Posted on 12/19/2008 2:10:53 PM PST by decimon
he California Highway Patrol in the High Desert and the Twentynine Palms Marine Base are receiving dozens of calls complaining about a controversial DUI checkpoint. Military Police joined the CHP for a recent checkpoint in Yucca Valley.
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>>>>>Only if it was in ‘77. Then maybe could be. Loved the watches at the Club carding and breaking up fights<<<<<
I was there in 75/76, at the A School barracks but made it to the enlisted club only once because I couldn’t stand to drink that so-called “beer”. Some Filipino or VN chick ran a bar over the hill at OB and so that’s where we’d go instead.
Loved SD, I was there almost 6 months and it rained maybe 3 times. Maybe 1. Amazingly there was a snow flurry for about 10 minutes one day.
BTW, NTC San Diego had a little sailing club with a bunch of small skiffs you could rent and sail out in the harbor (after you qualified). Very nice, I spent many an afternoon there.
From your link: "Limitations on growing the active duty force have resulted in the hiring of civilians to provide Security and Law Enforcement services across the Department of Defense."
Looks like the are limits on numbers of enlisted personnel but not civilian hires.
As employees of the DoD, I think they would have no authority over civilians.
Civilian cops would ID them and when the green Military ID was produced, we went hands on and arranged transport back to their unit. It did save the local PD alot of jail space and paperwork
I actually got my first Letter of Commendation from the Base Commander for that assignment...having girls in bikinis throwing hotel keys at me...should have gotten haz duty pay too, I guess.
Yes its a detail for the Navy version of MP’s called Master at Arms.
Just over complicating it here - simply an agreement here b/n the local PD and base MP's to take military persons off their hands when identified. MP's do not go hands on with civilians unless they buck the cops and fight - and then they back them up as any passing civilian should do.
Military doing civilian police duty? Is that constitutional?
In the link the Corps is hiring civilian cops to be employees of the Corps.
The MPs were apparently just observing but that was enough to alarm some civilians. I don't think I'd like it.
Two issues usually arise which enforce the Posse Comitatus Act.
1) Jurisdiction of law enforcement.
2) Military Support to Civilian Authority and source funding.
If local law enforcement is supplemented by military personnel, enormous efforts must be made in the judicial side of the house to handle those who are improperly arrested or how to handle evidence obtained without due process. Additionally, even if some local law enforcement officer declares by his personal edict that military law is in place, the long arm of the law (judicial branch) has time on its side to deal with determining the legitimacy of the situation.
Unlike civilian law enforcement, during the Long War, many military personnel are being assigned military police functions without much more than a HS Diploma, physical training, and boot camp for training. They aren’t undergoing training such as a police academy or review of state law or even the traffic codes. They understand immediate obedience to orders and in some situations serve as manpower where presence is beneficial to the civilian authorities.
The second issue regarding MSCA in Military Operations Other Than War, has numerous constraints placed on local commanders regarding timely reporting and gaining appropriate authority from the local chain of command through the State, through the Governor to the Federal Government, then through to the DoD. Throughout that myriad of required reporting and requests for authority, there are numerous branch points where other public service and nongovernmental organizations might be better solutions than the military.
At the end of it all, somebody has to account for the defense expenditures for the operations conducted in support of civilian authority.
Despite Hollywood SciFi and Cold War rhetoric when Army Navy Surplus was more abundant, the US military is hardly equipped to either supplement or replace civilian mechanisms of operations, commerce, utilities, and infrastructure. At best, a major percentage of US military resources at the Division level might be able to sustain a relatively small town of 10,000-50,000 provided the rest of the nation was supporting it.
Generally speaking, the DoD frequently is at odds with local and state utility companies for operating the military utility infrastructure, even with civilian government service and outsourced skilled personnel. The Government basically got out of operating utility companies with deregulation, although they operate many of their own district plants supporting existing operations.
One of the easist ways to spot BS in military public affairs is when a battalion to divisional command makes extravagant claims of going into a war zone and is establishing infrastructure which never previously existed for city populations and country regions.
Those efforts took decades in the US when we had economic dominance and a large industrial base, consuming a major portion of our expendable income on those efforts, with widely decentralized parallel construction efforts in a free market economy.
FWIW, the military MPs frequently are so understaffed that WYSIWYG. They probably were simply observing during a training period prior to deployment or as temp personnel without sufficient funds for more extensive training in a documented training curriculum (ie OJT as observers). Since a lot of deployed Marines have developed driving habits in war zones, to not stop for anything, we’re probably having a larger number of drunk driving/sleepiness, and unsafe driving practices claim many more friendlies upon return stateside than overseas, not counting improvised munitions.
That was succinct.
Yeah - there are DoD cops now on many reservations to supplement law enforcement, as well as contract private security to do access control, etc. Internal security is being contracted out too...I have an Army buddy at JSOC HQ Fort Bragg who tells me their access control to this sensitive area has been contracted out to private security for years.
That brings about a mental image that is NOT pleasant...
That brings about a mental image that is NOT pleasant...
Okay, Robert Blake.
I think it’s great, the check points are impounding about 40+ cars of illegals without drivers licenses every time the have one.
Now all we have to do is get the cops in these sanctuary cities to arrest and deport them.
They are going to have another ine in Oceanside tonight.
And you can take Dat to Da Bank...
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