decide if you're going to purchase a handgun? Don't be dependent on him. Be your own man, buy it now.
My pistol is the Ruger GP-10 or something. Get a gun with a ‘mechanical’ sounding name, not something macho sounding like “Dessert Hawk” that sounds like you wanted to shoot someone. Also use “Glasser Safety slugs” for home defense. Sounds “safe”, and they will not go through the perp, through the wall, through your children's room, etc. They explode on contact for “safety”.
Before you purchaese, let your wife go with you and handle the handguns you’re considering, especially if you’re counting on her to defend the home front if you’re out of the castle.
Insure she can rack the slide if you go semi-auto. Rule of thumb is .40 caliber or better, although there’s nothing simpler to handle and fire than a revolver.
A .38/.357 revolver is always better than a jammed semi-auto.
Just my thoughts.
unless you would prefer the ease of a revolver. then go for a .38 or .357.
revolvers have less safety features. maybe you should look at double action only (DAO), spur-less revolvers. you dont cock them. the trigger takes more pressure to fire, but the chance of an accidental discharge is lower. cocked revolvers can have hair triggers.
but just go to a range and try some out.
Gee , I would think living in North Dakota , you wouldn’t have to worry about the frenzied Obama losers coming to your door. Isn’t it sparse of population where you live?
.357 magnum. Double action so you can point and shoot without cocking the hammer. Smith & Wesson makes a solid, reliable one. You can shoot .38 downloads so the recoil is not too strong. For home safety, I prefer the revolver. Less chance of jamming than the semi-automatic.
I also like a rubber grip. Does not slip when your hand sweats. S&W also makes a hammerless pistol. I like this because you can point and shoot without worrying about the hammer getting stuck.
Smith & Wesson revolvers—the original point and click interface.
Amazed at the number of recommendations for revolvers. I had never really thought of that. Are they less expensive? Aren't they a pain to reload when at the range?
The 12 gage is already in a "safe but ready" spot with shells next to it. I thought a handgun would be easier and faster with follow-up shots.
If you get a revolver, get one with a transfer bar (for example, a Ruger) so it doesn’t fire if you drop it.
And if you have young kids, keep it locked up. They make safes that open very quickly.
I have a short-barrel Mossberg 12 gauge under my bed.
Consider a revolver for reliability. I've seen people jam their automatics during range practice. You don't want that happening when time comes for a life-death situation.
They have speed loaders for revolvers. Not much trouble at all to reload.
I got mine when OJ Simpson walked. Glad I did too. They’ve practically banned full-carry permits in my state. They are a lot more difficult to obtain.
Here are a couple of places to start:
Second Amendment Sisters
The Cornered Cat
I prefer revolvers over semi-autos. Very simple, very easy.
They’re easier to clean, they typically don’t have safeties (I don’t like safeties, when I pull the trigger I want it to shoot). They don’t jam like semi-autos. You can’t accidently leave a round in the chamber like a semi-auto. I think they shoot more accurately then semi-autos, I guess because there is less movement going on.
They have more kick then semi-autos, but that’s really not an issue IMO, just get used to your firearm.
Love it even more with CT addition. And the added security of being able to hit your target if you *need* to do so. ;)
Read and learn!
Section 1: HANDGUNS:
9mm: The 9mm round is widely regarded as least effective of all service caliber handgun rounds. In spite of its low price, it is generally only good for "pissing off bad-guys", and reported to be only marginally effective at breaking their skin. Additionally, if the attacker is wearing a winter coat, the user is essentially screwed. Subsequently, it is recommended that 9mm users carry at least three 15-round magazines, because the 9mm ballistically requires at least a dozen rounds per attacker.
.40 S&W: The .40 caliber handgun round is inferior in every way to the venerable .45 ACP or mighty 10mm, yet is only marginally superior to the pathetically underpowered 9mm. Still, there are a few noted "experts" who rely on this round. These small and isolated groups include members such as the FBI, and police agencies across the United States. However, it should be noted that the FBI and police agencies have little choice in the matter. The agencies are virtually required to use the .40 because they are self-described "limp-wristed wimpies" who are simply not up to the task of mastering the fearsome 10mm or .45 ACP cartridges. The .40 S&W round is an inherently compromised caliber, which is also appropriate for citizens who are too embarrassed to carry a 9mm, but too physically and emotionally weak to carry a .45 or 10mm. (Caution: It has also been noted that the .40 will likely detonate a gun within 6-7 months.)
.45 ACP: The .45 ACP is dubbed the "macho man's" caliber, but in reality it is so disgustingly slow that the average man can basically outrun it, or just simply catch it with a good quality catcher's mitt. This caliber is usually only appropriate for old men who like to relive the days of their past through their own distorted views of reality. In real life situations, one is ballistically better off by flinging a glass or metal ashtray at an attacker than shooting him with a .45 ACP. Plastic ashtrays may equal the ballistics of the .45 ACP, so it is advisable to use whichever is most convenient at the time.
