Posted on 12/26/2008 6:48:08 AM PST by Free America52
First off, the biggest ass-kissing media refers to Michelle Obama as a 'distinguished attorney" despite the fact that Michelle Obama has been"inactive" since 1993.
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“Lincoln believed in the Founders’ concept of a federal republic where the states were sovereign in their realm and the general government was sovereign in its realm.”
What Lincoln championed was the elimination of any substantive state sovereignty, and the subordination of the states to the federal government. The Founders’ intent was pretty much the polar opposite. I think the 14th Amendment, which is sometimes called “The Lincoln Amendment” (though drafted and passed after his death), addresses this, as before the passage of that amendment the Bill of Rights was only applicable to the federal government; the 14th Amendment made the BOR applicable to the states, as well. Like many things, there are pros and cons to this. The most obvious and drastic result of the 14th Amendment and its aplication was that the federal government became supreme, which was what Lincoln had always desired.
You clearly are of the Lincoln school, as evidenced by your comments. On the other hand, I am of the Jefferson/Madison school, which insisted on a limited and benign federal government whose authority was pretty much limited to acting as agent for the states, with a few exceptions. Again, arguments can be made for and against both schools. I think the Founders foretold this, as they created the Republic to function in such a way that in the event of a national emergency (such as an invasion by a foreign power) the federal government would ascend to dominant authority, but absent a national emergency the states should reign supreme.
In any event, I don’t think anyone envisioned the monstrous beast that the federal government has become.
No conservative likes that. I certainly think Lincoln would be appaled if he could see it. But without secession all that was likely to happen under his administration was Congess keeping slavery out of the territories and a moderate rise in constitutionally mandated tariffs. Hardly a rampant federal government. I do not think it's correct to assume that we wouldn't have an even more intrusive federal leviathan had Lincoln surrendered to secession.
Its funny that all Lawyers that I know that have stepped down from ACTIVE practice, have keep the bar dues paid and keep their continue education up. A very successful Lawyer that I know like a brother, has been the administrator of a multi millionaires’ trust. He was making more money off that and managing the trust and estate, that he became inactive in practicing law (court and to the public at large) but has keep the education and license active. One that pays that mnuch money to become a laywer, doesn’t just quit after all that. There is more to the story that I doubt we will ever know. Remember, we are talking Ill, and the political structure there and she was with Daley and his machine. It is just to strange that this is just now coming to light.
“...a moderate rise in constitutionally mandated tariffs.”
Moderate? Economy-crashing, you mean. It was the tariffs that set the South on the road to secession.
I suspect the tariff increase would have been moderate had the southern representatives not already jumped ship. The secession started in December before Lincoln and the new Congress even took office. And according to the secessionists’ own statements, tariffs were at most a minor point.
“I suspect the tariff increase would have been moderate had the southern representatives not already jumped ship. The secession started in December before Lincoln and the new Congress even took office. And according to the secessionists’ own statements, tariffs were at most a minor point.”
Absolutely not true. The oppressive tariffs were proposed before the 1860 election, and Abe said he supported them BEFORE the election. Thus, the writing was on the wall before the election, and the Southern states knew, with a Lincoln electoral victory, that its economy was destined to collapse. Lincoln signed the tariffs into law in March, 1861 upon taking office. Your comment that the tariffs were “at most a minor point” is just folly: Not only did the South rage about the tariffs, the objective chroniclers in Europse almost to a man called the American Civil War the “Tariff War.”
The heavy tariff would have never passed if the departed southerners had joined forces with the northern Democrats. And I doubt that even Republican support would have been as strong without suppression of a rebellion to finance. If you read the southern secession declarations they were dominated by the slavery issue. In their own words, tariffs were a minor irritant at most.
Not true. While the tariff would have had a harder time passing in the Senate (but even there it had the numbers to pass), the House by a large margin supported it. Remember, the Confederacy only comprised 11 states, whereas the Union comprised 23 states and the territories. Thus, the Southern states were outnumbered in both the House and the Senate, and the Northern Democrats would not have made a difference because they wanted to get their hands on the tariff pie, as well, for their own interests and projects. The simple fact is that Northern interests had the votes to impose the tariff, and the South had to either go along with it (which would have seriously degraded its economy) or secede. They opted for secession, as they believed the Northern states, by concentrating their revenue generating efforts against the Southern states, violated the Constitution and thus that compact was by right dissolved.
