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Pius XI Deplores Fascist Hostility in Christmas Message (12/25/38)
Microfiche-New York Times archives | 12/25/38 | Arnaldo Cortesi

Posted on 12/25/2008 6:59:46 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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To: dannyprimrose1

>>Dont blame someone who points it out.

Whatever. I’m done mentally masturbating with you.


42 posted on 12/29/2008 7:50:18 PM PST by MarineBrat (The New York Times is a Communist Kamikaze.)
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To: dannyprimrose1
"I dont go with wikipedia definitions because anybody can add to them."

Your real problem is, you only know half as much as you think you know, and that leads you to make silly mistakes, which you are loathe to admit (btw, of course this condition is not in the least unusual ;-)).

Wikipedia is a good convenient source for BASIC information such as definitions of terms and common historical facts. Of course, it is not the FINAL authority but, better than nine times in ten, it is perfectly adequate in nailing down the BASICS.

In this particular example, you are clearly confused about the word "fascism." You fantasize it has something to do with free-trade or capitalism. Wikipedia can quickly set you straight on that, if you'll take the time to study it.

Of course, you are free to disagree with Wikipedia. But here's the deal: if you disagree, then you are OBLIGED to cite another MORE AUTHORITATIVE source to support your arguments.

Get it?

43 posted on 12/30/2008 5:02:43 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: dannyprimrose1
"Excatly what is the definition of extreme right wing? Or is that pretend land for you?"

In my book, the "extreme right" are such as libertarians, constitutionalists, even anarchists in the sense of wanting the MINIMUM possible government.

In today's normal political discourse, BIGGER GOVERNMENT is LEFT, SMALLER GOVERNMENT is RIGHT.

The bigger the government, the more LEFTIST.
The smaller the government, the more RIGHT.

Historically, "fascists" were big government militarists. Unlike Communists, they did not nationalize EVERY means of production, but they did focus their economies -- public & private -- their politics and their populations, on their military goals.

45 posted on 12/30/2008 7:03:07 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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Comment #48 Removed by Moderator

To: dannyprimrose1
"yep to hell with that pesky document called the Constitution. Libertarians, yep, got to keep up with the war on all drugs. Forget the 2nd. Forget the 4th. too. Oh yes. the minimum possible government. Isnt that what every one here screams for?. Scream for me."

My goodnes gracious, danny. What in the world are you ranting about? Is your statement above supposed to mean something? You want to say it in clear plain English?

Do you not understand basic ideas, like larger government is more liberal, smaller government more conservative?

As liberalism becomes more and more extreme, it becomes more like National Socialism, International Socialism and Communism.

Sadly, in the modern world, we have no serious examples of shrinking governments. But that is just what's advocated by such "nuts" the Ron Pauls, Pat Buchanans, Libertarians & Constitutionalists. Those are your "radical right-wingers," not fascists or Nazis.

To summarize, historically "fascists" were:
anti-democratic
anti-constitutional
racists
big government socialists
committed to domestic violence and military conquest

In short, these were just not nice people. They have nothing to do with American conservative values, such as you find here at Free Republic!

Do you disagree?

49 posted on 12/31/2008 9:12:58 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: dannyprimrose1
"Im confused though Ron Paul and Buchanan seek to limit government and they are considered fringe “kooks” on this forum. Is this forum now advocating against “right wing”, ‘Limited government”. Its a crazy world."

Not THAT crazy.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I consider Free Republic a conservative forum, with everything that implies in today's political discourse.

Folks like Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan call themselves "true conservatives," in the mold of, say, the 1950s era "Mr. Republican," Ohio Senator Robert Taft. They call the rest of us "neo-cons" because we support a stronger national defense than they think necessary.

Some of this is just debate over definitions of terms, but there's a pretty simple bottom line:

A conservative supports traditional values (Constitution, family, religions, private enterprise, etc.), smaller government and a strong enough national defense. So President Bush gets good marks on values, lower taxes and national defense. But he's also presided over a huge increase in government size, spending and deficits.

This greatly disappoints most conservatives, and as a result we all sulked while the country elected new leaders, committed to EVEN BIGGER government size, spending and deficits -- with HIGHER TAXES and LESS MILITARY to help pay for it.

In an age when government has NEVER stopped growing (except the military, which has been shrinking relatively since 1952), regardless of which party was elected majority, the real differences between the Ron Pauls or Pat Buchanans and other conservatives are more theoretical than actual.

We all define "success" as seeing government shrink, but we keep getting our *sses whipped, even when we elect supposedly conservative leaders.

Libertarians and Constitutionalists advocate even smaller government than Conservatives, but in the mean time, the government only GROWS LARGER.

Point is: America's "radical right wing" is worlds apart from European style big government national socialists, international socialists, communists & fascists.

51 posted on 01/01/2009 6:58:15 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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