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Nick Saban on news from Auburn: "I guess we're 5-7 away from the same thing."
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Posted on 12/03/2008 7:40:50 PM PST by indcons

Alabama coach Nick Saban responded angrily to today's news that Tommy Tuberville is out at Auburn after 10 years.

Tuberville makes four head coaches to lose to Saban this season and not retain their jobs, joining Clemson's Tommy Bowden, Tennessee's Phillip Fulmer and Mississippi State's Sylvester Croom.

Here was Saban's unprompted statement ...

"There have been several coaches that have been let go in our league that have a pretty good body of work behind them. They've been really good coaches. They've been really good for the game. They've been good for a lot of players, and they've had very, very good programs. I've talked about Phillip. I've never really ever talked about Sly - Sylvester - and Tommy (Tuberville). Those guys are really good coaches. They've done a good job for a long time. They've got a tremendous body of work.

"I really question some of the judgment relative to how it is for our game that people who have those kind of relationships and have done that kind of job and affected so many people in a positive way - and have had a reasonable amount of success relative to their circumstances - would not be given more respect and consideration than what these guys have been.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.al.com ...


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: auburn; bama; collegefootball; saban; tommytuberville; tuberville
Coach Saban's outrage makes sense.

Auburn University's successful coach is shown the door after posting the program's first losing season in a while. Tuberville leaves with an 85-40 record, an undefeated season in 2004, and a resume that would make him attractive to any school in America.

I'm afraid that the all-powerful trustees have disgraced themselves (for the second time in 5 years), shot themselves and the program in the head, and may be relegating the program to second-tier status for a while to come.

I hope I'm mistaken.

1 posted on 12/03/2008 7:40:50 PM PST by indcons
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To: GOP_Raider

ping


2 posted on 12/03/2008 7:41:28 PM PST by indcons (An eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth.)
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To: indcons

The NCAA has become the NFL. Amazing that blob of goo has Notre Dame by the balls.


3 posted on 12/03/2008 7:42:39 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (Forget the 3AM phone call. Obama can not even answer the phone at 3PM.)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore); aft_lizard; Archie Bunker on steroids; Auntbee; Bad~Rodeo; Bat_Chemist; ...
The FR College Football Ping List
FReepmail GOP_Raider to be on or off this list

4 posted on 12/03/2008 7:45:11 PM PST by GOP_Raider (Have you risen above your own public education today?)
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To: indcons

A lot of good coaches get a raw deal when their teams don’t produce. That is sad, yet I have a hard time feeling sorry for the coaches. Most of them made a lot of money and get a pretty decent severence package. They knew what they were getting into. They chose to make a large sum of money instead of going for job security.


5 posted on 12/03/2008 7:45:22 PM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: indcons

I really question Saban’s judgement...just ask the folks in MIA.


6 posted on 12/03/2008 7:51:10 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: mlocher

I think Saban’s concern is for more than the coaches. What about the players? But he has his own program jumping that makes it hard for me to believe he’s all about commitment to players and schools. I think on the one hand Saban is very Pollyannaish—when he’s looking out at the world. He’s also a Scorpio and volatile and prone to action without considering all of the ramifications. I think he’s a great coach anyway. Roll Tide! I hope he doesn’t become all cynical about school’s fickleness and quit after he wins the National Championship in January . . .

:-)


7 posted on 12/03/2008 7:55:39 PM PST by petitfour
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To: stainlessbanner

Saban did the right thing when he left Miami. His heart wasn’t in it. I bet Miami is happy he left.


8 posted on 12/03/2008 7:58:03 PM PST by petitfour
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To: petitfour
Nicky got worked in the big leagues. Now they have the Cowboys-East staff down there working things out.

Saban's prob shocked Tubb stayed with one program for that long

9 posted on 12/03/2008 8:01:36 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: petitfour

They’re going to have a heck of a time winning the National Championship after losing to the Gators on Saturday. :)


10 posted on 12/03/2008 8:10:21 PM PST by aynrandfreak (Being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry)
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To: petitfour

Yes I too didn’t think Saban had his heart in it when he was with the Canes but his body of work is pretty good wining it all with LSU and now within eyesight of a second title with Alabama. The Alabama/Florida will be one hell of a game.


