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Economic Woes May Bring Back Victory Gardens
Centre Daily Times ^ | Saturday, Jan. 10, 2009 | Bill Lamont

Posted on 01/10/2009 6:05:11 PM PST by nickcarraway

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To: Prophet in the wilderness
There is landscaping material that you can use to keep weeds away.... land scaping professionals use it before they lay down mulch and plants. You put this material down over the dirt, and you can cut holes in it and put the plants in the holes, water still gets to the plants, but, mostly keeps the weeds away.

I wonder if this will work for me.

Last spring we moved into a house with a great garden spot. Our new neighbors raved about the great vegetables that the old couple we bought the house from used to grow. I decided to set out some tomatoes and peppers only, since we were pretty busy with getting settled.

The plants did GREAT, and it was a lot of fun until about midsummer... when vines started growing everywhere! They were worse than kudzu, and would grow so fast that I couldn't keep up with them. They took over my tomato and pepper plants and "strangled" them.

One of my neighbors stopped by one evening when I was out hoeing the garden, and mentioned that the old man who had owned the house before us had planted gourds his last year there. He said that the old man couldn't keep up with them either, and that the vines had taken over nearly the entire back yard and had grown up the trees surrounding the garden.

I guess these gourd vines will just keep coming back year after year until I figure out a way to deal with them. Your suggestion sounds like it might just help.

Thanks!

81 posted on 01/11/2009 5:50:38 AM PST by PalmettoMason ("an empty limousine pulled up in front of the White House, and Barack Obama got out")
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To: Viking2002

I sell trees for a living. If you need any, let me know. I’ll have ‘bare root’ trees in stock come the end of March. :)

Shameless plug:

http://www.jungseed.com


82 posted on 01/11/2009 6:07:39 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin ('Taking the moderate path of appeasement leads to abysmal defeat.' - Rush on 11/05/08)
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To: aruanan

While I didn’t want to go into too much detail, the idea is to have an alternative to meat, when meat is either exorbitantly priced or scarce, both of which could happen in a serious depression.

But even worse, if there is an agricultural pandemic of the H5N1 influenza, whether or not it kills a vast number of people, it could also wipe out a vast amount of farm animals, leading to profound shortages of meat.

As an aside, I will note that Quorn has a major advantage over tofu in that it does not contain the high levels of plant estrogen that tofu does. While tofu is widely consumed without problems in southern Asia, this is because it has been fermented, which destroys most of the estrogen.

For this reason, it would be a good idea to limit intake of non-fermented tofu, as plant estrogen can cause severe health problems.


83 posted on 01/11/2009 6:07:45 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: cherry

“To own a bit of ground, to scratch it with a hoe, to plant seeds and watch, their renewal of life, this is the commonest delight of the race, the most satisfactory thing a man can do.” ~ Charles Dudley Warner


84 posted on 01/11/2009 6:36:20 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin ('Taking the moderate path of appeasement leads to abysmal defeat.' - Rush on 11/05/08)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
As an aside, I will note that Quorn has a major advantage over tofu in that it does not contain the high levels of plant estrogen that tofu does. While tofu is widely consumed without problems in southern Asia, this is because it has been fermented, which destroys most of the estrogen.

For this reason, it would be a good idea to limit intake of non-fermented tofu, as plant estrogen can cause severe health problems.


The fermentation also removes the compounds in soy that bind intrinsic factor in the stomach required for the acquisition of vitamin B12. Animal protein, though, is the only reliable dietary source for the B vitamins, and the only source for vitamin B12.
85 posted on 01/11/2009 6:41:30 AM PST by aruanan
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To: anonsquared

“I see many positive aspects of encouraging victory gardens today. “ So do I. Even for people who have been gardening all their lives, the produce you grow in your garden tastes much better than anything coming from a grocery store.


86 posted on 01/11/2009 7:49:17 AM PST by tob2 (No retreat!)
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To: nickcarraway; Gabz; gardengirl; Diana in Wisconsin; CrappieLuck; Grammy; JustaDumbBlonde

Yea Grammy, you are growing a garden this year!!! Let me know how the deer repellent works.

I’m going to double the size of my garden this year, and try to freeze, and maybe can some veggies.

