Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article


1 posted on 11/05/2008 10:26:38 PM PST by Oye Gente
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: Oye Gente

It just wasn’t a good year for Republicans, for many reasons.

There will be better years ahead, you’ll just have to be patient.

Political fortunes come and go....


2 posted on 11/05/2008 10:31:29 PM PST by period end of story
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oye Gente

Everyone has been having their own vanity and I’m guilty myself! How sad you escaped from a communist country and now the United States is going communist. And Bush and the Republicans did lose their way. I think there are just those weaklings who couldn’t deal with the media hate spewed daily and were trying to fight the stereotype how Republicans are ‘for the rich’ and got lost with the spending. Bush has been a complete weakling in explaining a lot of things and fighting back. He has not been all bad(judges, tax cuts, taking the war to the terrorists), but he certainly betrayed a lot of conservatives with the spending, push for amnesty. I have to give Bush credit though because the economy and everything just went completely downhill when the Demonrat Congress took over in 2006. Bush had early on pushed for more sources of domestic energy, drilling in ANWR and, of course, with the handful of RINOS and the barely there ‘majority’ that shared power in the Senate would kill a lot of these things and the hit to the economy happened when gas prices took off and then hit with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and that goes back to Clintoon and a policy of bad loans favored by Demonrats and their precious ACORN and yet it was all Bush’s fault. So he’s been unjustifiably hit even though he himself proposed doing something about the bad loans. I can’t believe McCain didn’t make an issue of the Demonrat involvement in the whole mess and that is really why he lost-he wouldn’t name names and they blamed Republicans! Republicans have always been spineless when it comes to hitting back and setting things straight. Now they are dead really because the Demonrats have a permanent majority and this country will pay dearly for it.


3 posted on 11/05/2008 10:38:27 PM PST by bushfamfan (United States of America: July 4, 1776-November 4, 2008)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oye Gente
You feel betrayed because you were--by the same idiots who are now throwing Sarah Palin into the trash compactor.

See if the GOP gets my vote again anytime soon!

4 posted on 11/05/2008 10:39:14 PM PST by Scothia ( When something important is going on, silence is a lie.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oye Gente

We lost because our candidate wasn’t really a Republican.

He was, and still is, the chief RINO right behind Rudy!


6 posted on 11/05/2008 10:41:27 PM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oye Gente

In reality things are not that bad. Its just simply our media is so biased that Republicans get no traction at all on any issue. Bush made his share of mistakes but he never ever gets credit. During the 2006 elections, they ignored how good the economy was and went after us on immigration and the Iraq war. During the 2007-2008 elections, they ignored the improving conditions in Iraq and the success of the surge and went after other things.

They let Republicans take the blame for the crisis when Democrats had a larger share of the blame.

Republicans always have a tough time from our liberal press. Reagan got around it because he was the great communicator. Bush wasted it. That’s the short story.


8 posted on 11/05/2008 10:44:01 PM PST by DiogenesLaertius ( End McCain-Feingold. NOW.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oye Gente

“Our values and our party have been mostly rejected here and around the world.”

We blew it because our own party rejected our values. I would venture to guess that not many in this forum have been proud of how the republicans we helped elect have represented us and our values over the past eight years. Even when it came to McCain, most of us held our noses with one hand as we tried to help him with the other. He was the least of two bad choices.

So now it’s Obama’s turn. For the sake of our country, I wish him well and hope he does good for the country. If he doesn’t he’ll be the one facing the music in a couple of years. It’s one thing to sit on the sideline and criticize, it’s another to actually have to solve truly tough problems. The euphoria will soon die out and he’ll then be in the grip of cold reality. It won’t be long before we see what he’s made of.

In the meantime don’t despair - let’s use the time on the sideline to reflect on what we did wrong and learn from it and be ready when the opportunity comes up again in a couple of years.


11 posted on 11/05/2008 10:45:12 PM PST by aquila48
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oye Gente
Why did we lose so badly last night?

Next question...?

12 posted on 11/05/2008 10:45:27 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oye Gente

The fight’s not over. The fight is really just getting good.

One thing about a defeat; you find out who your friends are, and you find out who the weak links are.

And since you already lost, you stop worrying about losing and you focus on principle, and you start taking back the ground you lost step by step. When you are winning you pick up a lot of people who want to be on the winning side, who don’t necessarily share your vision. And to hold your coalition together you start to soft-pedal and downplay your basic beliefs. When you’ve already lost, the hangers-on are gone and you’ve nothing left except your loyalists and the principles that drive us all.

Winning is better than losing. But getting back into the fight after a pounding has a certain noble beauty about it. And, hey, what else is there to do? You get up, shake yourself off, and make like it doesn’t hurt.


13 posted on 11/05/2008 10:45:58 PM PST by marron
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oye Gente

Many of us feel the same way. The RNC, republican leaders, and even the President, whom I had such high expectations for; strayed from conservative principles that have shown throughout history; with the right leadership are the most effective principle to live/work/and govern by. Smaller government, lower taxes, strong national defense,etc..Rather the hold true to these core beliefs many drift and start to compromise on the core principles. My opinion is this, when we start to compromise our values for the sake of getting things done, we make those values less meaningful. John McCain spent the whole campaign telling us, bragging to us, how he reached across the aisle to work with Democrats. I take it as a sellout, where are all the outstretched Democratic hands? It’s always us; and overtime its looked at as a weakness, not a strength. So,over the last several years we have “reached out” where are we now? Once again the minority.
It’s time to clean house, get involved at the local level, start backing candidates who will not waiver and are true to our core beliefs. Not easy, but certainly worth our effort. The Democrats have figured this out and they play to win. They are relentless, and for that I have to give them credit. We must all take on this effort and gain back our country.


