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AVG Ver. 8 Corrupt Bin File
AVG Forum ^ | August 17, 2008 | AVG Forum

Posted on 08/16/2008 11:12:03 PM PDT by brityank

UPDATE .BIN error information... Aug 16th 2008

Posted by: rdsok - Moderator (IP Logged)

Date: August 17, 2008 12:07AM

Currently the update for AVG Free v8 is corrupted... you will have to wait for AVG Technologies to address the issue with the update.

Reporting the issue again by other users here will not do any good until it is resolved.

The updates that your AVG currently have will still provide the protection it is setup to detect. In otherwords, not being able to get this update will not make your AVG Free ineffective and as soon as AVG Tech resolves the issue you will be able to update to the current virus definitions at that time.

So in short... please do not post to report the issue, its already known. Also please be patient until AVG Technologies can address the issue.


Also... for those user that did report the issue... thanks for the info.


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1 posted on 08/16/2008 11:12:03 PM PDT by brityank
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To: brityank

Use Avira at Free-AV.com instead.

It ranks better in tests and is still free.


2 posted on 08/16/2008 11:15:58 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: brityank

Yep. I found it, too.


3 posted on 08/16/2008 11:27:06 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: brityank
Try Avast anti-virus. Its free and works well.
4 posted on 08/16/2008 11:31:12 PM PDT by Reagan Man ( McCain Wants My Vote --- this conservative is ambivalent to the odious Johnny Mac)
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To: brityank

It just delays the update of virus definitions. Doesn’t affect the operation of the program.


5 posted on 08/16/2008 11:33:18 PM PDT by js1138
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To: brityank

Looks like AVG caught Norton-itus. It used to be a pretty good trial-ware alternative to NAV, but they have bloated it up pretty bad.


6 posted on 08/16/2008 11:33:55 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: anymouse
Looks like AVG caught Norton-itus. It used to be a pretty good trial-ware alternative to NAV, but they have bloated it up pretty bad.

AVG has been excellent in the past. Now they've added anti-spy and a IE search tool bar. Insane. One of my clients "upgraded" from 7 to 8 and then had to call me because his computer was working extremely slowly... would you believe twenty seconds between clicking on start and having it finally pop up??? It turned out that AVG was forever downloading, ever and ever... without end. Getting rid of the tool bar helped some... but getting rid of AVG solved the problem. Damnit, I liked AVG.

7 posted on 08/16/2008 11:44:52 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: anymouse
Looks like AVG caught Norton-itus. It used to be a pretty good trial-ware alternative to NAV, but they have bloated it up pretty bad.

I would disagree completely. While rolling the AVG AntiSpyware (Ewido) engine and AntiRootKit engine into the AntiVirus product did make it heavier (no doubt), the resulting increased real-time and on-demand protection is substantial.

This from an avowed Ewido fan who is more than a little peeved that AVG/AS and all of the Ewido tools will soon be gone :(

8 posted on 08/16/2008 11:47:51 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: brityank
Earlier tonight I got a huge virus message and sent to the vault.

What else should I do?

My wife's computer got the same looking message two days ago and then the hard drive crashed.

9 posted on 08/16/2008 11:50:10 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMA aka Post Turtle the Forest Gump of American Politics ABORTION -Liberal Child Abuse.)
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To: Swordmaker

You just described my computer’s performance as of late and now I know why. What anti-virus program do you recommend now?


10 posted on 08/16/2008 11:50:12 PM PDT by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: brityank

I still like it, I disabled one section “link scanner” and it works more smoothly now... Not like I go anywhere other than FR and my Christian guild’s web site anyhoo...


11 posted on 08/16/2008 11:58:30 PM PDT by LowOiL (Electile Dysfunction: the inability to become aroused over any of the choices for president in 2008)
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To: streetpreacher
You just described my computer’s performance as of late and now I know why. What anti-virus program do you recommend now?

