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Masonic rituals live on
Washington Times ^

Posted on 01/23/2009 9:26:51 AM PST by mnehring

...One-third of the signers of the Constitution, many of the Bill of Rights signers and America's first few presidents (except for Thomas Jefferson) were Freemasons, a fraternal organization that became public in early 18th-century England.

...Still, as the first president, George Washington had to come up with appropriate rituals for the new country. He borrowed many of them from Masonic rites he knew as "worshipful leader" of a lodge in Alexandria.

His Masonic gavel is on display at the Capitol Visitor Center. Until this inauguration, Washington's Masonic Bible - on which he swore his obligations as a Freemason - was used for the presidential oath of office. President-elect Barack Obama will use Abraham Lincoln's Bible.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: 2b1; freemason; inauguration
Not really pro-Bama, simply a nice historical commentary.
1 posted on 01/23/2009 9:26:52 AM PST by mnehring
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To: uglybiker

ping


2 posted on 01/23/2009 9:27:15 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling
Doing my own family research I have found many ancestors who were members of Masonic Lodges in the 1700 and 1800’s. I've seen pictures of my own GG Grandfathers headstone with the masonic symbol on it. I would bet many of the people who hold wild conspiracy theories about them also could find members among their own ancestors. This is one reason I have a hard time buying in on to all these theories. Yes, I find their rituals bizarre,and something I would not do, but I can say the same about many of the churches that are not of my denomination or faith.
I am not going to belittle our founding fathers or my own ancestors, because they joined a masonic lodge. That's just stupid.
3 posted on 01/23/2009 9:59:15 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: mnehrling

Most people who write for the public about Free Masonry, are not really knowledgeable about the subject.

Most of what was written in this article is factually correct, but short in perspective.

Any attempts to associate Barrack Hussein Obama to Free Masonry are flawed.

Before the organization became public in 1717 it was Anti-Statist and committed to freedom of men.

Many Monarch’s and the Catholic Church at the time despised them because this threatened their power.

Things are different now. The Knights of Columbus in many towns associate with the Free Masons, and most have found a lot of common ground.

If you want to understand this subject converse with someone who is a Mason, not someone who wants to find hidden evil.

I have been a Freemason since I was 21.

Respectfully,

Texas Fossil


4 posted on 01/23/2009 10:00:49 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil; NavyCanDo

You both hit the nail on the head, the conspiracies are simply literary archetypes. Just like with King Arthur legends for example, the little reality in most people’s minds have been replaced by literary fiction. Those stories build other stories, which build other stories. Pretty soon, when one thinks of said subject, they automatically assume the fiction, not the fact.

People drive by a lodge, in their minds they think of secret religious rituals with naked virgins dancing around a fire while we order politicians around... in reality, we are having a pig roast bbq out back while we raise money for Shriner’s hospitals.


5 posted on 01/23/2009 10:08:37 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling
To be quite honest, I found some of the rituals and formalities at my VFW Lodge meeting to be a little bizarre, but that does not make it a cult. The dollar a beer night on Tuesdays though was a ritual I am happy to perform.
6 posted on 01/23/2009 10:22:49 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: mnehrling

> People drive by a lodge, in their minds they think of secret religious rituals with naked virgins dancing around a fire while we order politicians around..

Sounds like my old frathouse. I would’ve joined up if it were.(j/k)


7 posted on 01/23/2009 10:28:31 AM PST by max americana
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To: mnehrling

Who keeps atlants off the map,
who keeps the metric system down
We do, We do


8 posted on 01/23/2009 10:33:29 AM PST by John Will
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To: Texas Fossil

Slainte Mhath!

Keith 187


9 posted on 01/23/2009 10:40:00 AM PST by Vendome
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To: Texas Fossil
Very nice post, Brother.

I have only been a Mason since 2001 and became a Shriner in 2002 but have found many people with strange ideas and beliefs about us.

Their ignorance is quite astounding.

10 posted on 01/23/2009 10:43:24 AM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Vendome

Slàinte Mhath to you also.

de Texas Fossil


11 posted on 01/23/2009 10:46:22 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Chode; TheLion; AxelPaulsenJr; jimt; Eric in the Ozarks; oldtimer; pt17; MeanWestTexan; hershey; ...

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Texas Fossil: "If you want to understand this subject converse with someone who is a Mason, not someone who wants to find hidden evil."

They say 'The Devil's in the details', but then again, so is God.

So the question should be; who are you looking for?

12 posted on 01/23/2009 11:31:46 AM PST by uglybiker (1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d 2 g3t l41d)
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To: uglybiker

You never get Kraft noodles at our meals. I do all the baking myself and we have some really good cooks on board.

We are know to feed better than any lodge in the 91 st district.

Undisputed.

As for the other comments.

I read years ago about a man who’s family did business in the middle east and he stated that over time they had learned “to only associate with those who seek the truth, but run from those who say they have found it.”


