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Some readers are taking issue with the anti-abortion allegory in "Breaking Dawn," an unsurprising element considering Meyer has described herself as "really, really religious."

And this is undoubtedly the real opposition.

1 posted on 08/09/2008 12:41:58 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 08/09/2008 12:42:55 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 08/09/2008 12:43:42 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Just shows how brainwashed teens are nowadays. (Exceptions are those that are home schooled and have a good relationship with their church).


4 posted on 08/09/2008 12:44:19 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (Homosexuality IS a choice! There isn't any biological reason for it. They CHOOSE to be that way!)
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5 posted on 08/09/2008 12:44:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I don’t know anything about the series—but it’s the #1 on Amazon right now, with almost 2 thousand reviews.


6 posted on 08/09/2008 12:49:02 PM PDT by Mamzelle (In the cool, dark quiet of my mailbox, John McCain asks me for money)
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Bring it on, wimps!! Let’s go out and buy the books in droves!


7 posted on 08/09/2008 12:49:03 PM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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Pro-life message of not, these books seem to be awfully creepy fare that I wouldn’t let my daughter near. And no, I don’t mean creepy as in “It has a vampire in it and vampires are creepy.”

I mean as in relationship creepy:
http://thepoint.breakpoint.org/2008/07/twilight-the-ol.html


8 posted on 08/09/2008 12:51:54 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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‘”Seriously, folks — don’t burn your copies of the book...”’

That pretty much captures the mind set of the Left here and on similar matters dealing with freedom of expression.

Sieg Heil,Baby Strange!


11 posted on 08/09/2008 12:54:58 PM PDT by Robwin
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Gotta say, too many modern women are pitifully delicate and downright batty, despite unceasing self serving talk about being independent and having strong self esteem.

In my experience female liberals fall in line very quickly - just reassure them that their right to abortion will always be there (no matter how aged and rancid her sex parts might me), and assure them that their government cheese will be there if the provider in their lives ever wises up and busts out on the next laundry truck.

It’s just for that reason I can’t feel sorry for Elizabeth Edwards - she goes along to get along. If she has no dignity, why should I treat her with dignity?


15 posted on 08/09/2008 1:02:15 PM PDT by Sgt Joe Friday 714
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"She has said numerous times that she would simply 'die' if Edward ever left her. It's like her entire life revolves around him. What are you trying to tell young women, Ms. Meyer . . . don't girls have enough self-esteem problems already? Should they really be reading books about a girl who has no life outside of her boyfriend, a girl who readily admits that she would die if he were to ever leave her?"

I wonder what these people said that when they read OF HUMAN BONDAGE, by Somerset Maugham? I have a feeling that these folks don't spend a lot of time reading great literature and they obviously don't want you to do so either.


17 posted on 08/09/2008 1:05:25 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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If the opposition doesn’t like the book; then don’t buy it.

Don’t go and scream not to buy the book or try to ban it just because you are for murdering babies.


23 posted on 08/09/2008 1:13:24 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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This would be the way that the MSM and the networks would oppose baby killing if they weren’t in favor of it. They would turn this book into a made for TV movie.

They would try to denormalize the idea of slaughtering an infant in the womb.

Instead the liberal agenda is more interested in normalizing homosexuality with shows like Will and Grace and Two and Half Men, while banning smoking on screen like I Love Lucy to advance their “progressive” agenda to denormalize a behavior libs find offensive.


25 posted on 08/09/2008 1:25:57 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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See Keep the Aspidistra Flying by George Orwell. This is his one "non-political" novel, but by modern standards it's plenty political.
27 posted on 08/09/2008 1:34:54 PM PDT by Salman
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I read all of these books. The first three were good books. Not fantastic but good. There are good messages in the book - waiting for marriage to have sex and the anti-abortion message (which is not even a point in the book) but the anti-abortion message is not where the fans are upset.

This last book in the series is one of the worst books I’ve ever read. I’ll admit to not reading many sci-fi books but one thing I know is that when an author creates a world she needs to stay within the parameters of the world she created. The first three books were like cotton candy - fluff - the battle scenes went from PG to R in Dawn with a bloody birthing scene that puts Alien to shame. And then there are all of the printing/spelling mistakes in the book that the editor never caught.

