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To: Obushma

Welcome to FR. You’ve put a lot of thoughts into your first post, so maybe we’ll forgive the vanity, lol.

The trouble with your proposals is that you’re shedding core issues left and right, and only holding on to the social conservative concerns. Don’t get me wrong, social issues are important to me, personally, and to a large segment of the “base,” but nationally, that won’t get very far. It’s tantamount to turning into an Americanized “Christian Democrats.” We have a coalition, of business, of small government advocates, of defense hawks and of religious people. Remove too many of those blocs, and you don’t have the numbers to win national elections.


20 posted on 11/09/2008 5:54:00 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

AGREED!


47 posted on 11/09/2008 6:22:39 PM PST by kitkat (THE DAY WE LOSE OUR WILL TO FIGHT IS THE DAY WE LOSE OUR FREEDOM.)
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To: RegulatorCountry; Obushma
The trouble with your proposals is that you’re shedding core issues left and right, and only holding on to the social conservative concerns

Heresy alert: I thinks Romney got it right. The three issues are: strong military, strong economy, strong family. Get those right and you don't need Big Givernment. Everything, including social concerns, will fall into place.

The Gods of the Copybook Headings

AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!
Rudyard Kipling


51 posted on 11/09/2008 6:41:49 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (you don't need Big Givernment - Misprint by Oztrich Boy)
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To: RegulatorCountry
We have a coalition, of business, of small government advocates, of defense hawks and of religious people. Remove too many of those blocs, and you don’t have the numbers to win national elections.

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like we currently have the numbers to win national elections even with all those blocs. Sooner or later, we're gonna have to think about modifying our approach somehow, and since the social aspect of conservatism seemed to be about the only aspect that had a winning night last Tuesday, I highly recommend that we don't go all David Frum.

63 posted on 11/09/2008 7:21:05 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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