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Fundamentalist doctrine does not belong in schools
The Oklahoma Daily ^ | August 25, 2008 | Zac Smith

Posted on 08/25/2008 4:20:50 AM PDT by Soliton

In June, Governor Brad Henry vetoed the “Religious Viewpoints Antidiscrimination Act,” a piece of legislature authored by Sen. James Williamson and infamous fundamentalist Rep. Sally Kern.

If passed, this bill would have, among other things, guaranteed that “students may express their beliefs about religion in homework, artwork and other written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious content of their submissions.”

You read that correctly.

Answer on a test that the universe began 6,000 years ago with a few words from the mouth of an invisible, magical entity rather than 13.73 billion years ago with the expansion of energy from gravitational singularity? A-plus!

So it might have been if Gov. Henry hadn’t interceded. I’d like to tell Henry: Thank you from the bottom of my heart, and God bless you.

And to those of you who weren’t kicking up a fuss about the bill or at least complaining about it on your blogs: What were you thinking?

This isn’t the first time Kern and those like her have tried to insinuate superstitious nonsense into the curriculum of our state’s children, and it certainly won’t be the last.

Some of you may be too busy to follow each shot fired in the battle between the proponents of intelligent design the nom de guerre behind which creationism usually hides when its proponents seek to incorporate it into educational curricula — and its detractors.

(Excerpt) Read more at oudaily.com ...


TOPICS: Education; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: creationism; education; evolution; id; obsession; psychosis; scientism; yawn; youboreme
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1 posted on 08/25/2008 4:20:50 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: Soliton

When you take the Socialist and Homosexual and Islamist and Abortionists agenda out of our schools then maybe you take a persons right to express their Fundamentalst viewpoint. Until then STFU.


2 posted on 08/25/2008 4:26:16 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Got Freedom ? Thank a Veteran...... Want to keep Freedom? Don't vote Obama)
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To: Soliton

The doctrine of the scriptures of God’s Christ does indeed belong in the public schools. The fallacy of no God leads people into sorrow and death.


3 posted on 08/25/2008 4:28:11 AM PDT by kindred ( Third party conservative for Chuck Balwin,McCain is a liberal,Obama a communist.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Until then STFU.

May Christ smile upon you too! :)

4 posted on 08/25/2008 4:28:19 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: kindred
The doctrine of the scriptures of God’s Christ does indeed belong in the public schools. The fallacy of no God leads people into sorrow and death.

When did all the churches go out of business?

5 posted on 08/25/2008 4:29:21 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: Soliton

[This isn’t the first time Kern and those like her have tried to insinuate superstitious nonsense into the curriculum of our state’s children,]

our state’s children,

a democrat or rino wrote this as they beleive the state and not the parents own children.


6 posted on 08/25/2008 4:30:46 AM PDT by kindred ( Third party conservative for Chuck Balwin,McCain is a liberal,Obama a communist.)
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To: kindred
a democrat or rino wrote this as they beleive the state and not the parents own children.

I think you are confused. It wasn't a political statement, but a scientific one. Why can't parents take their kids to church to learn about religion?

7 posted on 08/25/2008 4:33:12 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: Soliton

There is no scientific proof for evolution, as it is just a theory. When you think about the complexity of even the smallest of molecules, germs, etc., it is incredible to see design with intent. I’m sorry, but it takes a HUGE leap of faith to think that a huge explosion in space billions of years ago brought order out of chaos. In the real world, an explosion disrupts and brings chaos...which is what one expects, out of order.
The law does not even intend to exclude the teaching of eveolution...so what are they afraid of? A little truth exposing the LIE that the ungodly want to shove down our throats?


8 posted on 08/25/2008 4:35:31 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Soliton
guaranteed that "students may express their beliefs about religion in homework, artwork and other written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious content of their submissions"

"The so-called 'terrorist attacks' of September 11 were a black operation of the BushCheneyCIAHalliburton cabal. Allah Akbar!"