14 posted on 11/05/2008 10:47:21 PM PST by Billy Bud (Conservative Principles)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oye Gente
PicAttic.com

Vanity Death Spiral

17 posted on 11/05/2008 10:52:51 PM PST by unsycophant
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oye Gente
Everyone is hitting right on target. All good points. We have to become engaged, we have to ensure good candidates are elected, we have to become active for our cause, or we may not recognize this country when Moe, Larry, and Curly get done performing all their social engineering. The moderates, RINO’s, you all know them, have to be cleaned out. They do nothing to help us grow our principles and values. They sellout/compromise to use their term; and we are seen as weak, and between the DEMS and MSM its spun and we look foolish to the voting public. Look at the polling data; we stand for nothing...that's pretty bad.
21 posted on 11/05/2008 10:58:29 PM PST by Billy Bud (Conservative Principles)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oye Gente
I feel betrayed by an Electorate that has no comprehension of freedom. They are so willing to hand over their lives to a Leftist Party with aspirations of creating a Socialist Utopia on the backs of the successful among us.

It seems that my fellow Americans cannot grasp the concept of less Government intrusion in their lives. To them, the Constitution is an illusion that has to be explained by their Government Masters.

We as a people have become accustomed to blaming all of life's disappointments and hardships on others. The era of personal responsibility has passed, and with it our proud heritage.

Principles be damned when you can get something for nothing, even if it requires the sacrifice of another.

I fear the fabric of our Republic is damaged beyond repair.

25 posted on 11/05/2008 11:03:40 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two wolves and one sheep deciding what's for dinner.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oye Gente

Relax Oye.......the pendulum swings both ways:

Eisenhower....................8 years
Kennedy/Johnson...........8 years
Nixon/Ford....................8 years
Carter............................4 years
Reagan/Bush..................12 years
Clinton...........................8 years
Bush..............................8 years
Obama.....................???

You’re gonna see the GOP rise and fall again in your lifetime.


27 posted on 11/05/2008 11:07:19 PM PST by JoeDetweiler
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oye Gente
I know that Republican values, small government, ... and personal responsibility are the way to go

Ah! There's your mistake. Eight years of Dubya have clearly revealed that those aren't Republican values.

36 posted on 11/05/2008 11:39:12 PM PST by Rum Tum Tugger
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oye Gente
Not all people in the GOP are conservative. There are moderates, there are the blue-blood Rockefeller Republican types.

The conservatives have not had any one to consistently and coherently explain the conservative principals on the national stage well enough to cut through the main stream media fog.

Bush ran as a conservative, but in many ways did not apply conservative principles. The media began a negative propaganda campaign against him starting the day he declared himself a candidate.

Many people believe that Bush's policies led to the financial meltdown. This was loudly proclaimed by Pelosi and Reid.It should have been refuted immediately. No one ever successfully countered this.

The younger people have never had to live through the 1970’s and the Carter Administration, so they are ignorant of the damage liberal policies can do.

If the Congress follows the course that Pelosi has been talking about and tries to confiscate 401k’s etc. there will be a big case of buyers remorse. I believe we can then make headway regaining control of congress.

39 posted on 11/05/2008 11:47:12 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oye Gente

shite, it’s been this way for years

it doesn’t matter...too many lefties now

probably gonna be that way while

we have to recapture the white vote


41 posted on 11/05/2008 11:51:02 PM PST by wardaddy (I'm looking for a new Danelaw to move my family to...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oye Gente

You state that, “...Our values and our party have been mostly rejected here and around the world.” Actually, the “stereotyped and distorted cartoon of our values and party as portrayed in the foreign (socialist European especially)” media have been rejected. The lies about us were designed for rejection. The truth about us is largely unknown both in and outside the US. Real people, on the other hand, look to the US for opportunity and come here to achieve. The world, and nearly all Americans including the hard left, love and depend on our value system. Otherwise, they would not be able to speak and act as they do. Those who reject those values are nearly always liars or fools.

The world hates us because the world has been taught to hate us and has been shielded from the truth. I understand the world hates us because of the war. However, the world shared with us the intelligence information that encouraged the war. The Dem party acts as though its members were anti-war but actually they supported it—only a grand effort to hide the truth enables this fact to be unfamiliar with the world and forgotten by many in the US.

The new administration could round up citizens and gas them but the world and US media will largely make them out to be wonderful. Count on it.


48 posted on 11/06/2008 7:48:54 AM PST by iacovatx (If you must lie to recruit to your cause, you are fighting for the wrong side.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oye Gente

Lets get off the self-pity crap and start figuring out how to pay these bastards back for the last 8 years!

Plus - we are going to be prepared to send millions of us to rallies in DC if this stuff starts really getting bad like take our guns and free speech.


53 posted on 11/06/2008 7:14:38 PM PST by FTL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson