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Does Obama trip to Hawaii pass the sniff test?

Posted on 10/20/2008 9:23:37 PM PDT by PaleoConCowboy

Obama's excuse for a visit to grandma's house doesn't want to pass the sniff test...

Claim 1: Obama to visit sick grandmother

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7679508.stm

US Democrat presidential candidate Barack Obama is cancelling campaign events this week to visit his sick grandmother in Hawaii, an aide says.

Claim 2: Honolulu lawsuit filed to open Obama’s secret birth records

http://www.contrariancommentary.com/community/Home/tabid/36/mid/363/newsid363/283/Default.aspx

(HONOLULU, HI)(October 17, 2008) Obama nemesis and author Andy Martin filed suit in the First Circuit Court in Honolulu today seeking a court order to open Barack Obama’s secret birth records.

“One of Obama's most controversial and contentious issues that he has allowed to fester for years is the question of his birth certificate,” says Martin. "Obama has posted at least two versions, maybe more, of a 'certificate' on the Internet.

“I want to see a certified copy issued by the State of Hawaii, not one issued by the State of Obama. Why Obama won't allow direct access to his birth records is beyond me. But the closer we get to discovering the truth about Obama the more we understand why he is terrified of that truth.

“What is Obama hiding? Frankly, after being in Hawaii and conducting our first round of interviews, we think we have a clearer picture of what Obama is concealing, and why. We have more research and interviews to conduct before we can announce our opinions.

“In the meantime, I filed a lawsuit against the State of Hawaii to require the state to open Obama’s birth records. The Governor and Director of the Department of Health are named as defendants.

“The case has been docketed as number 08-1-2147-10 and assigned to Circuit Judge Bert Ayabe.


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1 posted on 10/20/2008 9:23:37 PM PDT by PaleoConCowboy
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To: PaleoConCowboy

No. It does not.


2 posted on 10/20/2008 9:24:38 PM PDT by dodger
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To: PaleoConCowboy

Answer: no.


3 posted on 10/20/2008 9:24:53 PM PDT by quesney
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To: PaleoConCowboy

Smells as good a 5 poung bag of old poi rotting in the sun.


4 posted on 10/20/2008 9:27:09 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: PaleoConCowboy

Watch who gets on da plane! da plane! If he takes his band of thugs and his “mystery man,” the ex-cop, well, he’s not going there to see his “typical white” sick grandmother.


5 posted on 10/20/2008 9:27:26 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("I'm just going to spread YOUR wealth around." - Barack HUSSEIN Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetoro)
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To: PaleoConCowboy
He is in quite a quandry. If Grandma dies, everyone will suspect an obamicide. If she doesn't, everyone will say Grandma was an excuse to deal with something else, like the birth certificate.

It might be genuine, but given his utter lack of previous concern about his white grandmother, I think he's up to something.

6 posted on 10/20/2008 9:27:54 PM PDT by Defiant (Obama lies over the ocean,Obama lies over the sea,Obama lies over the ocean.Obama bin Lyin' to me.)
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To: PaleoConCowboy

Where’s Part 1 of the report that was supposed to be released today?


7 posted on 10/20/2008 9:28:44 PM PDT by WackySam (The Constitution is not an a la carte menu.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
and his “mystery man,” the ex-cop

who is that?

8 posted on 10/20/2008 9:28:48 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: quesney

It occurs to me that a two day extravaganza of grief by a mourning Obama one week prior to the election may have done well in focus groups. Grandma may have to take one for the team.


9 posted on 10/20/2008 9:29:21 PM PDT by Defiant (Obama lies over the ocean,Obama lies over the sea,Obama lies over the ocean.Obama bin Lyin' to me.)
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To: PaleoConCowboy
Andy Martin in Hawaii
ANDY MARTIN IN HAWAII
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10 posted on 10/20/2008 9:30:15 PM PDT by ncfool (Obama stands for The New United Socialist Sta'te or "TNUSSA")
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To: PaleoConCowboy
WelcomeTo FreeRepublic!
11 posted on 10/20/2008 9:31:02 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR....Monthly Donors Wanted)
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To: PaleoConCowboy



12 posted on 10/20/2008 9:31:04 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Just Say NObama!)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
"Smells as good a 5 poung bag of old poi rotting in the sun."

