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Windows 7—what's the rush?
Ars Technica ^ | February 3, 2009 | Peter Bright

Posted on 02/03/2009 7:10:52 PM PST by antiRepublicrat

Steven Sinofsky this week reaffirmed that Windows 7 would only have a single public beta release—build 7000, still available for download for a few more days. The current expectation is that there will be a single Release Candidate in April, with RTM around July, and Windows 7 hitting stores a few months later.

This plan marks a significant departure from Microsoft's historic Windows release strategy. Previous editions have had at least two betas and two Release Candidates; even Windows XP, a minor update to Windows 2000, received this treatment. Windows Vista went even further during its extended development period. In addition to formal betas and Release Candidates, a number of "Community Technical Preview" (CTP) releases were made available, to allow third-party developers to track the progress more closely.

How is this even possible?

This condensed release schedule is a result of a new development methodology. Underlying this is Microsoft's new commitment to what the company calls "quality." "Quality" is kind of a vague term—after all, it's not as if the company wants to ship something low-quality, even if it might not always seem that way. In this case, it means six things: device compatibility, application compatibility, performance, reliability, battery life, and security. These are not the only areas of concern for the new OS—things like the user experience and documentation quality are still important, but these six are viewed as fundamental. Windows 7 is intended to raise the bar in each of these areas and, to achieve that, Microsoft has used a new development process for this release.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: 7; getamac; lowqualitycrap; microsoft; trylinux; windows
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Why the rush? Vista sucks, need something people might want to buy.
1 posted on 02/03/2009 7:10:52 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Vista works fine, at least for me.


2 posted on 02/03/2009 7:11:50 PM PST by TV Dinners (Hope is not a Strategy)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Lets go back to Windows 98 SE.


3 posted on 02/03/2009 7:12:19 PM PST by rovenstinez
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To: rovenstinez

Lets get back to BASIC(s). =)


4 posted on 02/03/2009 7:13:22 PM PST by Redcitizen (Good Bank, Bad Bank, I'm the one with the cash.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

It’s about working out the bugs in the software. If they release it worldwide on one day, they will get hit with a gazillion complaints and make them look bad. By slow releasing it, they can get the kinks worked out before it goes out to everyone.


5 posted on 02/03/2009 7:14:30 PM PST by autumnraine
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To: TV Dinners

How do you like the “view”

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861734355/vista.html


6 posted on 02/03/2009 7:16:31 PM PST by Redcitizen (Good Bank, Bad Bank, I'm the one with the cash.)
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To: TV Dinners
Vista works fine, at least for me. Same here. Of all the operating systems of Microsoft I've gone through, and I've been through them all now... Vista has NOT been a problem at all. Not once.
7 posted on 02/03/2009 7:19:53 PM PST by swatbuznik
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To: antiRepublicrat

XP fine for me ... no Visduh ... no Visduh II


8 posted on 02/03/2009 7:21:33 PM PST by webschooner
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To: ShadowAce

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9 posted on 02/03/2009 7:22:38 PM PST by KoRn
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To: swatbuznik

A big 10-4 on Vista, the most trouble free operating system I’ve ever used. Not one single problem, zero, zilch, nada, the best ever.


10 posted on 02/03/2009 7:24:35 PM PST by donaldo
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To: webschooner

Windows 7 is running better in my VM than XP with the same resources allocated.


11 posted on 02/03/2009 7:27:18 PM PST by antiRepublicrat ("I am a firm believer that there are not two sides to every issue..." -- Arianna Huffington)
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To: swatbuznik

I agree with you two guys. I’ve been through all the Windows versions. Everything from playing video games, to downloading porn, watching FOX News, to using Photoshop and Dreamweaver at the same time— Vista has been the absolute best.


12 posted on 02/03/2009 7:27:29 PM PST by exist
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To: TV Dinners
Is Vista really bad or good? I plan on buying a new computer within 2 weeks and I'm seriously debating whether to buy one with no-OS (I have a bootleg copy of XP Pro) or buy one with Vista Home Premium 64-bit.

I've heard horror stories about Vista and then again I heard Vista was excellent for gaming and such.

13 posted on 02/03/2009 7:28:02 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (The Libertarian and Constitution Parties should merge into one)
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To: donaldo
Vista, the most trouble free operating system I’ve ever used.

You are very lucky or Vista is your first operating system.

14 posted on 02/03/2009 7:28:26 PM PST by antiRepublicrat ("I am a firm believer that there are not two sides to every issue..." -- Arianna Huffington)
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To: exist
to downloading porn

ROFL

15 posted on 02/03/2009 7:28:39 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (The Libertarian and Constitution Parties should merge into one)
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To: TV Dinners

Works great for me as well. But then again I don’t follow the drive-by tech media, so I’ve haven’t received the memo that it supposedly sucks!