Being that I am primarily a Mac user, I should issue the obligatory "Get a Mac!" comment—but I shall refrain. So ignore it, I didn't say it. ;^)>

However, I really suggest Avast now to my Windows using clients. You can also, for now, stay with AVG 7. I am going to try Avira on a couple of my clients to see if it might be better. Most of my clients are businesses so they use the upgraded paid versions.

12 posted on 08/16/2008 11:58:39 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: OKIEDOC

ps: Mine was something called a VBS/Agent


13 posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:57 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMA aka Post Turtle the Forest Gump of American Politics ABORTION -Liberal Child Abuse.)
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks. I will look into it. Can I rollback to AVG 7?


14 posted on 08/17/2008 12:04:40 AM PDT by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: Swordmaker; roamer_1
I know this is a bit OT, but still a computer related thread.

I have a problem.

I recently updated my browser Firefox 3.0.1 and after doing so noticed that many of the links on webpages have a red highlight box on them that I find disturbing.

Can anyone help please?

15 posted on 08/17/2008 12:05:03 AM PDT by expatguy ("An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - New & Improved - Now with Search)
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To: Swordmaker
Now they've added anti-spy and a IE search tool bar. Insane.

Don't let it (or anything, of course) install the tool bar, and don't let it send information to AVG... both are setup options which slow INET transactions considerably...

I find it heavier than AVG 7 but still bearable for the trade off in detections. It is seriously better at trojans now that AVGAS is rolled in. I still would not stack it up against my house brand, which is F-Protect, or against Kaspersky or Nod32, but I think it a great improvement for those who don't have the money to purchase one of the above.

16 posted on 08/17/2008 12:12:51 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: expatguy
Can anyone help please?

Although I don't use Firefox3, a quick googling found that your Red Outline may be an indication of a link that goes to a vacant address... a now defunct link. Why not click on one and see what happens (if you can do it safely).

17 posted on 08/17/2008 12:22:01 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: expatguy; Swordmaker
I recently updated my browser Firefox 3.0.1 and after doing so noticed that many of the links on webpages have a red highlight box on them that I find disturbing.

I don't know of any such thing specific to Firefox 3, though maybe some add-on or plug-in you may have inadvertently loaded somehow...

I use Yahoo as a search engine, and they provide a service where known bad sites show up as red links throughout their search results... there is a fairly obvious explanation thereof at the top of the results page if bad links are included, however. I wonder if it is something like that, or something similar provided by your anti-virus software?

18 posted on 08/17/2008 12:23:57 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: brityank
You can do it manually if you go to this page and download the AVI:270.6.4 binfile to a folder (like c:/program files/ AVG/AVG8), then from the tools menu in AVG, choose update from directory and point it to where you saved the file.
19 posted on 08/17/2008 12:26:16 AM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: Swordmaker

It is not to vacant address it is to working links.


20 posted on 08/17/2008 12:40:51 AM PDT by expatguy ("An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - New & Improved - Now with Search)
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To: streetpreacher

AVG no longer provides updates for AVG 7. If you have a paid version of 7.5 you still get updates.

I have learned from my consulting work that 7.5 is no longer adequate for people inclined to browse unsafe sites and click OK on dubious offers. I’ve had to restore two machines for office workers who strayed from business.

It really takes a tough and up-to-date AV system to protect people who authorize downloads at certain kinds of sites.

Spyware Blaster can block thousands of sites and ad servers simply by putting them in the restricted zone. Spyware Blaster doesn’t have a program running in the background.


21 posted on 08/17/2008 12:49:12 AM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138

Spyware Guard also by javacoolsoftware is the realtime component of Spyware Blaster.

Also, AVG 7.5free is still being updated till the end of the year.


22 posted on 08/17/2008 1:07:16 AM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

Based on personal experience, I don’t recommend staying with 7.5. Particularly if you browse family unfriendly sites.

Also, if you read the list of sites blocked by Spyware Blaster, half of them promise Anti-virus or anti-spyware programs. The lesson there is to read reviews and choose products wisely. Legitimate anti-virus vendors do not use popups and spam.

The guys whose computers I restored got a popup message in an email telling them a virus had been detected. They clicked OK to clean it and the result was total destruction of Windows.


23 posted on 08/17/2008 1:26:00 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Reagan Man

I am TOTALLY computer illiterate. A while back I switched from AVG Free to Avast because of some threads I had read here on FR. Somehow, someway, somewhere, almost immediately, I lost Java Flash. I’ve tried to re-install it to no avail. I removed ALL my Adobe and then re-installed them. Adobe Reader 9 and Adobe Acrobat went fine...still can’t install Flash. At present I have Avast Antivirus and Norton PC Check-up. Could these be stopping me from getting Flash?


24 posted on 08/17/2008 5:35:42 AM PDT by Roccus (Someday it'll all make sense.....maybe.)
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To: roamer_1
The downside is that if you don't upgrade to the paid version of AVG 8, you lose the email protection after the first 30 days. This allowed a buddy's system to get hit by a particularly nasty version of AntispywareXP-2008. I never was able to completely rip it out (it had installed at least 4 different "phone home" trojans), so I wound up just wiping the disk and starting fresh.

They're on Avast now.

Mark

25 posted on 08/17/2008 5:57:40 AM PDT by MarkL (Al Gore: The Greenhouse Gasbag! (heard on Bob Brinker's Money Talk))
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
Spyware Guard also by javacoolsoftware is the realtime component of Spyware Blaster.

I don't believe that SG has been updated for a number of years now, though it's still available for download, and I'm a current user of Spyware Blaster.

26 posted on 08/17/2008 6:06:16 AM PDT by MarkL (Al Gore: The Greenhouse Gasbag! (heard on Bob Brinker's Money Talk))
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

So what are you saying... just use Spyware Guard? Couldn’t quite follow your point.

Am getter ready to install Spyware Blaster on my new PC. Was using it on my old one before the chip fried. Was going to install AVG again but guess I will go with AVAST now. Just want to get rid of the PC-cillan that came with this thing.


27 posted on 08/17/2008 6:18:45 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: brityank

This fix is from yahoo answers (posted by intc_escapee).
If you can’t wait for grisoft to fix it this works.

1) go to »www.grisoft.com/ww.download-update
2) make a directory on your desktop called AVG
3) download AVI: 270.6.4
4) download IAVI: / 1616
5) move the dowloaded files to the directory you made called AVG
6) launch AVG
7) select tools -> update from directory
8) select the directory called AVG where you put the downloads


28 posted on 08/17/2008 6:27:15 AM PDT by parcel_of_rogues
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To: parcel_of_rogues

AVG fixed the problem hours ago. It never really interfered with the operation of the program anyway.


29 posted on 08/17/2008 6:37:21 AM PDT by js1138
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To: brityank

tech bump - need coffee 1st! ;-)


30 posted on 08/17/2008 6:43:43 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here. ;-)
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To: Swordmaker

The IE search bar is an install option. It can be de-selected. The slowness means the AV is running a scan. If the scanning is backed off to once a week interval it will not be noticable as much. The processor usage can also be reduced in the Scan Speed setting. Slow = low CPU usage.


31 posted on 08/17/2008 6:46:07 AM PDT by Justa (The media lied while Americans died.)
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To: Justa; Swordmaker; Tunehead54; js1138; parcel_of_rogues; Lee'sGhost; PeaceBeWithYou; MarkL; ...
Just a one-time ping to all who responded; THANK YOU !       :^)

As js1138 noted in his #29, I just reran the Update and it did it successfully.

Thanks also for the info on why AVG has become so 'bloated', seems to be a common problem with most Windows products, by design I'm sure. And thanks for the pointers to other programs, FReepers truly are a well of knowledge.

FREEP ON !!