There is another angle to this. Sympathy. I hate to be this jaded but I don't put anything past people with so much dangerous ambition.

13 posted on 10/20/2008 9:31:57 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: PaleoConCowboy

After seeing that Obama eliminated his competition in Illinois by disqualifying them on technicalities, and after hearing his campaign officials say about that, “We have to follow the law,” it would be sweet beyond measure to have it pulled on him. I hope the courts show no leeway to this closet revolutionary.

I can dream, can’t I?


14 posted on 10/20/2008 9:32:04 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: blackbart.223
THE HEAT IS ON!
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15 posted on 10/20/2008 9:32:54 PM PDT by ncfool (Obama stands for The New United Socialist Sta'te or "TNUSSA")
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To: PaleoConCowboy

Andy Martin vanity’s need a donation to freerepublic now.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2110419/posts


16 posted on 10/20/2008 9:33:09 PM PDT by fatima (Put your lipstick on girls and go vote.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

lots of newbies out tonite to get dirt on how mean spirited we are-don’t bait the trolls!


17 posted on 10/20/2008 9:33:30 PM PDT by hercuroc
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To: PaleoConCowboy
You're neglecting several important factors:

* Obama is a healer. He can heal the planet, heal the sick, and heal the divide which threatens this great nation.

* Obama is an expert in health care. There is nothing wrong with his grandmother which couldn't be fixed by a single-payer health care plan, like they have in Canada or Sweden.

* If anyone is going to smother grandma with a pillow, there should be no screw ups and no witnesses. This isn't something that you leave to an underling.
18 posted on 10/20/2008 9:33:33 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Obama's Grandmother will be just fine. Obama is an expert on health care.)
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To: hercuroc

I was just hoping they’d click my link!


19 posted on 10/20/2008 9:34:53 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR....Monthly Donors Wanted)
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To: blackbart.223
I hate to be this jaded but I don't put anything past people with so much dangerous ambition.

Do you mean to tell me that Hillary's tears were not real?

20 posted on 10/20/2008 9:35:39 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
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21 posted on 10/20/2008 9:35:46 PM PDT by ncfool (Obama stands for The New United Socialist Sta'te or "TNUSSA")
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To: PaleoConCowboy

bump


22 posted on 10/20/2008 9:36:53 PM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: MrChips

There was a story on here last night about Obama’s “mystery man”. I tried a search but it didn’t work out. Some ex-cop from Chicago.


23 posted on 10/20/2008 9:37:06 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("I'm just going to spread YOUR wealth around." - Barack HUSSEIN Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetoro)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
sorry I didn't mean you

just noticed a lot of 10/20's on the threads related to this topic

24 posted on 10/20/2008 9:37:47 PM PDT by hercuroc
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To: mlocher
"Do you mean to tell me that Hillary's tears were not real?"

A little tear gas will work wonders.

25 posted on 10/20/2008 9:38:08 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: PaleoConCowboy

I happen to believe that Obama was born about 3 BC and that his parents were Joseph and Mary. I think he had a twin. Aliens abducted him in the year 34 AD and then released him in 1996 in Illinois. That would explain why he know nothing of Ayers and why his past is so vague.


26 posted on 10/20/2008 9:38:57 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: XHogPilot

Now if you take a weeks vacation in August to visit Granny why did you only spend ONE HOUR at his GrandMa’ apartment. That is very strange or was he estranged from Granny?


Obama pays visit to grandmother in Makiki

After delivering a campaign speech, Sen. Barack Obama’s first stop on his Hawaii vacation was a visit to his grandmother’s Makiki apartment, where he also lived during his youth.