11 posted on 12/03/2008 8:10:55 PM PST by skimask (Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: indcons
Tuberville leaves with an 85-40 record, an undefeated season in 2004, and a resume that would make him attractive to any school in America.

Then he shouldn't have trouble finding a new job. These big-school programs pay their coaches millions of dollars to produce, I guess they feel he didn't earn it this year.

12 posted on 12/03/2008 8:11:28 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: aynrandfreak

Don’t matter if they do lose to the Gators. They will still count it as another one of their National Championships. I think they claim 147 of them so far.


13 posted on 12/03/2008 8:20:08 PM PST by Radl (rtr)
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To: indcons
...have had a reasonable amount of success relative to their circumstances...

Translation: "Tubby has done a fair job considering the cow college he's been stuck at."

14 posted on 12/03/2008 8:21:57 PM PST by Onelifetogive (I'm gonna drop talk radio in favor of some audio books. Gotta lower my blood pressure.)
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To: petitfour

Alabama will lose to the Gators who will also beat OU for the national champ.


15 posted on 12/03/2008 8:22:00 PM PST by isaac32
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To: skimask

Saban was with the Dolphins.


16 posted on 12/03/2008 8:28:54 PM PST by petitfour
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To: mlocher

The really sad thing is how this attitude is growing on the high school level. Your not “only as good as your last win” anymore, your only as good as your next one.


17 posted on 12/03/2008 8:31:00 PM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks.)
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To: petitfour
I think Saban’s concern is for more than the coaches. What about the players?

You raise an excellent point about the players. College football is professional football for everyone involved, except the players. (OK, they get an education out of the deal.)

I watched Saban turn around an MSU program and he is a great coach. I was sad to see him leave, but the money was better elsewhere. His complaints concerning Tubberville do ring hollow.

18 posted on 12/03/2008 8:32:17 PM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: fungoking
It is really sad to see it filter down to the high school level. Major colleges, of course, feed this attitude. Some coaches teach the high school coaches how to play "their" offense so the recruits have a leg up. There are other ways it happens too.

Not that I think people should not pursue excellence -- they should -- but at some level the game needs to be about fun and learning life's lessons as well.

19 posted on 12/03/2008 8:35:10 PM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: mlocher

The problem with coaches like Saban is that at the first sign of trouble, off he goes to the next big payday.

Good luck on Saturday, Nick. You’re going to need it to beat the best team in the country.

BTW, on AMC now, one fine American movie-Heartbreak Ridge.


20 posted on 12/03/2008 8:53:15 PM PST by cleveland gop (Brett Farve, Drew Brees and maybe Kurt Warner will be NFL MVP!!! Any questions?? I didn't think so.)
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To: indcons
Saban said something right here. Kudos to him.

I do have to say the man is a hypocrite judging form his past actions with other programs. He has left program after program for the thinnest of reasons, obviously chasing bigger and bigger bucks while the kids he recruited were left burned and shivved.

The man has no loyalty to anything other than bigger bucks. Good luck Bama fans, I hope he's better to you than his past three gigs. Based on his history, he'll chase the first bigger opportunity that comes his way.

Too bad his past actions speak louder than his words today, because what he said was right.

21 posted on 12/03/2008 9:04:20 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: My Favorite Headache

“The NCAA has become the NFL.”

Then it’s time to treat it as a pro league, and tax it, and demand salaries for players. Because if this is how we’re going to do things... fire coaches at the drop of a hat... then you can’t call this amateur athletics anymore, and what the players are doing is essentially a work-study program. Other students get paid for work-study.

We need to decide if college football is about character, sportsmanship, and amateur athletics, or if it’s a professional, profit-making enterprise.


22 posted on 12/03/2008 10:26:17 PM PST by DesScorp
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To: DesScorp

One of my all-time favorite movies is a 1953 John Wayne movie called, ‘Trouble Along the Way’ in which Big John plays a college football coach. Outstanding movie.


23 posted on 12/03/2008 10:48:08 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: indcons

He surely pissed off some of his own when he said this, but who can argue the point? Tuberville’s bad season came after ten good ones.


24 posted on 12/04/2008 4:48:52 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: Radl
"They will still count it as another one of their National Championships. I think they claim 147 of them so far."