Was slavery an issue? Yes, but not to the extent the revisionists would like us to believe. The South knew that the issue of whether or not slavery was to be legal was up to the individual states, which had the right to determine what it allowed within their own borders. They also knew that slavery in the United States itself was protected by the Constitution, and that absent a change to the Constitution slavery could not be abolished, and they were confident there would not be 26 states that would ratify an amendment abolishing slavery (of the 34 states in the United States at the time, 15 were slave states, and they would not have supported such an amendment). In short, the South knew slavery as an institution was not going to be abolished legally unless some of those 15 states agreed to it). What the South did fear, though, was possibility of insurrections by the slaves, stirred up by Northern firebrands (the Nat Turner Rebellion was seared into the memories of the Southern planters, especially those in Virginia where the rebellion originated, and in South Carolina where there were similar incidents, though not as notorious).
You know, some people today think the modern day equivalent of the slavery issue, as far as inflaming passions, is the abortion question. To an extent, I agree with that comparison. However, I think a more valid comparison would be to Second Amendment. The Constitution protected slavery, and the Constitution protects the right of the People to keep and bear arms. There were anti-slavery firebrands and zealots in the mid-19th century who vilified slavery and slave holders to an obscene degree, just as today there are groups like the Brady Bunch and the Soros idiots and their ilk who trash guns and gun owners to the nth degree. The South was willing to fight for its Constitutional rights; I believe there are a hell of a lot of gun owners who will do the same thing if and when the gun-grabbers both in and out of government try to take away THOSE rights.
Read my profile. I wish the Southern states had not seceded, but I understand fully why they did.
miss ya already
There is much to be praised about divided sovereignty in our federal system, but I strongly believe that the secessionists went too far in the other direction. Chaos and rampant state government is as much of a threat to freedom as rampant general government in Washington. I believe that Lincoln held the middle ground of prudence that the Founders envisioned.
“I believe that Lincoln held the middle ground of prudence that the Founders envisioned.”
I don’t. I think Lincoln was a despot. I think the Founders would have been appalled at Lincoln. But we can agree to disagree.
The first lady is paid a stipend of 12,500 a yr. But it doesn’t come out of gov’t coffers. I believe ther is some historic fund set up by someone to do that. I also think that it was customary for the the lady to donate it to charity.
What Is the ARDC? (this is NOT the Illinois Bar - where one can voluntarily be inactive)
As our name implies, the ARDC is the agency of the Supreme Court of Illinois which registers attorneys and investigates complaints of misconduct filed against attorneys holding a license to practice law in Illinois.
Our principal purpose is to assist the Supreme Court to determine a lawyer’s fitness to practice law in Illinois. If a complaint is made that an attorney, licensed to practice law in Illinois, has engaged in illegal, unethical or dishonest conduct, we will investigate and, if warranted, bring formal disciplinary charges.
The Supreme Court of Illinois will then ultimately decide if a lawyer should be censured (publicly rebuked), suspended (having the law license to practice either taken away for a certain period of time or placed on a probationary period) or disbarred (having the law license taken away indefinitely).”
Ping to another Blast from the Past. Good find, Kim. Thanks so much. Bet all this information isn't archived on any other website. Bookmarked.
Glad to be of help..I’m going to post this info on the last thread and this one.
http://www.iardc.org/rule770inactivestatus.html
INACTIVE STATUS Prior to November 1, 1999,
former Supreme Court Rule 770 provided for a proceeding in the Court for any voluntary transfer to inactive status, whether because of some incapacitating condition or solely as a matter of the lawyer’s preference because the lawyer would not be practicing law.
The current registration rules provide a procedure for lawyers on Court-ordered inactive status under former Supreme Court Rule 770 who might wish to register.
Whatever registration status the lawyer wishes to assume (active, inactive, or retired), the lawyer must first file a motion with the Supreme Court for restoration to active status under Rule 759. The motion process is necessary to screen for those who transferred due to circumstances that require some review of present fitness, and the motions will be contested only in such cases. In all other cases, the ARDC will consent to the transfer, and when a consent is submitted, the Supreme Court typically allows the motion within a few weeks of when it is filed.
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More—copied this because of the comments about community organizations..
http://www.illinoisprobono.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.dsp_Content&contentID=6481
On July 1, 2008, amendments to Illinois Supreme Court Rules 716 and 756 went into effect that give retired and inactive attorneys as well as corporate attorneys with limited admission status the ability to provide on a pro bono basis critical legal assistance to vulnerable and disadvantaged people who would otherwise be shut out of our justice system.
The ARDC recently posted to its website the forms that organizations (?sponsoring entities?) and pro bono attorneys must complete in order to perform pro bono work under the amended rules.