9 posted on 08/25/2008 4:36:10 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: Shery
There is no scientific proof for evolution, as it is just a theory

That was so stupid a statement, I hesitated to respond. How did you learn to write without knowing how to read?

10 posted on 08/25/2008 4:37:41 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: Soliton
“students may express their beliefs about religion in homework, artwork and other written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious content of their submissions.”

The sad thing about this "legislation" is the students already have the right to express their religious beliefs. The first admendment guarantees it. We don't don't need more legislation, we just need to stop the state/courts from usurping and abridging a right we already have!

11 posted on 08/25/2008 4:40:03 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Vote Conservative Repuplican!!)
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This legislation wasn’t designed to allow kids to mention Jesus in an English paper, but to prevent them from losing points for putting nonsense in science papers.


12 posted on 08/25/2008 4:42:37 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

With school choice, each parent can decide what is best for his or her child. Freedom!


13 posted on 08/25/2008 4:46:37 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Regarding Jerome Corsi and Obama Nation -- http://americanissuesproject.org/)
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To: Soliton

Damn right too. I dunno why people want to take the easy way out to proselytyzation. If you want to spread the word, do it on your own time, not on my tax money.


14 posted on 08/25/2008 4:48:00 AM PDT by ketelone
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If you want to spread the word, do it on your own time, not on my tax money.

In my town alone there must be ten large churches on Main Street. I think kids must be refusing to go to church and their parents are desperate so they try to turn public schools into churches.

15 posted on 08/25/2008 4:51:38 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: Soliton
Why can't parents take their kids to church to learn about religion?

And keep it there - behind Church walls, right?

This is the socialist manta of the Marxist left. They conveniently forget the other side of the mythical "separation-of-church-and-state" coin: "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." In public is where true religion is exercised.

16 posted on 08/25/2008 4:51:40 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: Soliton

Behold the jackass in its natural environment: the internet.


17 posted on 08/25/2008 4:52:00 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Soliton; Shery

Education needs more parental decision. And junk science is proven to be a fairy tale. Just look at the old ‘Ice Age’ theory. Is it now safe to say that at least that theory was debunked?

I used to be a die-hard evolutionist until I read one of Ann Coulter’s books. If I recall it was, “How to Talk to a Liberal if You Must”. A real eye opener about evolutionism.

On the other side of the coin, the six of Genisis were not solar days. If one reads Page One carefully, one finds that the days of Genisis were beyond mortal comprehension at the time the Book was written. There was no sun on the first day. There was no manmade time piece of any kind either.

Conclusion: why not give the parents more say of what their kids are taught?


18 posted on 08/25/2008 4:53:44 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Regarding Jerome Corsi and Obama Nation -- http://americanissuesproject.org/)
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To: Soliton
The claim is, that there is some sort of a dialectic between evolution and religion. There isn't. In order to have a meaningful dialectic between evolution and religion, you would need a religion which operated on an intellectual level similar to that of evolution, and the only two possible candidates would be voodoo and Rastafari.

In fact if you wanted to be fair about it and let all sides be heard, Rastafari would lend itself quite well to certain kinds of team teaching situations; a bio teacher looking for a way to put 30 teenagers into the right frame of mind to be indoctrinated into something as idiotic as evolutionism could walk across the hall to the Rasta class for a box of spliffs....

The dialectic is between evolution and mathematics. Professing belief in evolution at this juncture amounts to the same thing as claiming not to believe in modern mathematics, probability theory, and logic. It's basically ignorant.

19 posted on 08/25/2008 4:54:46 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: fwdude
And keep it there - behind Church walls, right?

No, there are TV ministries, religious radio stations, direct mail, soap boxes on corners. They're okay by me and the Constitution. It is unconstitutional to teach Creationism in school and ID is just Creationism. Conservatives believe in the constitution.

20 posted on 08/25/2008 4:55:21 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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