I have a small garden in raised beds and fenced. Fencing is a must, because of the deer.

I think a lot more people will be growing gardens now, and getting seeds and plant sets may be a problem. I noticed it last year, when I couldn’t find onion sets. I live 10 miles from town, and everytime I’d go to the Coop, Walmart, they’d say they had them, but they were gone by day’s end.

Off topic, have any of you heard from gardengirl lately? I have scanned a few gardening threads and haven’t seen her in a while. Hope she is okay.

Think I am going to try to the newspapers in the garden, like the other poster suggested. Also, it would be neat if JustaDumbBlonde could post that photo again of her garden, and way of controlling weeds.


87 posted on 01/11/2009 8:20:24 AM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: Dianna

We had one in our old house when the kids were little, and they enjoyed it then. They ate more salads than they ever have in their life! The garden was off to the side of the yard, and wasn’t the main focus of the yard.

I’ve been resistant to put one in the new house because the only real place is a strip of dirt between our pool and our grassy area. It’s literally the middle of the yard.

I try to plant flowers there, but half the time it ends up being dirt, so I’m just going to use it for a garden. It will be prettier than dirt, and much more functional. I also want to add a lemon tree.


88 posted on 01/11/2009 9:10:06 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: Red_Devil 232
Yeah, I have to update my page. By the time I get around to it, I'll probably be living back up there. LOL From everything I've seen and read, several varieties of apple tree aside from the Granny Smith also do quite well down here. Just go to a local nursery this spring and see what they have in stock. Like all fruit trees, some are self-pollinating, and some aren't, so keep that in mind when selecting a variety. I just Googled 'apple trees Mississippi' and got about 294,000 hits, including orchard locations, so have at it!


89 posted on 01/11/2009 9:26:24 AM PST by Viking2002 (Let's be proactive and start the impeachment NOW.)
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To: girlangler; gardengirl

GG posted a soup recipe last night. I’ll bet she’s coming into her busy season at her garden center. She’s always a number of months ahead of me, up here in ‘Da Great White Nort.’ :)


90 posted on 01/11/2009 9:33:49 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin ('Taking the moderate path of appeasement leads to abysmal defeat.' - Rush on 11/05/08)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Awesome !

We have smaller gardens, yet we get more from em with careful planning than most would in same area. My goal next year is to build a greenhouse. We would love to have about six acres for just gardens but our property is just 2 acres. But we gave up lawn 2 years ago to make room for more garden spaces. But we share a lot of our harvest is we that we can’t properly store due space or consumption etc ....

Good luck on your gardening !


91 posted on 01/11/2009 9:40:41 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: RedMonqey

Go squat yourself. Better yet, beat up on some troll on another thread. Arrogant idiot.


92 posted on 01/11/2009 9:52:45 AM PST by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Oh agree ...... I used to snack on popcorn, salt butter etc and then someone told me to not add butter and salt for a few weeks of consuming my daily snack ! The popcorn alone was (is) actually kind of sweet. The popcorn alone is very very good , no need to alter the taste but it is just as good with or without.

Processed food is indeed different. We try and never use such. But we have canned goods, like soups and chili’s and stews on the shelf as emergency cache but we use it for lunches at work as it nears it’s shelf life and replenish with fresh. We buy cornmeal, all purpose flour, sugar, salt, baking powder, spices, cooking oils, tea, coffee in bulk a few times a year yet really try and stay out of the stores as much as possible. Saves fuel.


93 posted on 01/11/2009 10:19:01 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Squatting was not an insult but good advice. If you can find free land, claim it.


94 posted on 01/11/2009 10:24:07 AM PST by RedMonqey
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Glad to hear she’s still on FR. I bet she is busy, the garden centers here are getting ready for the spring garden season, which is only a few weeks away (thank God).

I have some tomato and bell pepper starts underway in the house. Last week I went to visit my brother in Knoxville and his neighbor had these little greenhouses, a four level wide racked shelf with a plastic zip up cover. He had beautiful Christmas cactuses growing in them. They are on wheels and you can wheel them inside when it is too cold out, then back out in warmer weather. I begged him to sell me one.