13 posted on 01/23/2009 11:46:05 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: mnehrling
our Lodge still says Masonic TEMPLE on the front and that surly has thrown quite a few misconceptions into the mix here as i'm sure elsewhere.
14 posted on 01/23/2009 12:09:21 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: mnehrling
People drive by a lodge, in their minds they think of secret religious rituals with naked virgins dancing around a fire while we order politicians around... in reality, we are having a pig roast bbq out back while we raise money for Shriner’s hospitals...

(no offense) hanging out with old farts makes one yearn for more auspicious happenings.

And the only fires I've seen come from the kitchen. No virgin ritually dances around a kitchen fire let alone a married one.
15 posted on 01/23/2009 12:48:01 PM PST by egannacht
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To: Texas Fossil


16 posted on 01/23/2009 1:14:17 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: uglybiker


17 posted on 01/23/2009 1:20:24 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: Chode

Ya can’t link from Ted’s site directly. :-(


18 posted on 01/23/2009 1:48:18 PM PST by uglybiker (1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d 2 g3t l41d)
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To: mnehrling
I wonder if anyone can share any information or clarification on the Internet rumors that Obama is a member of a “Prince” Lodge?
19 posted on 01/23/2009 1:59:26 PM PST by Species8472 (The evil has landed)
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To: Species8472

Just rumors. If he was a member of a Prince Hall lodge, I imagine that lodge would be shouting it to the high heavens.


20 posted on 01/23/2009 2:18:53 PM PST by uglybiker (1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d 2 g3t l41d)
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To: Species8472

He isn’t. The rumor started when the Prince Hall Lodge was putting on an inauguration ball and fundraiser for any brethren who happened to be in town. In this announcement, they made a specific statement that neither Obama nor Biden where Masons, however, they where invited to the ball.


21 posted on 01/23/2009 3:06:07 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Species8472; uglybiker

Here is the original FR thread on the ball. In the link is the statement of his not being a member.


22 posted on 01/23/2009 3:07:27 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Species8472; uglybiker

Correction on previous, it wasn’t a Prince Hall ball, it was a Grand Lodge hosted ball.


23 posted on 01/23/2009 3:08:42 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling

Thank You


24 posted on 01/23/2009 3:23:56 PM PST by Species8472 (The evil has landed)
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To: mnehrling

Do freemasons not have in their history a vow to prefer fellow freemasons in their non-craft affairs?

Any such organisation is inevitably going to become the subject of conspiracy theories—it’s as inevitable as anti-semitism, and for the same reasons.


25 posted on 01/23/2009 3:34:46 PM PST by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Philo-Junius

No.


26 posted on 01/23/2009 3:39:12 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: uglybiker

I had never heard your suggestion that BO was, but here is a link that suggests he is a 32 degree Prince Hall mason.

http://www.cephas-library.com/masonry_obama_32nd_degree_prince_hall_mason.html

I know nothing about Prince Hall, so cannot say anything about authenticity.


27 posted on 01/23/2009 3:41:47 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

http://books.google.com/books?id=egZrcWFA2T0C&pg=PA221&lpg=PA221&dq=fellow+craft+prefer&source=bl&ots=F-atBDaWq9&sig=mFmkgingk0HTTeeS82Ceo2vfYdI&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result

I think you’re craftily oversimplifying your answer.


28 posted on 01/23/2009 3:47:26 PM PST by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Philo-Junius

No sir.


29 posted on 01/23/2009 3:47:51 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Philo-Junius

Keep reading..


30 posted on 01/23/2009 3:52:56 PM PST by mnehring
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To: uglybiker

At times I seem to answer my own questions:

Found the source on the rumor which follows-

Written by Dzenan Causevic

From http://www.sarajevo-x.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36907

(This is a blog in Sarajevo-)

Suspect it is Croatian, which would explain the negative tone toward Masonry of all kinds. I cannot read the text on most of the blog, only this article.

This article is very suspect. I am now pretty certain it is totally wrong.

Truth in the Balkans is rare.

I have tried to study that region for years to understand why it is so volatile, but came to the conclusion that honest history of the region is impossible. I have sympathy with the Serbs, but hated who ruled them.

A very good friend of mine (also a Mason) knew the area well, his father was from Lebanon. He was stationed in the Balkans after WWII. He spoke Arabic well and was well versed with the conflicts of the region.


31 posted on 01/23/2009 3:57:05 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Philo-Junius
just because he's a Mason, no. but all things being equal plus one is a Mason means i know he's been investigated by his own Lodge and voted in my men that know him and are of good reputation.

so that will always be a tie breaker for me.

32 posted on 01/23/2009 3:58:58 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: Philo-Junius

I read what you referenced and it does not change my original reply.

No.

If you are asking, are you more comfortable dealing with someone you know by reputation, the answer is yes? But not in the context you stated.

Your choice of the words “craftily oversimplifying” suggested intentional deception. Which I do not practice.


