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Vanity... I want to buy a Glock 19 (G19) So it's a gun question you Freepers......
10/11/08 | Me

Posted on 10/11/2008 7:48:11 PM PDT by eaglegso

I own a S&W 357 (Long, freakin' barreled handgun) that can not be carried around at all, it's too long. I got it from my grandfather, when he passed!

I own a Walther PPK, I sold my P99 recently. But I decided to go in to a dealer today, just to see something new with some more stopping power than the PPK. They tried to sell me on a Glock 19 (which I liked alot actually). I went and shot it, in the shooting range, and I would like to get your honest opinion on that gun!

I want something with some stopping power, than a PPK. I know the PPK will not give me the stopping power I need, so I will ask you, and hope you can give me some honest responses on a Glock 19. What do you think?

Is the Glock 19 a great gun?

I want a really good reliable handgun for myself with some stopping power, beside the PPK.

Glock 19 - Good Gun??


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I own a S&W 357 (Long, freakin' barreled handgun) that can not be carried around at all, it's too long. I got it from my grandfather, when he passed!

I own a Walther PPK, I sold my P99 recently. But I decided to go in to a dealer today, just to see something new with some more stopping power than the PPK. They tried to sell me on a Glock 19 (which I liked alot actually). I went and shot it, in the shooting range, and I would like to get your honest opinion on that gun!

I want something with some stopping power, than a PPK. I know the PPK will not give me the stopping power I need, so I will ask you, and hope you can give me some honest responses on a Glock 19. What do you think?

Is the Glock 19 a great gun?

I want a really good reliable handgun for myself with some stopping power, beside the PPK.

Glock 19 - Good Gun??

1 posted on 10/11/2008 7:48:11 PM PDT by eaglegso
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To: eaglegso

I prefer a Glock 20.

It’s *OK* for carry, and is chambered for .40 cal, which is a good balance between 9mm and a .45.


2 posted on 10/11/2008 7:51:39 PM PDT by KoRn (Barack Obama Must Be Stopped!!!)
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To: eaglegso
It is actually a very fine gun. Suitable for concealment or carry. Reliable and the 9mm with good HP ammo will more than do the job.

Mine also fit my hand well.

3 posted on 10/11/2008 7:51:53 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: eaglegso

Laser dot “fixes” a lot of guns.


4 posted on 10/11/2008 7:52:12 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Maverick Barracuda voter! Drill baby drill!!)
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To: eaglegso
I know the PPK will not give me the stopping power I need

It might, depending on shot placement and good hollow point ammo. A .380 can pack a punch.

I have a PPK/S (West German made), and other than the crappy trigger it's a fine pistol.

Check out the Kahr K9 9mm for a concealed carry piece. ....or one of their lighter polymer offerings.

5 posted on 10/11/2008 7:52:32 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: eaglegso

19 is a full size weapon and I would not want for CCW.

Get a glock model 23 or 30.

23 is med size 40 s&w
30 is med size 45

The 23 is hands down a great weapon that is easy to conceal especially with an ultimate conceal carry holster.


6 posted on 10/11/2008 7:52:37 PM PDT by Shaker_Cuda
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To: eaglegso

If you trust your life to a 9mm....

I like my M23. .40SW cal.

My pal Dan the Detective sez....”I’ve seen a lot of bad guys walk away from a 9mm...”


7 posted on 10/11/2008 7:53:10 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR....Monthly Donors Wanted)
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To: Shaker_Cuda

What do you think about the lack of a safety on the Glock? Is that an issue in your opinion?


8 posted on 10/11/2008 7:56:09 PM PDT by eaglegso (She's a Hottie!)
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To: eaglegso

I recently bought an Smith&Wessen M&P .40 and I love, love, love it!

Feels much better in my big hands than a Glock.

Shoots nice too! Sweeeeet!

Highly recommended by Boucheau. :)


9 posted on 10/11/2008 7:57:13 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: eaglegso

My advice for concealed carry is the largest caliber weapon in the smallest possible package you can shoot comfortably and confidently. If the Glock 19 fits that description for you, it’s perfect. If not, keep looking around.


10 posted on 10/11/2008 7:57:18 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: eaglegso

Here is my totally biased answer, since every gun enthusiast is totally biased—why hide that fact?

I got my CHL to carry within the last two years and bought my first handgun. Now I own a few (as always happens once you start).

I qualified with a Glock 19. It was okay. Tried another one at the range. Did not like it at all. Just did not feel right.