10mm: This round has 2 competing theories. Theory A) Proponents of Theory #1 say... "The 10mm is essentially an overpowered rifle round that can somehow be fired from a pistol. It was engineered and inspired by (----insert religious deity----) himself. Although it takes a man built like Hulk Hogan to manage such a potent round, you can rest assured that it will kill muggers or Grizzly bears in one shot... with ease!" Theory B) Proponents of Theory #2 say... "The 10mm sucks! It is basically like an overpriced .45 ACP round, and suffers from the same problems of all pistol rounds. Besides, it's only 1mm bigger than a nine, so how can it be that great?! But God forbid you have to shoot someone with it... it will surely over penetrate the attacker by a good 4-5 miles, and cause a swath of lawsuit-inducing destruction in its path!!"
.357 magnum: The .357 magnum round is described as an excellent round for anyone physically too weak to rack the slide on a semi-automatic pistol. Its downfall is that the user must fire the round from one of those "old-fogey-style" revolvers, which most internet experts agree "totally suck". The .357's popular "proven history of stopping power" is a pointless discussion in modern conversation, because in the era of its prime, all handgun rounds were produced in full metal jackets. Most modern day firearm scienticians ask, "How could anyone prefer something from the era before hollow-point rounds came out!!?!?" It should be conceded though, that this is an acceptable self-defense round in some cases.
.38 Special: The .38 Special round is ALSO described as an excellent round for anyone physically too weak to rack the slide on a semi-automatic pistol. The .38 Special is unique in that it offers less recoil than the .357, which is admired by its chief users: women over the age of 40, and elderly men requiring testosterone-replacement therapy. Unfortunately, the .38 special is even weaker than the pitiful 9mm, and the only weapon that will fire the .38 is a 6-shot revolver. Logically, since it statistically requires at least 10 rounds of .38 special to stop an attacker... using this round in a 6-shot revolver is akin to a "death wish". However, "something is better than nothing" when it comes to personal defense.
.22LR, .25ACP, .32 ACP, .380 auto: These rounds may be grouped into a single category of undeniable worthlessness. Firearms specialists concur that, given the weight of the guns that actually "fire" these puny rounds, a person is statistically better protected by carrying a pocketknife or pocket Bible. The knife may be logically used to fend off an attacker, while the Bible may be employed to help the user recite various prayers in an attempt to call upon an "Act of God" to defend himself. However, if one MUST employ one of these rounds, it is wise to use the .380 auto, as it is the least anemic of the bunch. (The .380 auto may occasionally penetrate a human neck or eyeball.)
.357 Sig: Internet experts from across the globe agree that this round is indeed marginally appropriate for self-defense, but most excellent for people who enjoy spending a lot of money on their ammo, and/or for those individuals who like to make themselves sound important. This round is reported to be ballistically no better than a 9mm +p, but rumored to cost at least twice as much as the venerable .44 magnum! As a side note, this round may also be acceptable for bureaucracies who are legally required to waste a lot of taxpayer money on supplies. The .357 Sig may also be considered a wise investment for investors, as it is expected to become more valuable pound-for-pound than gold in the coming months.
.44 Magnum: Internet ballistic experts concur that the .44 magnum is far, far too powerful for human application of any kind. The .44 Magnum rounds ballistics lie somewhere between the impact of a 19th century 12-pounder mountain Howitzer, and the impact of a modern FIM-92 Stinger surface-to-air missile. Should an individual actually be forced to fire a .44 Magnum cartridge at another human being, he or she should be prepared to deal with the emotional devastation that will occur when the round inevitably passes though your attacker, and slays any (and every) living thing in its path for the next 8-10 miles. If this situation happens to you, then you should also pre-emptively sell all of your Earthly-owned assets to fund your incoming massive legal battle. The .44 Magnum cartridge is best relegated to reside in museums, much like the first atomic bombs, to remind us of the potential destructive power of mankinds technology.
.45 GAP: The .45 GAP can best be described as the Very rich, weak, & mildly retarded mans .45 ACP. Given these constraints, the .45 GAP represents the single greatest advancement in the history of handgun ammunition ever witnessed by mankind! (As long as one slightly confines his or her perspective.) The revolutionary GAP offers 73% of the power of .45 ACP in a compact package, while still fitting the standard womans grip size! The .45 GAP was designed to fulfill a niche demanded by expert teenage female shooters, and fulfills that niche nicely.
What niche, you may ask? The niche in which the .45 GAP truly shines, is in fulfilling the much needed role where a young female shooter demands a caliber that is slightly less powerful than a .45 ACP (but slightly more powerful than a 9mm), holds half as many rounds than the .45 ACP (while costing twice as much per round), yet can only be fired from a small percentage of miniaturized, expensive and elusive handguns. Please be advised that in this specialized niche, the .45 GAP reigns as undisputed king, and should be regarded as such.
