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To: Sherman Logan

“Unfortunately, it wasn’t the final phase.

Without WWII, German Jews would probably have been expelled rather than murdered. (Most of them, anyway.)

Once the War started, that wasn’t really an option, especially since many millions of additional Jews came under their control. There wasn’t really anyplace at the time that would have taken 10M+ Jews.

So they went with Plan B.”

LOL! It’s nice to know that the silly revisionist notions of “historians” like David Irving and the crowd of kooks at the even sillier “Institute for Historial Review” are still alive and well!

Jewish extermination was always the intention of the Nazis, even before the war began. That’s clearly stated by many academics in the universities at the time the National Socialists took power. The notion that “they tried to expel the Jews but it didn’t work out so they were left with no other alternative but to murder them” is BS straight out of the revisionist playbook.

Oh, and just a small detail: war didn’t simply “start”; Germany started it. Nazi Germany invaded Poland on 9/1/39. A few weeks later, Soviet Russia invaded Poland, all under a “secret protocol” agreed to by Hitler and Stalin.


12 posted on 11/27/2008 7:44:22 AM PST by GoodDay (Palin for POTUS 2012)
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To: GoodDay

Not revisionist history.

Just the facts. Also no excuse for their actions.

Mass murder was part of his plan from the beginning. That is, of course, why he waited till December 12, 1941 to order the extermination.

http://www.adolfhitler.dk/new_page_8.htm

Note the date. He declared war on the US the day before. He was now in a total war against most of the world. Deportation was no longer an option.

I believe this theory has been in good standing for a long time. It’s not revisionist. The idea that Hitler intended from the beginning to kill every Jew requires believing he was willing to wait 8 years to put his dominant obsession into full effect. This is not logical.

Please note I’m no fan of Hitler, and I don’t believe he had any qualms at all about mass murder. But some of the things claimed about him just aren’t true.

For instance, he didn’t really want to conquer the entire world. He wanted Poland and western Russia, probably to the Urals. Had the western Allies been willing to give him this, he would have been glad to let them be. At least in the short run.

Even after his conquest of western Europe, he was anxious to reach a peace with Britain. There is some evidence that this is why the Brits were allowed to escape at Dunkirk.

The British Empire would rule the colored races overseas, and Germany would keep them down in Europe. Aryans of the world unite!


16 posted on 11/27/2008 8:06:15 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: GoodDay

BTW, you are right that Germany started the war, in alliance with USSR, when he invaded Poland. However, had the western Allies allowed him to take Poland, the invasion would not have precipitated World War. Probably would have happened sometime, but not then.

Not that I think the Allies were wrong to fight back. They were just much too late deciding to do so.

Similarly, there would have been no Gulf War had we allowed Saddam to keep Kuwait. And no Pearl Harbor had we not resisted Japanese aggression in the Pacific and SE Asia.


17 posted on 11/27/2008 8:10:28 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: GoodDay
"LOL! It’s nice to know that the silly revisionist notions of “historians” like David Irving and the crowd of kooks at the even sillier “Institute for Historial Review” are still alive and well!"

I hate to tell you where some of this cr*p is coming from these days. I have the book right hear, and I've read it all. And some of it is even pretty interesting. But his core ideas are just as dead wrong as can be:

Buchanan: The Unnecessary War

21 posted on 11/30/2008 2:59:40 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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