They have the reputation for reliability. Downside for me is the lack of manual safety. Others will have their own preferences.

I go with HK 9mm or Sig. I have an HK 9mm. Holds 10 rounds. I have a Sig P220 (.45 cal.) Great gun also.

For stopping power I recommend a 9mm or higher. .40 seems to be a popular caliber with police. Never shot one.

Can’t beat a .45 for stopping power. The number of rounds you can carry might be an issue. If a .45 then a smaller frame would be appropriate for carry purposes which would reduce the number of rounds even more.


11 posted on 10/11/2008 7:57:35 PM PDT by bitterdfwrepub
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To: Mr. Mojo

I’ve never heard of a Kahr K9 (at this point), but I will deinitely look in to it.


12 posted on 10/11/2008 7:57:52 PM PDT by eaglegso (She's a Hottie!)
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To: eaglegso

It’s a good firearm, but I prefer the Sig Sauer P250.


13 posted on 10/11/2008 7:57:57 PM PDT by paltz
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To: eaglegso

As long as you don’t pull the trigger, it won’t fire.


14 posted on 10/11/2008 7:58:02 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR....Monthly Donors Wanted)
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To: eaglegso
Glock 19 - Good Gun??

No, not anymore. It's been updated by the Springfield Armory XD. Since you're concerned about stopping power, look for one in .40 S&W.

15 posted on 10/11/2008 7:58:44 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: eaglegso
All other things being equal I'd probably opt for the G23 .40 caliber instead of the 9mm. The G19 is a good gun though.

One of my pistols is a G35, which is the .40 cal with a long barrel. It's not my favorite gun since I don't like the feel of the trigger on a Glock. I can't complain about the accuracy of it though. I'm a better shot with my Glock than I am with my Kimber .45 (which really annoys me).

16 posted on 10/11/2008 8:00:21 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: KoRn

GLOCK 20 is 10mm. It is not between the 9mm and 45 but above them both in power.


17 posted on 10/11/2008 8:01:09 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: eaglegso

wish you had kept the P99. I have both the glock and the P99 and like them both, but the glock wins out only because of the cost of extra magazines.

The P99 and the glock are equal in reliability and accuracy...my walther is in 9mm, rather than 40 cal.

My bedside pistols are a J frame smith and wesson 38 snubby and the glock 19 loaded with 127 gr +P+ speer lawman ammo.

I guess Im saying that either auto will do you fine, but the glock wins out only because of extra mag costs.


18 posted on 10/11/2008 8:01:14 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Some men just want to watch the world burn)
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To: eaglegso

It is an issue with me. A wise man[Cooper] said putting the safety on the trigger is like putting the combination to your safe just above the dial.


19 posted on 10/11/2008 8:01:35 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: eaglegso

Glock is a good gun. Is this for carry? Go to a range where they let you try them out.

How big are you? If you are a female you may want to be concerned about kick or recoil. I would read all the NRA stories on how citizens stopped bad guys. A lot of examples had bad guys getting snuffed with .22’s.

.40s and .45s are nice but easy to handle, shot placement and reliability are important. I have an old Ruger 9 mm. Not pretty but as accurate as a Glock but not as accurante as a Beretta 92. Still the Ruger is reliable as rain and will never misfire even on crappy ammo. I do not use crappy ammo but the Ruger always works.

Make sure to stock up before the end of this month.


20 posted on 10/11/2008 8:01:50 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: Shooter 2.5

Is that a compact gun? I don’t want a sub-compact, I want something fairly small and concealed....


21 posted on 10/11/2008 8:02:21 PM PDT by eaglegso (She's a Hottie!)
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To: eaglegso

If youre worried about a safety, thats what the decocker on the top of the walther is for,


22 posted on 10/11/2008 8:02:52 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Some men just want to watch the world burn)
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To: Shaker_Cuda

The GLOCK 19 is the exact same size handgun as the 23, just different caliber. The GLOCK 30 is a bit bigger in the width area.


23 posted on 10/11/2008 8:03:30 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: eaglegso

I prefer the PPK in .380 or a poor-man’s equivalent (Bersa) over the Glock, but that’s just me. I would also prefer to carry a S&W 38 over the Glock. If you like the Glock, than go for it.


24 posted on 10/11/2008 8:03:45 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: eaglegso; KoRn

I’ve got the Glock 20 with which I am very happy. If you plan to do a lot of shooting, the ammo is a bit pricey, but the firepower is far superior.