33 posted on 01/23/2009 4:20:19 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil
"I have tried to study that region for years to understand why it is so volatile"

You need look no farther than the Ottoman importation of Muzzies to the region.

34 posted on 01/23/2009 4:43:27 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

You are correct, but it is currently more complicated than that.

The Orthodox Christians, Croatian Catholics, and the Muslims have been at war a long time. There have been atrocities that would repulse the most resistant soldier to the point it is a blood feud.

The atrocities that the Muslims did with the SS during WWII were inhuman. The things they are accused to having done in Kosovo are possibly worse. (organ harvesting)

The news that was reported in Bosnia and later in Kosovo by the press, was largely trumped up against the Serbs.

I still do not understand why the international media and our government took the sides that they did.

I know that Milosevic was a commie, but the Serb people were much more in tune with the west.

My point was, that although I prefer the Serb people to the others in the Balkans, there are no good guys there. It is long past that.


35 posted on 01/23/2009 5:46:28 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Philo-Junius

“Do freemasons not have in their history a vow to prefer fellow freemasons in their non-craft affairs?”

Not really. You do get to know and trust other fraternity members, so you end up doing business with them.


36 posted on 02/02/2009 4:24:43 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Defend America from the Communist.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Masonry is a luciferian organization. You should research the organization your affiliated with and ask yourself if you’re a Christian if it violates your devotion to Christ. If not a Christian, then it doesn’t really matter for you anyway. Christians have no business belonging to freemasonry. If you seek to loose yourself from it’s grips I suggest the book THE BONDAGE BREAKER by Neil T. Anderson. Be sure to renounce your oaths to masonry & the oaths of your forefathers. Here is also a site that may help you out if you become enlightened and convicted about your involvement. http://www.christian-faith.com/html/page/renouncing_freemasonry

You may also start your research at this page here:
http://www.cuttingedge.org/free11.html

I hope this information helps you find the right path in life.


37 posted on 02/04/2009 9:32:17 PM PST by MitziRene
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To: MitziRene

I disagree with your conclusion about something you obviously have no first hand knowledge of.

Like my family for the past 4 generations, I was raised as a Southern Baptist. And still have those convictions.

There has been a working relation of trust between the Baptist faith an many Masons in the U.S. since before James Madison was a member of the Virginia House of Burgess before the American revolution. He gained the support of the Baptist in Virginia because he was against the “establishment” of a state religion (Anglican).

There was always a comfort level between the two organizations until about 20 years ago. I was involved in discussion with the Southern Baptist Convention when the leadership tried to make an issue of this.

They paid for a study to see if the two organizations were compatible, and when the person commissioned to look at the history brought in his report. They simply said they did not agree with his conclusion. The historic facts were not what they sought.

I know you do not support a compulsory faith, and I don’t either.

Be cautious about accepting opinions of authors who go on a witch hunt to discredit this group.

Some healthy advice:

Only associate with those who seek the truth, but run from those who say they have found it.


38 posted on 02/06/2009 10:53:31 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

“Some healthy advice:

Only associate with those who seek the truth, but run from those who say they have found it.”

Is what you say true? That is a ridiculous statement that you are making!

If there is truth then it must be absolute. If there is truth, it can be found.
Jesus is The Truth.


39 posted on 02/06/2009 11:02:56 AM PST by Jn316
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To: Jn316

But our understanding of revelation is always growing—like a self-extracting file. One can say one has Truth, but one can never say (and this can be mathematically demonstrated) that one has fully apprehended it.


40 posted on 02/06/2009 11:06:36 AM PST by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Jn316

No argument with what you said about Jesus and the truth.

But, “truth” from men is always suspect.


41 posted on 02/06/2009 11:08:14 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

The top echelon of masonry do swear blood oaths to lucifer as noted by the masonic hero Albert Pike himself, not an outside source. Aleister Crowley a devout satanist and Aldous Huxley, who was instrumental in bringing on the cultural revolution of the 60’s, were all ascended masons along with many others.

If you want to bind yourself to these types of people in secret blood oaths that’s your business, but I’m just telling you I would hope you would reconsider for the sake of your own soul.

You masons should note that the information is out & you can’t stuff it back into the box. People are becoming more and more aware of the dark agenda of masonry and it’s my hope many of it’s low ranking members will be the ones enlightened so they can free themselves from it. If you’re more dedicated to your pride in freemasonry than anything then I guess you better hang on to it, but if not, I beg you to reconsider for your sake.

As far as your healthy advice, I think it’s a mark of your masonry that believes a person can’t find the truth. Jesus said he is the way, the truth and the life & no one goes to the Father but by Him. I take His word for it. So you have to run from those who have found Jesus? How can you be a baptist and hold such a philosophy? It doesn’t make any sense. You can either know the truth & it can set you free, or you must run from people who have found it, which doesn’t sound so healthy, especially for a baptist. You cling to known luciferians yet run from those who have found the truth, Jesus? It doesn’t make any sense.


42 posted on 02/11/2009 12:38:36 AM PST by MitziRene
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