Wrong school. It was Tuberville and the Auburn Tigers that made up a 'People's Championship' the year they were undefeated. I think Alabama has 12.

Re: Tuberville's leaving. I really was surprised they let him go this year. I was thinking he'd have one more year to get things back on track. It's been a rough year for SEC coaches!

25 posted on 12/04/2008 6:14:37 AM PST by sweet_diane (36-0 'nuff said, aight? Time to STOMP the chomp! Roll TIDE ROLL)
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To: OKSooner
"He surely pissed off some of his own when he said this, but who can argue the point? "

Anyone po'ed isn't a real fan of college football. There is a heavy dose of 'Saban Derangment Syndrome (SDS)' out there, yet even the Auburn fans I've heard from, in the short time since this announcement, appreciated Saban's words. Additionally, the Alabama fans I've heard from since are in agreement as well.

I wish the Auburn Nation the best of luck in finding the right guy for their program. It was right at 2 yrs ago Alabama found ourselves in a very similar situation, yet we'd gone thur a laundry list of 'the WRONG guys'. I look forward to playing in a healthy and well balanced SEC!

Those of you suffering from SDS, talk to me in 5 years. lol

26 posted on 12/04/2008 6:24:59 AM PST by sweet_diane (36-0 'nuff said, aight? Time to STOMP the chomp! Roll TIDE ROLL)
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To: My Favorite Headache

As was said on the radio yesterday, Weis’ buyout is more classified then a defense contractor’s deals with the Pentagon. I’m not a big Awburn fan - in fact, I live and breath Alabama football, but I think this is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of - there are schools that would kill to have the record Tubs had at Awburn over the past 10 years.....I truly thought they’d keep him until next year and then let him go but I guess not...there’s a video on YouTube entitled Bobby Lowder’s office in Auburn....watch it - it is hysterical....


27 posted on 12/04/2008 6:56:08 AM PST by BamaDi (Jindal/Steele - my new choice!)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

And the kicker here is that he’s leaving with $6M and doesn’t have to take any less no matter where he ends up and what his salary is....it was a good news/bad news day for him - he won the $6M lottery, but he lost his job!


28 posted on 12/04/2008 6:58:34 AM PST by BamaDi (Jindal/Steele - my new choice!)
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To: stainlessbanner

Yes, we hate him down here, but his leaving was a good thing.

Jason Allen in the first round?

Definitely much better off with Parcells/Ireland/Sparano.

College coaching and NFL coaching are totally different jobs.


29 posted on 12/04/2008 7:01:18 AM PST by Boiling Pots (Anthony Kennedy: The 2nd most important person in Government 2009-2013. Pray for his good health.)
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To: sweet_diane

Actually Alabama claims all kinds of National Championships. Prior to the BCS the NC was crowned based on the coaches poll and the writers poll (UPI and AP). CHEWTIBACKY NC did not count.
I believe Auburn got a royal screwing a few years ago. So did Notre Dame back in the 90’s. They need a playoff but of course that isn’t going to happen.


30 posted on 12/04/2008 7:31:27 AM PST by Radl (rtr)
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To: Radl; sweet_diane

The NCAA officially recognizes all 12 of the National Championships that Alabama officially claims. All of those came from legitimate sportswriters, polls, publications that were recognized nationally at the time they were awarded. Ohio State, Texas, Oklahoma, USC all claim similar NC’s from the past that were not necessarily awarded by AP/UPI.

If we counted all the other ‘CHEWTIBACKY NC’s’ on top of those 12, it’d be more like 17 :)

If you care to do some ‘light’ reading ;) the NC stats start on p.74 of the NCAA Official Record book (’07 version) :

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/football_records/DI/2007/2007RB.pdf


31 posted on 12/04/2008 8:07:02 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Radl; BamaDi; Jemian; bamahead
FYI that you may already know. There is to be a presser from Auburn at 11am. I pulled up WJOX out of Bham and am listening to The Sports Table show now, but am assuming the presser will be aired there. The Sports TableWJOX

to Radl,Re: "Auburn got a royal screwing a few years ago". I've had it explained to me how that came about and it was unfortunate... I think the State of Alabama agreed on that. Yet to ME, the 'People's NC' thing with the rings etc seemed a bit desperate, but that's just me.

