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Masonic rituals live on
The Washington Times ^ | 15 Jan 2009 | Julia Duin

Posted on 01/16/2009 9:54:17 AM PST by BGHater

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To: PalmettoMason

You misunderstand my statement. It is not an accusation. It is testimony.


41 posted on 01/17/2009 8:59:39 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Erskine Childers

Albert Pike was not the be all end all of Masonry. That’s just one man’s opinion.


42 posted on 01/17/2009 9:00:30 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: melsec

Same with the establishment of Rhodes Scholars.


43 posted on 01/17/2009 9:01:25 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Chode; patton

That’s the supper degree. :^}D


44 posted on 01/17/2009 9:03:44 AM PST by uglybiker (1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d 2 g3t l41d)
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To: Cvengr
Masons deny membership to those who simply state they believe in God through faith in Christ.

Huh?

Honestly, I really wonder where some people get this garbage.

It'd be nice if more Christians would spend their time facing the challenges of the faithful and less time looking under their beds for Freemasons.

45 posted on 01/17/2009 9:07:25 AM PST by uglybiker (1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d 2 g3t l41d)
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To: PalmettoMason; HangnJudge; uglybiker; slumber1

The question/answer on this thread reads like ION by Plato.

At university we first studied liberally the arts and sciences. After completing the courses we concentrated on our focused studies using the knowledge gathered in the formative years. Meanwhile we built bonds with our classmates, sacrificed for our class, performed outreach, and if we were so honored to achieve, were bestowed leadership duties.

Freemasonry is university for the mind and enlightened tolerance for the soul. If you choose to hate the organization you are free to express that hate. Just thank a F&AM for helping forge this right to hate and express outrage.


46 posted on 01/17/2009 9:16:49 AM PST by egannacht
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To: HangnJudge
All the people I know, however, who are Masons are faithful, kind, and generous

I can say the same thing. It's sometimes hard to make a distinction between what someone believes and the what someone is as a person.

I've met a few of Chicago's most notorious figures. Though I stand 180 degrees from their public positions, they struck me as "faithful, kind, and generous" people.

47 posted on 01/17/2009 9:17:47 AM PST by Barnacle (God help us.)
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To: Eva
My uncle was a 33rd degree Mason, and it seemed as though they had some pretty strange ideas about the after life. I mean, ideas that involved the physical body, not just the soul.

There is nothing in the 33rd about after life [speaking from experience].

As an aside, those who are babbling about "Lucifer" might be interested to know that this entity is not mentioned at all in the bible. The concept of "Lucifer" is as the bringer of light - the first household matches a century and a half ago were called lucifers; the substance in fireflies that produces light is luciferin which is acted upon by an enzyme called luciferase.

48 posted on 01/17/2009 9:20:34 AM PST by curmudgeonII (Vocatus atque non vocatus deus aderit.)
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To: PalmettoMason
Why is it that the Shriners have a no charge hospital in Mexico City, a city that is overwhelmingly Catholic, if the Masons are anti-Catholic?

Perhaps the answer can be found by reading Rudyward Kipling's THE MOTHER LODGE.

49 posted on 01/17/2009 9:28:47 AM PST by oldtimer
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To: curmudgeonII

Actually, I’m relieved to know that my aunt’s statements had nothing to do with Masonry, and probably much to do with her mental degeneration, because I had a few other members of the Masons in my family, as well.


50 posted on 01/17/2009 9:31:51 AM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: PalmettoMason

“and a duty to never cheat, steal from, or defraud a Brother Mason.”

Simply reading this implies that it is conversely OK to “cheat, steal from, or defraud” others.
I would assume that this is not the intent, but why is the quote worded in this manner?


51 posted on 01/17/2009 9:41:00 AM PST by rogator
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To: All
AAAAH!!!!
Even FR is part of the conspiracy!!!


52 posted on 01/17/2009 9:49:43 AM PST by uglybiker (1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d 2 g3t l41d)
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To: Chode

Interesting.


53 posted on 01/17/2009 10:02:13 AM PST by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: rogator
Simply reading this implies that it is conversely OK to “cheat, steal from, or defraud” others. I would assume that this is not the intent, but why is the quote worded in this manner?

Since I don't believe you asked this as one of the "haters", I'd like to answer.

The wording was actually mine, and I paraphrased it badly. We do, however, promise not to cheat one another because we require a special mutual trust.

I can be completely trustworthy to others, but that doesn't mean that I should completely trust them. The mutual trust between Masons is one of the things that makes the fraternity special to many of us. I have no worries about a Brother Mason hitting on my wife. I wouldn't hesitate to hand a Brother a sizable amount of cash to donate for me when "the hat is passed" in my absence. That level of trust is rare throughout the general public.

We are actually self-policing... in that if a Brother knows you to be cheating others or acting in an immoral manner, it is his duty to counsel you on it. If you do not amend the behavior, it is then his duty to bring the situation to the attention of the Lodge.

I hope this clears up my earlier poor wording that may have led to the understanding that it is OK to cheat non-Masons.

Maybe an excerpt from one of the lectures will help clear it up. It is speaking about morality and a Mason's duty to his fellow man:

"...realizing that not only those here in the Lodge, but all men are your brothers".

54 posted on 01/17/2009 10:10:00 AM PST by PalmettoMason ("an empty limousine pulled up in front of the White House, and Barack Obama got out")
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To: Erskine Childers
"V"

It must be wonderful to be such a narrow-minded, ignorant bigot!

I guess My Lord Jesus Christ will be casting me into the pit for being a Mason, lo these many years!

And by the way, the "Lucifer" you referred to is not Satan, you ignorant jerk, it is the "Light Giver" of ancient reference. It is an aligory, but then, narrow-minded, ignorant jerks tend to take things at face value.

55 posted on 01/17/2009 10:11:40 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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To: Chode

Ah, yes! The ancient working tools of the Master Mason! :-)


56 posted on 01/17/2009 10:13:08 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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To: Just mythoughts

There are two “Lucifers”. The most notorious one is Lucifer, the fallen angel. The other, referenced by Freemasonry in aligory only, is the ancient “Light-Giver”. Not the same cat, Daddy-O!


57 posted on 01/17/2009 10:15:39 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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To: LuxMaker
"I have been asked, very subtly I might add, to join, not once but twice. I did my research and know most 33 degree Freemasons are Illuminati and are in communion with extraterrestrial demons. Yes, they gain great insight by doing this, but it is not worth the cost of your soul. "

Whoa! That message had to have been delivered by the aliens in the black helicopters!

You must back through life, terrified of being followed!

58 posted on 01/17/2009 10:17:12 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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To: BonRad
"All Masons take irrational oaths which are anti-God and anti-Patriotic. They are bound by one thing: destruction of Roman Catholicism. They are the ‘anti-Church’."

YOu are so very wrong on so many levels! Most of the Masons I know are profoundly patriotic and devout Christians or Jews! As to destruction of Roman Catholocism, it is just the opposite. The Roman Catholic Oligarcy is scared to death of any organization that questions their mind-control.

59 posted on 01/17/2009 10:20:31 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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To: Redleg Duke
A lot of strange thoughts out there about the Craft and those spouting them can be ever stranger.
60 posted on 01/17/2009 10:27:27 AM PST by Little Bill (Just a Poor White Person , clinging to God, Guns, and the Constitution)
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