32 posted on 08/17/2008 8:15:25 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Roccus

From my experiences, any software program, whether downloaded from an internet site or pulled off a cd/dvd, can cause trouble for a Windows based operating system. Its a hit and miss process, especially with free software. Haven’t worked with Vista yet, but I doubt its any different. Before MS came out with OneCare, I used primarily CA anti-virus and Avast anti-virus free -— along with Spyblaster and Spybot S&D -— and found it to work best. Used it on an old Win98SE opsys and it worked well. Avira anti-virus free version was also a good choice. Always had problems with AVG free. If you’re running XP you can get Windows Defender for nothing. If you have Qwest DSL they offer OneCare Security package free. Some people choose expensive and bloated security packages like Nortons and McAfee. Never went there. You can Google many problems you’re having with your operating system and solve issues as they arise. With computers, patience is a virtue.


33 posted on 08/17/2008 8:57:31 AM PDT by Reagan Man ( McCain Wants My Vote --- this conservative is ambivalent to the odious Johnny Mac)
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To: Reagan Man

One Care is better than nothing, but AVG and Avast are at the top of low cost scanners.

AVG 7.5 had a genuine problem with malicious websites. Some sites pop up a message that looks exactly like a message from the virus scanner, asking if you want to send a file to the virus vault.

When you click OK, you have authorized installing a Trojan horse.

Unfortunately there is no way to protect people who have administrator rights and are inclined to click OK every time they are asked. Except to block access to malicious websites, and there’s a cost involved in that approach.


34 posted on 08/17/2008 9:10:07 AM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
>>>>>One Care is better than nothing...

OneCare is solid as a rock. I've never had any problems with it. People who object to OneCare are usually people who object to Microsoft.

35 posted on 08/17/2008 9:34:12 AM PDT by Reagan Man ( McCain Wants My Vote --- this conservative is ambivalent to the odious Johnny Mac)
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To: Reagan Man

Thanks for the reply. I’m using XP and should have said so. Also, I needed the motherboard replaced a while back, long before this problem arose. E vidently the fan wasn’t working properly and cooked the processor and MB. I now have an ASUS motherboard, K8V-VM series is on the disc. I understand that registration(?) is one of the things that cause the problem I have. Do you think this (not having the original MB or processor) will effect going the Google route? Thanks again.


36 posted on 08/17/2008 9:37:43 AM PDT by Roccus (Someday it'll all make sense.....maybe.)
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To: brityank

BTTT !


37 posted on 08/17/2008 9:43:33 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Reagan Man

Any anti-virus program is effective if you avoid malicious websites and don’t authorize the installation of malicious programs. In actual side by side tests, however, One-Care detects fewer threats than some other programs.

Unless you’ve seen a computer taken over by spyware or Trojans, and unless you know what the user was doing at the time, you really don’t have a feel for what kind of protection is needed.

The current crop of malware masquerades as anti-virus software. The virus installation program pops up looking like a message from your virus scanner. The instinctive reaction is to authorize it to clean your machine.


38 posted on 08/17/2008 9:51:07 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Roccus
Your hardware troubles trump any software problems you've been dealing with. Google can be useful in directing you to helpsites and website forums where other users have encountered similar difficulties like you've had. Registering products online shouldn't interfere with using Google or other search engines to solve hardware/software related problems. You just need to use the right designated information from the product labeling. Obviously, any website can have internal operating glitches. A website is only as good as its website-master and of course, the software its using to run the show. Again, its a process of hit and miss.
39 posted on 08/17/2008 10:00:42 AM PDT by Reagan Man ( McCain Wants My Vote --- this conservative is ambivalent to the odious Johnny Mac)
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To: js1138

I’ve read all the data supplied by the so-called, impartial third party test organs. While its true OneCare isn’t given a good rating, its worked for me, several business associates and its worked for several friends that have hooked it up to their home systems. Btw, my internet surfing is pretty extensive from time to time. Been working with computer operations for 35 years, at IBM/ROLM, Kaman Sciences, Litton Data Systems, Aircraft Mechanics and have had a home PC and internet access since the mid-1990`s. No expert, for sure. But I’ve found MS products to be highly functional and OneCare is a solid choice.