16 posted on 02/03/2009 7:30:38 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: antiRepublicrat

Still on XP here. Gonna skip over Vista and go straight to Windows 7.


17 posted on 02/03/2009 7:31:07 PM PST by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: antiRepublicrat; Swordmaker; ShadowAce
Have you seen that there will be SIX Win7 SKUs?
  1. Enterprise -- all features, for large companies
  2. Ultimate -- all features, for individuals
  3. Professional -- some features missing
  4. Home Premium -- more features missing
  5. Home Basic -- most features missing, no Aero, previous low-water mark for Vista
  6. Starter Edition -- nearly everything missing, can only launch 3 application MAX.
And the punchline is that Win7 is supposed to run on "netbooks", right? Well guess which SKU is targeted specifically at Netbooks?

You guessed it -- "Starter Edition". What a crock. "Cheap but useless."

By comparison, the one-and-only SKU, full-featured version of OS-X sells for $129, or $199 in 5-user family-packs. Even at $129, full-feature OS-X is less expensive than Win7 Home Basic.

Reference: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/04/windows_7_skus/

18 posted on 02/03/2009 7:31:09 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

Pretty much identical to the Vista versions.


19 posted on 02/03/2009 7:32:20 PM PST by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

It’s true I mean I’m sure a lot of us download porn and Vista allows me to do my work or watch Fox News while it downloads in the background. And I don’t get any viruses either, at least on the computer, so Vista’s ok with me.


20 posted on 02/03/2009 7:33:55 PM PST by exist
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To: dayglored
Clarification:

> ...Even at $129, full-feature OS-X is less expensive than Win7 Home Basic.

Assuming Win7 is priced about like Vista was.

21 posted on 02/03/2009 7:34:24 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
Where's the "Not this crap again" graphic? Looks like Microsoft's programming team may have gotten itself in order, but its marketing department remains clueless. To paraphrase a Jobs joke, OS X Snow Leopard will have the following versions: Each version will have the full feature set. We think you'll pick "Enterprise" or "Ultimate."
22 posted on 02/03/2009 7:35:55 PM PST by antiRepublicrat ("I am a firm believer that there are not two sides to every issue..." -- Arianna Huffington)
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To: antiRepublicrat

.... or you know what your doing :)


23 posted on 02/03/2009 7:36:27 PM PST by TV Dinners (Hope is not a Strategy)
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To: RepublitarianRoger2
> Pretty much identical to the Vista versions.

"Windows 7? This isn't Windows 7. This is Windows Vista, with 'Vista' crossed out, and '7' written in crayon!?!?!"

24 posted on 02/03/2009 7:36:43 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
I've been PCing since Windows 3.1.

Vista is a-okay with me. I run it at home and work. Very stable. Nice features. It just works.

25 posted on 02/03/2009 7:38:40 PM PST by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: antiRepublicrat
> Where's the "Not this crap again" graphic?

> To paraphrase a Jobs joke,...

Yes, I'll have "Ultimate OS-X", please...

26 posted on 02/03/2009 7:39:57 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: TV Dinners
Vista works fine, at least for me.

Same here, but it is quite bloated compared to XP.

27 posted on 02/03/2009 7:41:54 PM PST by meyer (We are all John Galt)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Is Vista really bad or good? I plan on buying a new computer within 2 weeks and I'm seriously debating whether to buy one with no-OS (I have a bootleg copy of XP Pro) or buy one with Vista Home Premium 64-bit.

I'll ignore the bootleg aspect. Believe it or not, I say get Vista.

If you get Vista Whatever with the system you will pay less than half the price of buying retail. Then when 7 comes out you will probably pay 1/3 for an upgrade, less if Microsoft has some promotion to win back customers it lost with Vista. Basically, you'll probably end up paying a bit less for Vista and the 7 upgrade than you would buying 7 at full retail.

This doesn't apply if you get your hands on a legit Windows 7 OEM copy in the first place. Local computer stores are often nice enough to sell them.

28 posted on 02/03/2009 7:42:18 PM PST by antiRepublicrat ("I am a firm believer that there are not two sides to every issue..." -- Arianna Huffington)
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To: dayglored

lol... the OSX comparision...

I can buy a 299.99 laptop (from multiple hardware vendors mind you) with windows.... by the time windows7 is ready, same laptop will be 249.99...
find me a Mac notebook that is 299.99 and I’ll by another copy of OSX just for back up...
fwiw.. I have OSX 10.5 running on a 4 year old dell d600... works pretty well, nice OS... seems rediculous to pay such a premium for the hardware... what’s Apple scared of, supporting more than 2 chipset configs?