You can claim that Alabama "claims all kinds of NC" all you want, yet it is not true. sorry

32 posted on 12/04/2008 8:28:31 AM PST by sweet_diane (Time to STOMP the chomp! Roll TIDE ROLL)
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To: bamahead

I’ll put that on my ‘summer reading list’ bamahead, thanks! lol


33 posted on 12/04/2008 8:30:14 AM PST by sweet_diane (Time to STOMP the chomp! Roll TIDE ROLL)
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To: sweet_diane

I’ve got a dental appt at 1120 but I’ll listen to 105.5 here in Mobile while driving over there and see if it’s on...this thing is just too weird.....I’m getting the feeling that the Awburn folks are pretty divided on this...I just don’t understand Tubs saying he’s going to stay and work for the President. I went to al.com to see what was being said and that’s what he’s been quoted as saying, that he’s staying on to work with the President but didn’t give any particulars other then to say he’ll stay out of the limelight and away from picking a coach....


34 posted on 12/04/2008 8:42:10 AM PST by BamaDi (Jindal/Steele - my new choice!)
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To: sweet_diane

I do know of one case where Minn was recognized by the polls as the NC but some minor poll gave it to Alabama which is one of the 12 they recognize. Maybe you should take a look at this:

http://spittingfire.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/alabamas-12-national-championships/


35 posted on 12/04/2008 8:46:35 AM PST by Radl (rtr)
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To: Radl; sweet_diane

Sorry - I’ll take the NCAA OFFICIAL Football Record Book guide’s tally over some Auburn fan’s blog....any day, and twice on Saturday.

Maybe you should check out the link I sent you...official source. Not the ravings of some bitter plainsman...stuck in 1957 :) lol.


36 posted on 12/04/2008 8:53:54 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Radl
Radl..not getting in a p- contest with you, k? You're going to hate Alabama regardless, and that is your right ok?!

You are validated as a Auburn Tiger fan and that is cool! I'll add your link to my 'summer reading list', but I still won't be an Aubie.

Again, best of luck to Auburn and the coaching search! I've no doubt ya'll will be back on track much quicker than we were.

37 posted on 12/04/2008 8:56:12 AM PST by sweet_diane (Time to STOMP the chomp! Roll TIDE ROLL)
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To: sweet_diane

I agree with you re: NC. We got screwed and that is just the way it is. I’ve also learned not to blame a loss on the refrees. A good team plans for bad calls and just plays through it.


38 posted on 12/04/2008 8:59:03 AM PST by Jemian
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To: sweet_diane

Nice talking with you however I am not an Auburn fan. I just feel they were screwed a few years back. For several years I have been following Manchester Unite soccer. When the NCAA has a playoff I will be back. Good luck in your future games.


39 posted on 12/04/2008 9:22:12 AM PST by Radl (rtr)
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To: indcons

Saban is an unscrupulous, selfish jerk who is in business for himself, first, last and in-between. His behavior as coach of the Miami Dolphins was more than just not winning. He had a 9-7 record his first year, falling to 6-10 in the 2nd. He made a 5 year commitment to the Dolphins, turned the team upside down, brought in Gus Frerotte who did a decent job as starting QB in the 1st year, only to dump him for injured Daunte Culpepper, with Drew Brees available. He wanted sole authority on all decisions and was arrogant and insolent did not allow any of his coaches to talk to the press. He was often an embarrasment to the organization with his rudeness to the press.

He lied all along about his plans to talk to Alabama and committed himself publicly to the Dolphins only to disappear overnight with his moving truck, leaving the team high and dry when they were trying to plan for the next season. Never explained himself, never spoke to the team, just phoned it in after he was safely in Tuscaloosa. Real, classless, jerk.


40 posted on 12/04/2008 9:26:40 AM PST by untwist
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To: untwist
"He was often an embarrasment to the organization with his rudeness to the press."

Then seems to me you'd be THRILLED that he found the NFL so discusting that he couldn't get out quick enough, lol. I'm sorry, I can't feel sorry for the Dolphins or any NFL team. Bunch of overpaid primadonnas, IMHO.. no heart for the game, only money.