25 posted on 10/11/2008 8:03:58 PM PDT by Hoodat (Obama's only connection to the descendants of American Slaves is that his muslim ancestors sold them)
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To: eaglegso

the P-9 Kahr is the much better CCW gun due to weight.


26 posted on 10/11/2008 8:04:15 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Some men just want to watch the world burn)
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To: eaglegso

“What do you think about the lack of a safety on the Glock? Is that an issue in your opinion?”

With a Gock, you are the safety. Keep your finger off the trigger unless you intend to fire. Same with a revolver.


27 posted on 10/11/2008 8:05:42 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Frantzie

I’m a guy, 5’7. It’s for carry. I tried it out today, and I really liked it! Not worried about kick at all, I can handle it!

I totally want to stock up before the end of this month!


28 posted on 10/11/2008 8:06:24 PM PDT by eaglegso (She's a Hottie!)
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To: eaglegso

I prefer the sig p229 .40


29 posted on 10/11/2008 8:07:01 PM PDT by trtdenver (Email ABCNEWS at once)
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To: Shooter 2.5

“A wise man[Cooper] said putting the safety on the trigger is like putting the combination to your safe just above the dial.”

That makes no sense.


30 posted on 10/11/2008 8:08:04 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: eaglegso
"Is the Glock 19 a great gun?"

You should be far more concerned about the ammunition than the firearm. Most all of the modern pistols from reputable manufactures are reliable enough for personal defense use.

But what happens after your first round hits the bad guy? Will he have enough life left to launch a projectile from his firearm into you, making the choice of your weapon a moot point?

A 40 S&W is the minimum auto pistol cartridge you should consider for serious purposes. A 357 Sig or 45 Auto are also good choices. A 45 Auto is excellent if you can handle the recoil.

A 357 Magnum revolver is an excellent choice. If the barrel on your revolver is too long, you might consider trading it for a shorter barreled version.

A good hollow point bullet, such as the SPEER Gold Dot, is mandatory to achieve the desired results.

31 posted on 10/11/2008 8:09:20 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: eaglegso

It is a good, reliable gun. There’s nothing wrong with the firearm. The 9mm leaves much to be desired in terms of ballistic performance, but there’s nothing wrong with the Glock - they’re simple, reliable, etc. I don’t know that they’re a great carry gun unless you’re a pretty good sized guy - one of the sub-compact Glocks might be a better choice.

You can change the trigger pull on the early Glocks to a heavier trigger - the early 19’s have about a 5# pull. If you want a heavier trigger, there’s an 8 or 9# trigger connector bar you can install.

If you do choose to use a 9mm, get the best performance ammo you can for defensive carry.

Personally, if you’re in the market for a new carry piece, I’d look towards the compact .45’s. Again, there’s nothing wrong with the Glock 19, but there are better tools for the job now.


32 posted on 10/11/2008 8:09:20 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: eaglegso

if sig p229 is too big...you should look at some HKs too.


33 posted on 10/11/2008 8:09:24 PM PDT by trtdenver (Email ABCNEWS at once)
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To: eaglegso

I would suggest the way things are shaping up to complete those gun purchases; especially handguns and semi-auto rifles before November 4. Suspect there will be a MAJOR run on the gun stores if Barry gets elected. They are already doing very well these past few months.

I have a Beretta 85 for carry License pendi and a classic Beretta 92 for home defense. I think the Glock 19 is a very good, reliable handgun, with decent stopping power using +P hollow point ammo.


34 posted on 10/11/2008 8:09:46 PM PDT by RonboTex (Go ahead... Make my day.)
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To: Kirkwood

So overall, it’s a good gun, in your opinion?

Nice stopping power?

I don’t care about the price or the ammunition, trust me, I’ll load up on it!


35 posted on 10/11/2008 8:10:29 PM PDT by eaglegso (She's a Hottie!)
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To: eaglegso

Yes, the 19 is a decent handgun — very light and extremely reliable. I never carried anything else, so I can’t really compare it to other weapons in terms of conceal/carry. I think the safety’s a little dangerous and yes, I’ve heard it’s not the best in terms of stopping power. Hollow points change that, though.


36 posted on 10/11/2008 8:11:37 PM PDT by Rocco DiPippo
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To: eaglegso

The G19 is a fine choice for personal defense firearm. You might want to check out a real firearms site such as www.glocktalk.com for real good info on GLOCKs.


37 posted on 10/11/2008 8:12:42 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: eaglegso

Contrary to above post, the G19 is not a full size gun. It is a compact. The G17 (original Glock) is the full size 9mm.

I own several Glocks, XDs, HKs, Sigs etc. In my opinion, the G19 the finest CCW gun made. 15 rounds of 9mm in a very concealable, slim package.

Springfield XDs are good guns but the trigger pull is awful and the trigger reset length is far too long. This can be cured by a trip to Springer Precision but I assume you’re looking for out of the box comparisons.

Get the G19, put a 3.5 lb transfer bar in to improve the trigger pull and make sure to get tritium night sights. This is all you need to do.

Do not waste money on lasers and such. Spend your money on practice rounds, training and learn to use your sights.

Lastly, don’t worry about caliber. 124 grain 9mm defensive rounds such as the Ranger and Gold Dot offer adequate stopping power should you do your part with decent shot placement.

Get the G19 and don’t look back.


38 posted on 10/11/2008 8:14:36 PM PDT by Radio_Silence
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To: eaglegso

I want something fairly small and concealed.

9mm isn’t known for its stopping power. The US military is going away from the 9mm for that reason.

As far as stopping power, if you can’t place your shots, even a 44 mag won’t stop anything.

If you can accurately shoot the PPK, stay with that, as it is easier to conceal than the Glock.


39 posted on 10/11/2008 8:15:16 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Rocco DiPippo

I want stopping power at this point! I don’t think the PPK will ever give me that!

Simple stopping power!

Thank you all....


40 posted on 10/11/2008 8:15:17 PM PDT by eaglegso (She's a Hottie!)
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To: eaglegso

http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?version=64

You want something fairly small but you don’t want a sub-compact?


41 posted on 10/11/2008 8:16:22 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: NVDave

“Personally, if you’re in the market for a new carry piece, I’d look towards the compact .45’s. “

Unfortunately, many will have a hard time getting usable shot placement with compacts in a .45 unless they spend a lot of time on the range perfecting their grip. I think a medium caliber weapon loaded with self defense rounds is the best all around gun for the most people. Easier to carry, easier to conceal, easier to control. For the minority who find that can reliably handle a small frame .45 under stress, then I have no problem recommending it.


42 posted on 10/11/2008 8:18:14 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Kirkwood

Exactly. That’s why I don’t buy Glocks. Besides, life’s too short to have an ugly gun.


43 posted on 10/11/2008 8:19:29 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: eaglegso

I carry a Desert Eagle Baby 9 and/or a Colt Pony, but anything Glock is good, they’re excellent pistols. And a heck of a lot easier to carry than that long barreled S&W. Just get used to the trigger safety.


44 posted on 10/11/2008 8:20:36 PM PDT by thatdewd (All that is necessary for the triumph of Evil is that good men do nothing.)
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To: eaglegso

“Simple stopping power!”

It isn’t that simple.


45 posted on 10/11/2008 8:21:09 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Shooter 2.5

And yet you post about the XD compacts...

They don’t make them any uglier than that. And yes, I have an XD-9 subcompact...


46 posted on 10/11/2008 8:21:28 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: eaglegso

Don’t worry about stopping power. A modern 9mm defensive round (Gold Dot, Ranger etc) will do the job.

Keep in mind that the US military cannot use rounds like these and that is why they want to move back to the 45. They are stuck with FMJ rounds which do not perform well - little to no expansion.


47 posted on 10/11/2008 8:23:34 PM PDT by Radio_Silence
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To: thatdewd

I guess I’ll be a proud owner of a G19 tomorrow!

Thank you all. I was always kinda leaning that way after today, but I just wanted a real honest opinion from some really good folk.

Trust me, I’ve done alot of research on this....


48 posted on 10/11/2008 8:24:30 PM PDT by eaglegso (She's a Hottie!)
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To: eaglegso

Excellent gun, you might consider a Glock 22 in .40 caliber
a bit heavier hitting..


49 posted on 10/11/2008 8:25:08 PM PDT by DarkStormCrow
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To: Double Tap

He wanted a Glock so I steered him to the new and improved models from an American Company.

I then said I don’t buy Glocks because of the two reasons I gave. I do have a really ugly gun but it has so much weirdness to it, I love it. It’s on my home page. You should be able to pick it out.


50 posted on 10/11/2008 8:26:22 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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