The GLOCK Ah, the venerable GLOCK. This gun has at least 2 theories, which will briefly be described here. Theory 1) Proponents of Theory #1 say... "The GLOCK handgun is the ultimate handgun, and is mankind's fourth greatest invention..... following the wheel, fire, and the computer. The gun is unique in that it will kill any attacker, regardless of the ammunition used, in with any handgun caliber! GLOCK truly represents "perfection" in all of its mechanical forms, and it will literally last forever!" Technically speaking, the gun is estimated to only last at approximately 9-9.5 millenniums before showing noticeable signs of wear. Scientists have actually proven that the only 2 things left on Earth after a nuclear catastrophe will be cockroaches, and GLOCK pistols. It is important to note that a GLOCK pistol itself is so accurate, reliable, deadly, and beautifully crafted, that it is LITERALLY dangerous for the human eye to behold. In most religions, it is technically considered blasphemy for a human being to speak a word against a GLOCK.
Theory 2) This crowd feels that.... "The GLOCK is just some 1980's ****ty technology that caught a lucky break. The gun is 94% plastic, and looks about as attractive as an L-shaped brick. The gun is only popular with militaries and law-enforcement because it is so damned cheap!" It is also recommended by this group that the user keeps the gun unloaded and pointed away from anyone at all times, because the gun has no safety mechanisms. Due to its lack of external safeties and poor design, the gun is known to randomly fire off rounds without any warning, manipulation, or provocation from the user. On some occasions, the gun has actually been rumored to reload itself, and should be considered armed and extremely dangerous!
The Revolver: This handgun is perfect for anyone who is physically too weak to rack slide on a semi-automatic pistol, or for anyone who wishes to commit violent crimes and evade the law afterwards! The unique characteristics of the revolver make it an excellent weapon for senior citizens, and assassins alike. Elderly citizens will adore the revolver, due to the fact that is has no overly complex buttons or switches to confuse them. Likewise, assassins will enjoy the revolver because it does not leave behind any incriminating shells at a blood-soaked crime scene. Therefore, the best logical candidate for a revolver is a senior citizen who also happens to be an assassin. In this role, the classic revolver reigns supreme. It is worth mentioning, however, that no other tactical argument can be made for the revolver.
The 1911 Pistol: This pistol represents old-fashioned American ingenuity, innovation, and charlatanism at its finest! Experts agree, that as long as one excludes consideration of any other American firearm produced in the past 150 years, that the 1911 pistol is undeniably the greatest American firearm ever created. Sadly, this weapon has achieved a cult following over the years, because the creator, John Moses Browning, was literally the headmaster of a firearm-related cult. Like the Biblical Moses, John Moses Browning also sought out to achieve a legion of loyal followers. John Moses used the popularity of his infamous pistol to attain this end goal. It is a little known fact, that the unreasonably high (yet often unquestioned) prices demanded for the venerable 1911 pistols still serve to fund the cults activities!
TAURUS Firearms: If you are a South American drug lord, we want your business!! At least, this is the motto TAURUS is considering for its next advertising campaign. Here is the stock photo used for the ad campaign: http://www.taurususa.com/products/pr...ategory=Pistol Preliminary market research suggests that 94% of Columbian Cocaine lords prefer such a finish on a firearm.
TAURUS is a revolutionary, yet elusive firearms company that is based somewhere in South America. Frustratingly, nobody who lives above the Equator actually knows where the TAURUS factories are located, simply because the TAURUS headquarters doesnt know either. It is rumored that many of TAURUS guns are actually handmade by poor rainforest villagers, while other guns are stamped out in portable factories joint-operated by Taurus employees and reclusive cocaine dealers. Since 2001, TAURUS has gradually been diversifying into firearms that actually fire ammunition reliably, and this trend will likely accelerate in the future. This can be illustrated by the new Ecuadorian TAURUS facility that contains a 57-meter indoor shooting range. Several of the new products developed by Taurus have been rumored to fire rounds across the entire 57 meters! New developments from TAURUS will include both sporting and special purpose arms, which may (or may not) contain rust-semi-resistant finishes.
Kel-Tec Firearms: Kel-Tec CNC Inc is an American gun manufacturer that is firmly committed to the development and production of novel, high-performance* firearms that can comfortably** be carried in a pocket. Each Kel-Tec firearm offers a uniquely unreliable design, which only enhances a persons odds of victory should he or she decide to engage in a game of Russian Roulette. As a bonus, the use of Kel-Tec pistols adds additional excitement to any self-defense scenario! Having said this, Kel-Tec firearms make excellent choices for gambling addicts, or for professional Russian roulette players. Also worth mentioning, is the extreme care that Kel-Tec takes in designing their aesthetically appealing guns. Kel-Tecs are world renown for their exquisite handmade*** beautiful craftsman ship.