Obama — escorted by Secret Service and accompanied by a few campaign staff and a pool of reporters and camera crews — arrived at about 4:10 p.m. yesterday and spent an hour with his 85-year-old maternal grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, who helped raise him. He was not accompanied by his wife, Michelle, and two daughters.

Obama waved to a few residents and reporters as he got into the elevator at the Punahou-area apartment building.

One woman who lives in the building had two books authored by Obama in hand and watched as the elevator doors closed. She waited patiently outside the elevator.

“I just hope I can still get an autograph,” said the woman, who did not want to give her name.

Another resident and her two sons awaited the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee with two red and green leis, then later went up in the elevator.

“They probably let her go up and give the leis,” the woman with the books said. “She’s giving something. I want something.”

But a man identified as the building owner said the Secret Service did not allow her to present Obama with the leis. The woman with the books did not get Obama’s autograph, either.

Dunham, a retired Bank of Hawaii vice president, still lives in the same apartment where she and her husband helped raise Obama, who attended nearby Punahou School.

Obama’s half sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, is his only other living relative left in Hawaii.

Obama’s arrival at his grandmother’s apartment was kept fairly low key with a few Secret Service and two blue-and-white police cars escorting him.

But a police helicopter circled the area prior to the Illinois senator’s arrival.

A Secret Service agent, who arrived in advance, tried to shoo away local media, saying he was not making a stop there.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2008/08/09/news/story04.html

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2008/08/09/news/story04.html


27 posted on 10/20/2008 9:39:21 PM PDT by ncfool (Obama stands for The New United Socialist Sta'te or "TNUSSA")
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To: PaleoConCowboy

What is wrong with the “typical white lady” that he has to go see her?


28 posted on 10/20/2008 9:40:07 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (My Freedom of speech trumps your feelings!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The Mystery Man thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2109864/posts


29 posted on 10/20/2008 9:41:00 PM PDT by conservative cat (I am voting for Sarah and against Obama.)
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30 posted on 10/20/2008 9:41:44 PM PDT by ncfool (Obama stands for The New United Socialist Sta'te or "TNUSSA")
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To: PaleoConCowboy

It sounds as good as “I’m suspending my campaign to go back to Washington and work on the bailout.”


31 posted on 10/20/2008 9:42:32 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: conservative cat; MrChips

Thanks cat!


32 posted on 10/20/2008 9:43:02 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("I'm just going to spread YOUR wealth around." - Barack HUSSEIN Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetoro)
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To: hercuroc

Well aware, FRiend.

No harm...


33 posted on 10/20/2008 9:43:18 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR....Monthly Donors Wanted)
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To: Defiant
It occurs to me that a two day extravaganza of grief by a mourning Obama one week prior to the election may have done well in focus groups. Grandma may have to take one for the team.

I agree. It's either the birth certificate issue or a play for sympathy 2 weeks before election day ("McCain is attacking poor Barack while he's visiting his sick grandma").

I just don't trust the guy (nor any democRAT these days)... he's up to something...

34 posted on 10/20/2008 9:43:56 PM PDT by nutmeg (Sarah Palin/Joe the Plumber 2008)
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To: PaleoConCowboy

wierd stuff... very wierd stuff... chills


35 posted on 10/20/2008 9:46:35 PM PDT by Porterville (Grammar Nazis- Hands off my mistakes!!!)
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To: nutmeg
"I just don't trust the guy (nor any democRAT these days)... he's up to something..."

That is the first thing that hit my mind when I heard about it.

36 posted on 10/20/2008 9:47:18 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Defiant

“Grandma may have to take one for the team.”

You are funny! LOL!


37 posted on 10/20/2008 9:47:48 PM PDT by Melian
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To: nutmeg

Yes. It is a PR stunt.

He knows Wright is coming back, along with Cone and Black Liberation Theology. It is all so he can divert saying how can I hate my white granny, and MSM can feign outrage at McCain saying mean things when the granny is about to die.

I knew there was going to be some scheme to wriggle out of Wright and Cone. This is it.