The weather here is crazy, we have 60 degree weather one day, then 15 the next. So these are perfect. Remember I told you we built a small greenhouse outside, but last year lost all my hanging flowers in there. The electric rates just went sky high here, and I can’t afford to heat it, plus can’t stand the thought of losing everything again. It is basically now a potting shed, but in April I may move everything in there.

Winter before last we had gorgeous weather, and everything outside budded. Then, in April we had about two days where it dropped in the teens.I’m going to try really hard not to get overanxious this year and plant too soon.


95 posted on 01/11/2009 10:55:24 AM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: CH3CN

Do these work well? I’ve thought about putting some of those in my failed greenhouse, which is now a potting shed, and letting them grow till the temperatures drop too much.

My house has a lot of glass, and four of the windows get several hours of morning sun. Wonder if I could bring one of those in during the winter, hang it in the window and put a drip pan under it. I’d love to have fresh tomatos all winter.


96 posted on 01/11/2009 11:00:22 AM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: girlangler
Hi girlangler! So nice to hear from you. Here are the photos that I had posted previously, showing the landscape fabric that I used in the garden. This was my '07 garden, but I did the same thing on a larger scale in '08. I intend to expand again this year. Don't think that I will ever go without it again as it allows you to put all of your time into production. Not a single weed.

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I believe that it was Gabz that said that the landscape fabric would last longer if I put some straw or bark mulch on top, but I didn't have access to cheap straw and bark mulch was cost prohibitive. I did get 2 years' use though, as I planted a winter crop of broccoli, cauliflower, and cabbage on the '07 beds.

97 posted on 01/11/2009 12:40:41 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: girlangler; Gabz; Diana in Wisconsin; CrappieLuck; Grammy; JustaDumbBlonde; Red_Devil 232

Hey y’all!

**Haven’t seen her in awhile. Hope she’s ok.**

Was just thinking the same about you, girlangler! How’s it going?

Still here, just enjoying the breathing space that is getting smaller by the minute! We do a lot of store cleaning this time of year, and inventory, and other fun stuff that we don’t have much time for otherwise.

We have to recover our greenhouse this year—the plastic is only good for about 4 years and then it gets milky and doesn’t let in enough light. Double layer, so it takes a few people, and somebody has to mind the store! Greenhouse plastic is like a fire—no matter how calm it is when you start, it attracts wind like moths to a flame, and then it becomes a sail. :)

We’ve got most of our seeds in, and we started some broccoli and cabbage Sat. Late start for us, but the last few years we’ve had a mild Jan and cold Feb and March. We’ve already had people in asking about onions and taters. They should be arriving in about two weeks. Gotta do some lettuce, spinach, chard, brussels sprouts, etc. Ran out of time and daylight—and energy!

We got our figs pruned and have several hundred cuttings started. About 2/3 of them will root. 3 varieties this year and another possible. Also have some yellow Angel trumpets started and some Confederate Roses. They’re leafing out really good.

The weather is up and down, like girlangler’s. 70 one day and 20 the next. I did notice the other day that the oak trees are bronzing up. They’re gonna get zapped next week. Calling for highs in the 30’s.

I really envy those of you that don’t have to fight weeds and insects so much. Here, it’s never ending. Literally, by the time you finish a row and go back to the other end, more weeds have already sprouted. And no insecticides? Forget it. Everything we plant would be gone overnight or ruined beyond salvage! Not spray fruit trees? There’d be no point in planting them. I love living in the sunny south, but it has a few drawbacks.

OTOH, if I could just figure out a profitable market for fireants... LOL Gbaby got into them today picking dandelions.


98 posted on 01/11/2009 12:52:09 PM PST by gardengirl
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Where do you get your landscape fabric? Is this the same stuff I can pick up in rolls a Lowe’s or Home Depot?


99 posted on 01/11/2009 1:05:24 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232
For two years I have purchased the landscape fabric at Sam's. It is a commercial grade and is about twice as thick as anything I have purchased at Home Depot or Lowe's. That is important because I walk up and down the middles all year. It has held up beautifully. If you are gardening on a smaller scale or in a raised bed, the thinner fabric might suffice. We also have purple nutsedge, which will punch through most anything, but it has yet punch through the Preen.

Here's a link to the exact product I've been purchasing:

Preen landscape fabric at Sam's


100 posted on 01/11/2009 1:22:28 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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