40 posted on 08/17/2008 10:14:35 AM PDT by Reagan Man ( McCain Wants My Vote --- this conservative is ambivalent to the odious Johnny Mac)
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To: Reagan Man

I’ve been in the PC business since 1984. I’ve only seen two virus taht weren’t the result of users authorizing installation of software that they shouldn’t be using. Spyware was rampant on the free music sites. the two recent cases involved porn.

If you don’t surf trash sites you don’t need a great virus scanner.

Let me ask a simple question. Has One Care actually detected anything for you? I ask this because most of the people I know would respond that their virus/spyware programs have never seen any malware.


41 posted on 08/17/2008 10:24:50 AM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
>>>>>If you don’t surf trash sites you don’t need a great virus scanner.

Agreed. But you don't want to have your security system detect a virus after its been installed on your pc and allowed to run wild. Same for spyware and other infections. You want it stopped at point of identification. OneCare has done a great job in that regard. Especially on viruses. I've been to some nasty websites on occasion. Often to test out a new anti-virus or anti-spyware software. There has been a significant level of criticism thrown at OneCare. Since I started using OneCare in beta form back in the fall of 2006, it has been solid, detecting several dozen pieces of infectious crap.

42 posted on 08/17/2008 10:49:55 AM PDT by Reagan Man ( McCain Wants My Vote --- this conservative is ambivalent to the odious Johnny Mac)
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To: js1138
The guys whose computers I restored got a popup message in an email telling them a virus had been detected. They clicked OK to clean it and the result was total destruction of Windows.

In this day and age, that should have been a no-brainer.

43 posted on 08/17/2008 12:36:03 PM PDT by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: Justa

It slows my computer on start-up; it’s not running a scan.


44 posted on 08/17/2008 12:40:08 PM PDT by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: Swordmaker; brityank
The info on email scanning being dropped after 30 days is disturbing.

I have seen three systems this month with AntispywareXP-2008 and one with Virtualmonde.

I can't possibly charge enough per hour to make cleaning these viruses off a system worth it for me. Takes several hours, and at some point you just cap the fees.

Please ping back with info on how you have found Avast and Avira to work. I will start carrying both.

Bummer, I really, really liked AVG ...

45 posted on 08/17/2008 2:24:35 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: texas booster; Swordmaker
The info on email scanning being dropped after 30 days is disturbing.

I just went and checked my AVGv8, and it has the Email Scanner active. I don't have it stripping any attachments, as I get quite a few, but it does check them as I did have one quarantined a couple of weeks ago.

Swordmaker -- where did you hear it went inactive?

46 posted on 08/17/2008 3:18:03 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: MarkL
The downside is that if you don't upgrade to the paid version of AVG 8, you lose the email protection after the first 30 days.

That is not true. The email virus protection continues to work after 30 days.

That 30 days is for the anti-spam feature that is in the Pro version, IIRC.
47 posted on 08/17/2008 3:18:46 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: texas booster

The only way to protect ordinary users from malware is to block the sites that provide the downloads. AVG8 does this. Spyware Blaster does this and also blocks ad servers.

These days the focus of malware is to trick you into authorizing the download and installation. The latest one to cause trouble disguises itself as a message from your anti-virus program. The real solution is simply not to go to sites that carry this stuff. If that means having a nanny program, then so be it.


48 posted on 08/17/2008 3:25:13 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
Then a nanny it is. Preferably one with a strong yardstick.

I religiously install Spybot and then immunize. I love it when I get an email wanting to know why a user can't download music anymore from *.ru.

Thanks for the info.

49 posted on 08/17/2008 3:33:47 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: texas booster
I love it when I get an email wanting to know why a user can't download music anymore from *.ru.

I just ask if they've been browing porn. The Dilbert approach.

50 posted on 08/17/2008 3:37:30 PM PDT by js1138
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