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Windows 7—what's the rush?
Ars Technica ^ | February 3, 2009 | Peter Bright

Posted on 02/03/2009 7:10:52 PM PST by antiRepublicrat

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To: daniel1212
Author is a Christian, but who no longer supports the app, which he wrote as a teenager.

Huh? You really lost me with that sentence.

81 posted on 02/04/2009 9:16:53 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: js1138

I think the problem here is that Windows users didn’t get a paid upgrade worth paying for during all those years.

I’m not sure how many Mac users upgrade, but I’d bet the instance is pretty high.


82 posted on 02/04/2009 10:54:44 AM PST by antiRepublicrat ("I am a firm believer that there are not two sides to every issue..." -- Arianna Huffington)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Got the Beta - roger on the IE8 frustration but otherwise it's fairly impressive, response-wise. I'll probably be changing over from Vista at home, which generally I do like, just for the speed increase. And upgrading to 64-bit so I can poke the memory slots full.

What has happened in the meantime, however, should be instructive to Microsoft marketeers - nearly everything I do is now under either Mint or Mepis Linuxes (the plural should probably be "Linuces" but I digress) running Open Office. Those two versions give me the codecs and other goodies without struggling with install packages, and that's where Microsoft used to beat Linux (I thought, anyway). No more. What would I give up if I stopped working Microsoft OS's altogether? A couple games and Turbotax, which seems stubbornly unwilling to run under the versions of Linux I'm using. That's it.

It won't happen because I have to support a lot of Microsoft users here at work, but should that ever change Win7 had better be ready to dance with the penguins.

83 posted on 02/04/2009 11:43:26 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: antiRepublicrat

http://gigapple.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/os-major.png

Indicates 55% are at 10.4, and 44% at 10.5.

It would be interesting to know how many 10.5 users are upgrades and how many are initial purchases.


84 posted on 02/04/2009 3:29:13 PM PST by js1138
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To: Still Thinking

I meant he moved on to college (Netherlands), and so while the program is still available, he does not provide email, etc. support for it. I first installed is way back in my W/95 days, and stay in periodical contact with him.


85 posted on 02/04/2009 5:56:21 PM PST by daniel1212 ( "O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD." (Jer 22:29))
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To: Clive

I am for Linux, and commend them for what has been accomplished, and hope they can do more, but often the promotion of it as a replacement fore Windows is misleading (just read the help forums). I have tried about all the top Linux distros, but besides needing to learn coding for many things that should be GUI by now, and hardware issues, etc., i cannot get R+W privileges to my 3 NTFS Windows drives, despite running scripts offered on the help forums (i could access them if the driver was installed). In addition, using codecs necessary to encode/play mpeg2, wmv etc. file is illegal in the U.S., unless you buy them. Both these problems are due to proprietary issues, but presents some real drawback for Windows power user types.


86 posted on 02/04/2009 6:15:16 PM PST by daniel1212 ( "O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD." (Jer 22:29))
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To: antiRepublicrat; exist
You guys got me sold then. My next computer will have Vista!

FReepers rock!

87 posted on 02/04/2009 6:17:46 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (The Libertarian and Constitution Parties should merge into one)
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To: js1138
If you pay the retail price for Windows you get a license that allows you to move the OS from one computer to another indefinitely.

Yeah, but only after (and to be totally accurate, if) Microsoft grants you permission by activating the install.

You legitimately paid for it. You're not pirating it. You still need to ask for permission to use it. This fact is what initially started me on my road from happy Win2k user to very happy Linux user.

88 posted on 02/04/2009 6:42:55 PM PST by MichiganMan (Look I know you need that big vehicle to...compensate. But dont then whine about the cost to fill it)
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To: antiRepublicrat

You are speaking to my situation. I have 4gb ram, and with PAE enabled it does show 4gb in system properties in Vista (not so under XP) but it evidently does not use it. As a result, i am often down to single digits in free ram, as i usually run 3 or 4 browsers (incldg. 2 instances of FF simultaneously) while working on a research project, plus some other heavy apps.

The mobo itself has a max of 4gb (and it’s supposed to with 1gb sticks, but i have two of those and one 2gb stick). I wonder if Linux can handle all 4gb? Vista is slow, even after a clean install.


89 posted on 02/04/2009 6:56:11 PM PST by daniel1212 ( "O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD." (Jer 22:29))
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To: daniel1212
i cannot get R+W privileges to my 3 NTFS Windows drives, despite running scripts offered on the help forums (i could access them if the driver was installed)

Now be fair here. How easy would it be to have R+W access to ext3 Linux drives from Windows?

90 posted on 02/04/2009 6:57:29 PM PST by MichiganMan (Look I know you need that big vehicle to...compensate. But dont then whine about the cost to fill it)
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To: MichiganMan

Very easy. Linux reader. But maybe you cannot use it, as the EULA is politically correct.