29 posted on 02/03/2009 7:42:46 PM PST by TV Dinners (Hope is not a Strategy)
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To: antiRepublicrat

They’re still selling a lot of XP O/Ss.


30 posted on 02/03/2009 7:42:47 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: PackerBoy

DOS 3.x.

Of course you were actually using some version of DOS too if you were using Windows 3.x.


31 posted on 02/03/2009 7:47:05 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: donaldo
“Not one single problem, zero, zilch, nada, the best ever.”

Yeah, but everyone loves the first OS they ever have on their first new computer......

32 posted on 02/03/2009 7:47:23 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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To: exist

“Vista has been the absolute best.”

Bill would have like to know that before they shelled out the money for the Mojave commercials.


33 posted on 02/03/2009 7:49:11 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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To: TV Dinners
> ...seems rediculous to pay such a premium for the hardware... what’s Apple scared of, supporting more than 2 chipset configs?

Not scared; it's just not their business model.

Apple sells SYSTEMS, not software. The hardware and software are designed by Apple to work together. The result is a great experience for most users.

Apple would lose bigtime if they tried to sell OS-X for J-Random hardware-du-jour machines. Their business model is based on being a smaller player, for folks who want their particular feature mix.

34 posted on 02/03/2009 7:49:42 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: JSteff

Vista works ok, it’s just pathetically slow.


35 posted on 02/03/2009 7:50:36 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Give me Liberty or give me something to aim at)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Don’t listen to them... they are paid by the Vista team. XP is still the best. That is why MS had to rush with 7.

7 will perform like XP in many ways, but have visual capabilities like Vista.


36 posted on 02/03/2009 7:52:07 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“to downloading porn “

That is why it worked so well for him. He was busy to notice it’s short comings....


37 posted on 02/03/2009 7:53:55 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
> They’re still selling a lot of XP O/Ss.

They're certainly not selling a lot of Vista O/Ss:


Win XP    64%
Win Vista 22%
Mac OS X   9%
...
Reference: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10
38 posted on 02/03/2009 7:54:31 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
“the one-and-only SKU, full-featured version of OS-X sells for $129”

Yeah but that is the license for one year and only after you send Steve pictures of you wife with an iPod in the bath tub.

39 posted on 02/03/2009 7:57:57 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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To: dayglored

OSX is just flavor of linux...
Business Model or not, OSX runs fine on the SAME intel hardware they charge 1.5X for.


40 posted on 02/03/2009 7:58:05 PM PST by TV Dinners (Hope is not a Strategy)
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To: JSteff; Extremely Extreme Extremist

http://www.dealsofamerica.com/

I look at this site daily. I laugh at all the computers that have the selling point “Windows XP Downgrade”.

People are looking for computers with XP because Vista is a pain in the butt.


41 posted on 02/03/2009 8:04:02 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: JSteff
> Yeah but that is the license for one year and only after you send Steve pictures of you wife with an iPod in the bath tub.

Actually the license is good forever (though support will eventually drop).

The part about the iPod and the bathtub is news to me, but it wouldn't surprise me either... ;-)

42 posted on 02/03/2009 8:05:11 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: TV Dinners
> OSX is just flavor of linux...

Are you high or joking? That statement is so ill-informed as to be grounds for PWI (Posting While Intoxicated).

> Business Model or not, OSX runs fine on the SAME intel hardware they charge 1.5X for.

No argument there. Personally I find Apple's hardware electromechanically robust and pleasing to my tastes. Since your mileage clearly varies, that's cool with me.

43 posted on 02/03/2009 8:07:51 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
” iPod and the bathtub “

Okay I made that up, but she would need to send a bathtub picture with an iPhone.

44 posted on 02/03/2009 8:13:41 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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To: JSteff

The most stable early Dos was Dos 2.0s on my Atari 800 back in 1980.


45 posted on 02/03/2009 8:18:36 PM PST by Blue Highway
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To: antiRepublicrat

I’ll use it if Bill will pay me $100 a day for me to beta test it for him.


46 posted on 02/03/2009 8:21:11 PM PST by right way right (Do not mistake Religion for God.)
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To: JSteff
> ...she would need to send a bathtub picture with an iPhone.

That's seriously kinky, dude.

47 posted on 02/03/2009 8:22:10 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: rovenstinez

Bring back Quarterdeck’s DeskView.


48 posted on 02/03/2009 8:22:49 PM PST by Mojave ("Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee!")
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To: JSteff

This is my third OS and I couldn’t be more pleased, so far, at least.


49 posted on 02/03/2009 8:25:52 PM PST by donaldo
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To: antiRepublicrat

Avoid the rush. Install Linux instead


50 posted on 02/03/2009 8:31:50 PM PST by Clive
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