I say hit him hard and be relentless, and make it clear that anyone who gives a pass or excuses Obama for his 20 years of Black Liberation Theology
is supporting those repulsive divisive, anti-American and anti-white Church beliefs.


38 posted on 10/20/2008 9:48:15 PM PDT by igoramus08
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To: Melian
What is Andy Martin up to in Hawaii and why was he in court today filing a lawsuit to get Obama's Birth Certificate?
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39 posted on 10/20/2008 9:49:10 PM PDT by ncfool (Obama stands for The New United Socialist Sta'te or "TNUSSA")
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To: igoramus08
"Yes. It is a PR stunt."

If it wasn't why is he waiting till thursday to go see her?

40 posted on 10/20/2008 9:50:20 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: blackbart.223
Another FR thread, states that inaction by Obama's attorneys, has (legally) led to an "admission" that Berg's allegations (no birth certificate, born in Kenya) are true.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2110898/posts

41 posted on 10/20/2008 9:52:10 PM PDT by research99
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To: Question Liberal Authority
If anyone is going to smother grandma with a pillow, there should be no screw ups and no witnesses. This isn't something that you leave to an underling.

Now, now. It is entirely possible that smothering granny with a pillow isn't the only reason he's gone to Hawaii.

42 posted on 10/20/2008 9:52:21 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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43 posted on 10/20/2008 9:53:47 PM PDT by ncfool (Obama stands for The New United Socialist Sta'te or "TNUSSA")
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To: ncfool; MinuteGal
Regarding your post #27: That is really strange. B. Hussein Obama flies all the way to Hawaii, yet only spends an HOUR with his grandmother, the woman who raised him and sacrificed so much for him. Leaves Michelle and the kids at a hotel. Couldn't spend a couple of minutes accepting a gift (the leis) and signing a couple of autographs for some well-meaning neighbors of his grandma's.

VERY strange...

44 posted on 10/20/2008 9:53:56 PM PDT by nutmeg (Sarah Palin/Joe the Plumber 2008)
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To: Billthedrill
Now, now. It is entirely possible that smothering granny with a pillow isn't the only reason he's gone to Hawaii.

I agree. Maybe granny has the original Kenya Birth Certificate and The big o wants to get it before someone else does.

45 posted on 10/20/2008 9:55:26 PM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: PaleoConCowboy
If Osama HUSSEIN Obama told me the sky was blue and water was wet I'd have to check for myself....don't trust anything about the man or his party.
46 posted on 10/20/2008 9:55:58 PM PDT by RasterMaster (DUmocrats - the party of slavery, sedition, subversion, socialism & surrender)
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To: research99
"Another FR thread, states that inaction by Obama's attorneys, has (legally) led to an "admission" that Berg's allegations (no birth certificate, born in Kenya) are true."

This may be killing two birds with one stone. Watch the sympathy angle. McCain and Palin are beating up on the poor man while grandma is sick.

47 posted on 10/20/2008 9:56:12 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: research99

Berg: “Obama & DNC Admit all Allegations”

According to Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, a party upon whom requests for admissions have been served must respond, within 30 days, or else the matters in the requests will be automatically deemed conclusively admitted for purposes of the pending action.

On September 15, Philip Berg served Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee with a request for admissions. Barack Obama and the DNC acknowledged service in their motion for protective order, filed on October 6 in an attempt to persuade the court to stay discovery. The Federal Rules require that a response be filed within the 30-day time limit, and Barack Obama and the DNC have not. Therefore, this morning, Philip Berg will file two motions:

* A motion requesting an immediate order deeming his request for admissions served upon Barack Obama and the DNC on September 15 admitted, and

* A motion requesting an expedited ruling and/or hearing on Berg’s motion deeming the request for admissions served upon Obama and the DNC admitted.

Berg contends that the failure to respond and serve the response within the time limit is “damning,” and made two appearances overnight on Rollye James’ talk radio program, the second one coming shortly after midnight, during which he disclosed the meat of today’s filings and the ramifications the defendants’ failure to respond may have.