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the amendments to Rules 716 and 756: Provide that retired, inactive and in-house attorneys with limited admission status may do pro bono work without charge or expectation of a fee for individuals of limited means or charitable, civic, community or other similar groups
Check this link out..worth the read..
http://www.dcba.org/brief/marissue/1998/art60398.htm
II. Confidentiality Issues And Attorney Impairment Supreme Court Rule 766 sets forth disciplinary matters that shall remain private and confidential.28 Matters mentioned under this Rule include proceedings before the Inquiry Board. This provision applies to all matters brought before the Inquiry Board, whether they involve attorney impairment or not. Rule 766 also provides that proceedings before the Hearing and Review Boards pursuant to Rule 758 shall remain confidential.
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Chicago Sun-Times - Thursday, October 15, 1992
Author: Michael Sneed
EXCERPT
Tipsville . . .
Dateline: City Hall - Watch for City Planning Commissioner Valerie Jarrett to hire Michelle Robinson -Obama, an assistant to Mayor Daley’s former chief of staff, Dave Mosena, as her new point person responsible for monitoring the city’s major business expansion and retention efforts.
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Barack’s rock - Obama’s blunt, tough partner Michelle helps shape her husband’s politics and life and is integral to his campaign
Chicago Tribune (IL) - Sunday, April 22, 2007
Author: Christi Parsons, Bruce Japsen and Bob Secter, Tribune staff reporters
EXCERPT
In the summer of 1991, Valerie Jarrett, then Mayor Richard Daley’s deputy chief of staff, interviewed a young Sidley Austin attorney named Michelle Robinson . After the 90-minute conversation, Jarrett offered her a job, but Robinson called back a day later, not to say “yes” but “maybe.” First, she said, her fiance wanted to meet Jarrett.
By that time, Obama the independent-minded community activist had privately expressed his political ambitions. This job would put his wife-to-be squarely in the offices of the man whose father had perfected the Democratic machine.
“My fiance wants to know who is going to be looking out for me and making sure that I thrive,” Jarrett recalled Robinson telling her.
So the three of them — the prospective boss, the job applicant and the man she would marry a year later — piled into a booth at a seafood restaurant in the Loop and got to know each other over a long dinner.
At the end of the evening, Jarrett turned to Barack and asked, “Well, did I pass the test?” Obama smiled, put his head down, closed his eyes and said, “Yeah, you passed the test.”
That was the start of a long relationship that has paid off politically for Barack Obama, connecting him to Daley’s inner circle.
At City Hall, Michelle Obama forged close and lasting friendships with Jarrett and many other top Daley aides, including former Corporation Counsel Susan Sher and David Mosena , who was the mayor’s chief of staff when Michelle Obama first joined his administration. She left in 1993.
All have long since left the city payroll as well, but are loyal to the mayor and now the Obamas. Their careers also have frequently overlapped, and together they make up a network that reaches into virtually every aspect of Chicago politics.
After leaving City Hall, Jarrett went on to lead the Chicago Transit Authority. She recruited Michelle Obama to the transit agency’s citizen advisory committee. Mosena , who now is president of the Museum of Science and Industry, served with Obama on the Commission on Chicago Landmarks.
Currently, she works as the $273,618-a-year vice president for community and external affairs at The University of Chicago Medical Center. Her boss there is Sher.
City Hall records show Michelle Obama, then still named Robinson, began work as a $60,000-a-year mayoral assistant in September of 1991. She didn’t stay long in the mayor’s office. Within weeks, Daley promoted Jarrett to run the new Department of Planning and Development. Obama followed.
She had no background in economic development, but Obama served as a troubleshooter for Jarrett.
“She had this incredible ability to be a problem solver,” said Beth White, an assistant to the planning commissioner at the time. “She was just totally unflappable.”
Obama also picked up a reputation for being blunt. Once a junior staffer wanted a promotion and came to White and Obama to talk about it. Obama walked the woman step-by-step through her shortcomings, White recalled.
“It wasn’t a put-down,” White said. “It was simply, ‘You’re not ready for this and here’s why.’ She did it kind, but firm. A lot of people are uncomfortable doing that.”
After only 18 months at the city, she left to launch the Chicago chapter of Public Allies, a group that sought to build future community leaders by arranging apprenticeships for young adults with non-profit organizations. Barack Obama was on the founding board of Public Allies, and it was he who recommended his new wife for the job as the Chicago chapter’s first executive director, recalled Paul Schmitz, the current president of the group, which is now headquartered in Milwaukee and has chapters in many cities.
Michelle Robinson Obama often baby sat for Jesse Jackson's children and spent a great deal of time in the Jackson home as a child. Jesse Jackson biological father's name was Robinson (A bastard child. He was later adopted by his mother's new husband) After research I confirmed these facts and found that both of the Robinson families traced their roots to Friend Plantation in the Carolinas. Was unable to determine if they were in fact related.
They were affirmitive action lawyers. They didn't pay a cent for their education....and they'll expect someone else to pick up the bill if and when they decide they'd like to go back to it.
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