Take a chill pill.. they work great on SDS (Saban Derangement Syndrome). Or go build a 'pine box' to take your mind off Saban. lol

41 posted on 12/04/2008 9:34:05 AM PST by sweet_diane (Time to STOMP the chomp! Roll TIDE ROLL)
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To: sweet_diane

He’s all yours sweetie! I am Gator Dad and can’t wait to see you Saturday!


42 posted on 12/04/2008 9:38:59 AM PST by untwist
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To: untwist
I'm hoping it's a good game Saturday. I'm probably more unsure of this game then all the others we've played so far. Of course, there is also more at stake!

I haven't really watched much of any of the FL games, but know FL has one heck of a team this year. I'm anxious to see if Alabama can rise to the occasion of playing the team that, apparently, is the best football team to EVER take the field (according to the media hype at least) lol. And I'm looking forward to watching Tebow, who I've heard is not only an outstanding QB, but also a good kid who is better than the media hype surrounding him.

OT: I've heard Spurrier's name thrown about in regard to the Auburn HC position. Do you think he'd be a good fit on the plains?

43 posted on 12/04/2008 2:18:51 PM PST by sweet_diane (Time to STOMP the chomp! Roll TIDE ROLL)
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To: sweet_diane

Spurrier is a good motivator of kids. He had a strong reputation at UF. He, like Saban, had problems leading and motivating pros at the NFL level. I don’t know his situation at SC but I would be surprised if he takes another job right now. He’s been around a long time and I don’t see him bouncing around but what do I know? College football head coaches make such big money and have a lot of power so who is to say if they offer him a bankful of money.

By the way, I do not hold the Saban situation against the Crimson Tide. The boosters did what they thought they had to do. His statements about Tuberville seem quite disingenuous given his unseating of Mike Shula after Shula was ousted just a year after a very successful season. Down here, Don Shula is like a national monument. Saban did a double-whammy by dissing Shula’s team and by unseating Shula’s son. The way Saban handled it was disgraceful, literally running off in the dark of night and not even facing his team after saying the rumors of leaving weren’t true. He is a very talented college coach and his team deserves their #1 ranking.

In my view, this upcoming game IS the National Championship
game. We will see!


44 posted on 12/04/2008 2:31:43 PM PST by untwist
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To: untwist
Well, we had our Coach Fran who left after saying he was staying and not saying a word to the team and there's always Tubervilles proclaiming he'd have to leave Mississippi in a 'pine box' as he was on his way to Auburn. Saban wasn't the first, and probably not the last, yet I can certainly understand where you are coming from. Personally, I was glad to see Shula leave Alabama for many reasons other than his record.

I have to be honest and say I like Spurrier alot more now than I did back when he was at FL..and even then I recognized that he is a good coach. At the time we had a friend who was a rabid Gator's fan... I couldn't even be in the same room with her and my Husband! lol I would like to see someone of his caliber at Auburn. A rivarly is no fun it's too one sided, IMHO.

May the best team win on Saturday!! I'm hoping for a good, clean, smash-mouth, old timey, play all out game, without injuries on either side! Regardless the outcome, this has been one crazy season so far!

45 posted on 12/04/2008 2:51:31 PM PST by sweet_diane (Time to STOMP the chomp! Roll TIDE ROLL)
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To: indcons

Lighten up Saban.

Tuberville left of his own accord. The AD and the president tried to talk him into staying.

It was just time to move on. Plus, in my mind, Coach T has his sites set on another up and coming opening.


46 posted on 12/05/2008 1:12:06 PM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: isaac32
Alabama will lose to the Gators who will also beat OU for the national champ.

Go GATORS!!

47 posted on 12/05/2008 1:13:19 PM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: sweet_diane

Roll Tide!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m gettin’ all excited and can’t wait for tomorrow. :-) Bama’s in Atlanta and ready for business!!!!!!!


48 posted on 12/05/2008 1:16:01 PM PST by petitfour
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To: petitfour
I'm looking forward to tomorrow!! I haven't really watched FL play, but certainly understand they playing at the top of their game. I'm ready! I'm looking forward to some GOOD football tomorrow!!

No one believed it was possible, but here we are....12-0, heading back to the Georgia Dome. How sweet it is!

Roll TIDE ROLL ! ! !

49 posted on 12/05/2008 3:46:56 PM PST by sweet_diane (Roll Tide!)
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