* High-performance is defined by Kel-Tec as having equal to, or less than, 6 (six) misfires, failures to feed, or failure to eject per magazine. ** Comfortably is defined as without causing extreme pain. *** Handmade is defined by Kel-Tec as sort of machine-made, at least we think so.
Semi or revolver, your choice but don’t wait! Get one (or 10) now while you can! Make sure you have a good rifle too! Something in the .30’s (30-30, 308, 7.62, etc...) as well as a shotgun. At the very least, you will have your tools in case something ever did happen.
Kel Tec PF9. Compact, easy for small hands to grab. Simple to operate, well built, and still a decent caliber (9mm).
May I suggest that you and GOP_Party_Animal spend some time with the FR Gun Club at: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2056102/posts
Very informative stuff there.
You will have a wide variety of ammo available and a wide variety of grips so that you can find something that fits both the wife and you.
Taurus trackers, in stainless steel, use their patented “ribber” grips that adjust themselves to different sized hands, to an extent.
Once you start firing handguns, it is likely that you will want more than one, but the 7 shot .357/38 Taurus tracker in stainless steel is a good bet, as are the various Smith and Wessons in 357/.38, and Rugers. I recommend the 4 inch barrel for beginners. It is a little harder to conceal, but easier to control and shoot, and gives considerably better velocity for the ammunition used.
If you are worried about the Son of Marx becoming Messiah, you had better buy a piston that isn’t on the books. In many states, it is legal to buy a used pistol directly from another owner without any paperwork. Visit a few gun shows and you should find a number of people walking around with pistols for sale. You should do this now and not wait until the public goes into panic after November. A Smith & Wesson 357 Magnum revolver with 4-6” barrel would be good and an inexpensive choice for you and your wife. Stock up on ammo now for a ‘rainy day’.
I have no advice for the poster of this thread (sorry) but that is one hilarious post!
Go to an indoor range ... rent or borrow different types of pistols to see what works best for you.
Lots of garbage, misinformation and nonsense in that post. I wouldn’t trust who wrote it.
What’s a full-carry permit?
LOL! I laugh about the .40. My brother-in-law is teaching me to shoot. He had me try his .40 After the first blast I would unconsciously pull up every time I pulled the trigger. Worse, I would close my eyes. He says he will get a smaller gun for me.
If you are going to go through the hassle to get a CCP, why did you indicate that you intend to leave it at home for your wife to use?
I think your sense of humor is due for an alignment. That post was the funniest thing I’ve read all week.
Mostly because it's easy to get such a permit in ND now. May not always be that way.
***I got mine when OJ Simpson walked. Glad I did too. Theyve practically banned full-carry permits in my state. They are a lot more difficult to obtain.***
Could you explain the timeline for that in NY? I was in elementary school when he was on trial, and I specifically remember I wanted him found guilty even at my young age.
NY had a relatively easy process for permits?
I just looked at it more carefully, and realized that it was a parody. When I first glanced without reading, I missed the point.
Sens of humor intact, but I’ve been devoting far too little time and energy at FR lately, apparently.
Go to an indoor range and spend some money renting handguns and shooting them.
Fact: The neatest homicide I ever worked in my policing days was done by a wife with a little bitty .25 auto at 22 feet with one shot to the heart. Man sat down right there, told his son that he was a dead man and then proceeded to become one before we got there.
The point is: You can kill someone with a BB gun if you know what you are doing. There are lots of people occupying space in cemeteries with holes in them made by .38 special and smaller rounds. First, learn to shoot!
I learned on a Smith & Wesson Model 10 heavy barrel. Cheap to shoot and cheap to reload and they conceal pretty well. And it is easy for anybody to shoot.
Last lesson: learn to shoot at 8 inch pie plates. Then practice on saucer sized targets out to 7 yards. Become consistent. Learn each move slowly. Don’t try to speed up until you are not missing any shots at slow speed. Practice often.
After all that, I have two weapons of choice: 1911 .45 auto or a Smith & Wesson Model 10.
Get a copy of Bill Jordan’s book “No Second Place Winner” and anything you can get by Jeff Cooper.
Why did the guy’s wife shoot him?
Looks like step #1 is to find a range.
Check out this forum on the Smith model 642/442:
Pumpkin blasting? Nothing beats a 14” 12-gauge at close range. Really. At the peak moment, time stops as you perceive yourself within a 12’ sphere of orange haze.
My wife loves her model 36 Smith and Wesson. It fits very nicely in her tiny hand, although I had it upgraded to Pacmar(sp) grips. For the house I suggest a 12 guage. For yourself maybe a Walther PPKs
Check out #24!