“They did not file answers or objections or anything else to the request for admissions we served upon them on September 15,” Berg said to me shortly before midnight, noting that Obama and the DNC did in fact acknowledge service of the admission in their motion for protective order. “They knew the admissions were due. They knew they must object or answer specifically in 30 days. Here, they did nothing.”

Typically, requests can be used to ascertain three types of information: (1) the veracity of facts, (2) the authenticity of documents, or (3) the “application of law to fact.” Pretty much anything not privileged is fair game, and while the idea behind such a request is to obtain information, requests for admissions of facts and of the genuine nature of documents are generally not designed as a part of discovery, per se, but rather more of a mechanism used to whittle down proof later in the proceedings.

Unless permitted by the court or allowed pursuant to a written agreement between the parties, the party served with the request must serve a response within 30 days. How serious is a failure to respond? This, from PreTrial, by Thomas A. Mauet:

The automatic provision of Rule 36 makes it a formidable weapon because inertia or inattentiveness can have an automatic, and usually devastating, consequence. Hence, there is one cardinal rule for practice under this provision: Make sure you respond and serve the response within the 30-day period.

Just what were some of the admissions that Berg asserts Barack Obama and the DNC have, at least procedurally, admitted to?

* Admit you were born in Kenya.
* Admit you are a Kenya “natural born” citizen.
* Admit your foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.
* Admit your father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr., admitted Paternity of you.
* Admit your mother gave birth to you in Mombosa, Kenya.
* Admit your mother’s maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.
* Admit the COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website “Fightthesmears.com” is a forgery.
* Admit you were adopted by a Foreign Citizen.
* Admit you were adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.
* Admit you were not born in Hawaii.
* Admit you are a citizen of Indonesia.
* Admit you never took the “Oath of Allegiance” to regain your U.S. Citizenship status.
* Admit you are not a “natural born” United States citizen.
* Admit your senior campaign staff is aware you are not a “natural born” United States Citizen.
* Admit the United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.
* Admit you are ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States.

Quite obviously, this is developing....

Posted to America’s Right by Jeff Schreiber


48 posted on 10/20/2008 9:57:41 PM PDT by ncfool (Obama stands for The New United Socialist Sta'te or "TNUSSA")
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To: PaleoConCowboy
Berg: "Obama & DNC Admit all Allegations"
http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/berg-obama-dnc-admit-all-allegations.html

According to Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, a party upon whom requests for admissions have been served must respond, within 30 days, or else the matters in the requests will be automatically deemed conclusively admitted for purposes of the pending action.

SNIP: Just what were some of the admissions that Berg asserts Barack Obama and the DNC have, at least procedurally, admitted to?

* Admit you were born in Kenya.
* Admit you are a Kenya “natural born” citizen.
* Admit your foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.
* Admit your father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr., admitted Paternity of you.
* Admit your mother gave birth to you in Mombosa, Kenya.
* Admit your mother’s maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.
* Admit the COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website “Fightthesmears.com” is a forgery.
* Admit you were adopted by a Foreign Citizen.
* Admit you were adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.
* Admit you were not born in Hawaii.
* Admit you are a citizen of Indonesia.
* Admit you never took the “Oath of Allegiance” to regain your U.S. Citizenship status.
* Admit you are not a “natural born” United States citizen.
* Admit your senior campaign staff is aware you are not a “natural born” United States Citizen.
* Admit the United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.
* Admit you are ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2110898/posts

49 posted on 10/20/2008 9:57:53 PM PDT by A_Niceguy_in_CA (McCain/Palin - Maverick Reformers)
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To: igoramus08
Good grief... who is "Cone"? (I know all about Wright and Black Liberation Theology)

I can't keep all these Obama thugs straight...

50 posted on 10/20/2008 9:58:47 PM PDT by nutmeg (Sarah Palin/Joe the Plumber 2008)
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