Fans are NOT upset about an anti-abortion theme but are ticked that they forked over $15.00 for a book that never should have been published. And they’re ticked at Meyers for not staying true to her characters.


39 posted on 08/09/2008 2:20:36 PM PDT by TightyRighty (I enjoy well-mannered frivolity.)
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On Amazon's U.S. website, a group of readers, led by a one-time bookstore employee, is urging former fans to return their copies of "Breaking Dawn" in order to deprive Meyer of royalties.

I bet these people are a real box of chocolates to be around. I get a distinct Kathy Bates "Misery" vibe from them.

I can imagine them waiting around for the author, sledgehammer in hand.

51 posted on 08/09/2008 3:23:37 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("[Obama acts] as if the very idea of permanent truth is passe, a form of bad taste"-Shelby Steele)
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About half of the Canadian readers weighing in on Amazon's Canuck website aren't happy with Bella's behaviour and the turn of events in "Breaking Dawn."

"Not only is this girl seriously melodramatic and clumsy, she's the most weak-willed and pathetic character ever written," wrote a 28-year-old Canadian fan named Claire R.

OK, I've only read the first book so far, but already I knew that. Anybody who is through the first three books and is somehow dissappointed in Bella in the 4th book for being exactly the same as she was in the first book has some serious problems with people staying in character.

Bella is the ultimate pragmatist. She sees things as they are, and not as she thinks they should be, and she very easily changes her worldview when confronted with new information.

She's also entirely in love with a vampire -- but in the 1st book at least, it seems to me Edward is just as hopeless as Bella.

And anybody who thinks they are going to read a vampire book where the girl is perfectly behaved for her parents probably needs to pick something different to read.

63 posted on 08/09/2008 4:29:05 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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I also note that there is no mention of how many people are actually returning their books. It could be this whole thing is a few dozen people who found a reporter who shared their pro-abortion position.


65 posted on 08/09/2008 4:30:06 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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Wow, lots of hate in this thread.... I’ve read the first three books, but not Breaking Dawn (at least not yet). I do object to the series, but mainly because the main characters for the most part seem incapable of developing healthy relationships, and because Meyer’s writing is mediocre at best - she’s overly cutesy, she repeats herself excessively, and most of the characters are pretty one-dimensional.

As far as the spiritual side goes, it’s really dozens of times better than the Clique, Gossip Girl, or anything else aimed at teen girls I’ve seen recently. The ‘good’ vampires refuse to ‘eat’ humans (they refer to themselves as ‘vegetarians’), and the character that started the whole ‘vegetarian vampire’ thing did so because he was a pastor’s son, and as such believed in heaven, hell, that he had a soul, that it was immoral to kill other humans, even for his own survival, and all the other ‘good vampires’ came to that conclusion their own way. In a strange twist, Meyer’s vampires aren’t repelled by crosses, and as such the father-figure in the vampire family has one from his father’s church in his study. In addition, Edward refuses to have premarital sex with Bella (although, partly because he’s afraid of hurting her), he believes he has a soul and is in heaven at one point, etc, etc.

So, in the end, I think the biggest danger that any girl with her head on straight would have from these books is thinking that Meyer’s writing is anywhere near ‘good’.


83 posted on 08/10/2008 6:26:22 AM PDT by Hyzenthlay (I aim to misbehave.)
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Some are complaining about Meyer's portrayal of her heroine, Bella, as being disturbingly desperate to hold on to her new husband, Edward the vampire...Others are taking issue with the book's focus on Bella's unexpected but post-marital teen pregnancy...

I think there might be more problems with the book than the author's faith.

85 posted on 08/10/2008 5:42:20 PM PDT by grellis (By order of the Ingham County Sheriff this tag has been seized for nonpayment of taxes)
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why do they care if it’s pro-life? i thought they were pro-choice... isn’t life one of the choices?


89 posted on 08/10/2008 7:05:30 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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