“Without limiting the foregoing, use, display or
distribution of this SOFTWARE together with material that is ...racist (in the UK, this is broad)... promoting hatred,
discriminating or displaying prejudice based on religion, ...sexual orientation is strictly prohibited.”
http://www.diskinternals.com/linux-reader/

Though i am not promoting hatred, truth is exclusive by nature, and it promotes prejudice toward that which opposes it, and toward homosex as a sin that requires repentance, so i think my web site (peacebyjesus.com) would be considered in violation of the EULA.

But i did write them, and they said i could still use it.


91 posted on 02/04/2009 7:11:09 PM PST by daniel1212 ( "O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD." (Jer 22:29))
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To: daniel1212

Correction. It was a long time ago that i used Linux reader, and i thought then that i was able to both R+W from and to Linux from Windows.

Another freeware app allows reading and writing access to files and directories of volumes with the Ext2 or Ext3 file system. http://www.fs-driver.org/faq.html

More info here.


92 posted on 02/04/2009 7:26:42 PM PST by daniel1212 ( "O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD." (Jer 22:29))
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To: daniel1212
Very easy. Linux reader. But maybe you cannot use it, as the EULA is politically correct.

“Without limiting the foregoing, use, display or
distribution of this SOFTWARE together with material that is ...racist (in the UK, this is broad)... promoting hatred,
discriminating or displaying prejudice based on religion, ...sexual orientation is strictly prohibited.”
http://www.diskinternals.com/linux-reader/

Though i am not promoting hatred, truth is exclusive by nature, and it promotes prejudice toward that which opposes it, and toward homosex as a sin that requires repentance, so i think my web site (peacebyjesus.com) would be considered in violation of the EULA.

But i did write them, and they said i could still use it.

Wow.  Heh.  Ok, I have to say I wasn't aware of Linux reader, much less its... interesting EULA. hrmm.

In any event, you forgot the W part of R+W access.Linux Reader is for Read only access of ext3 file system patititons. If I recall correctly, the first version of Ubuntu I tried back in 2005 gave me hassle free Read access to my NTFS Win2k drive by auto-mounting the partition.  Write access to NTFS in Linux has only recently started to mature. 

93 posted on 02/04/2009 7:28:02 PM PST by MichiganMan (Look I know you need that big vehicle to...compensate. But dont then whine about the cost to fill it)
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To: swatbuznik
Of all the operating systems of Microsoft I've gone through, and I've been through them all now... Vista has NOT been a problem at all. Not once.

I'm running Vista Home Premium on a Quad-Core 2.6Ghz and 4GB of ram. Aside from being a memory hog, It runs fine, runs all my old programs just fine, and as of this post the machine has been up and running 22 days, 23 hours, 10 minutes, 30 seconds without having to reboot.

XP on this same machine required a reboot about every 10 days.

94 posted on 02/04/2009 7:31:33 PM PST by usconservative (The Stock Markets dropped 4% on Inauguration Day. That's a historic Presidency indeed!!)
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To: antiRepublicrat

For what it’s worth, which may not be much.

Windows 7 put up against Vista and XP in hardcore multicore benchmarks, XP wins

http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/22/windows-7-put-up-against-vista-and-xp-in-hardcore-multicore-benc?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_downloadsquad


95 posted on 02/04/2009 8:01:03 PM PST by daniel1212 ( "O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD." (Jer 22:29))
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To: daniel1212
Windows 7 put up against Vista and XP in hardcore multicore benchmarks, XP wins

Not bad with Windows 7 still in beta. I wonder what the speed will be like when they strip out all the extra error collection and reporting code.

96 posted on 02/04/2009 8:11:45 PM PST by antiRepublicrat ("I am a firm believer that there are not two sides to every issue..." -- Arianna Huffington)
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To: MichiganMan

2005” Th NTFS driver would have barely come out around then if i am not mistaken

“Write access to NTFS in Linux has only recently started to mature.”

When it does, and can provide the ease of functionality of Vista’s disk management, and consistent cross platform power management, which, along with promising speech recognition and overall stability, are things that make Vista preferable to XP (despite the latter’s speed), and has greater ease of configuration, then Linux may find wider acceptance. If America has not been faced catastrophic judgment by God by then.


97 posted on 02/04/2009 8:23:01 PM PST by daniel1212 ( "O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD." (Jer 22:29))
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To: antiRepublicrat

We will have to see if that itself could so it. See page 2 As hardware advances, then an upgraded OS is more viable. Speed is an issue with me


98 posted on 02/04/2009 8:40:01 PM PST by daniel1212 ( "O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD." (Jer 22:29))
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To: daniel1212; MichiganMan
I have always been able to read NTFS partitions from Linux, including showing and using the file icons. I have never been able to read a Linux partition from Windows.

To solve the problem when I was running a dual boot I simply made a small VFAT partition to use as a file transfer and common file partition. This partition could be read and written from Linux and Windows. I did the same thing when I was running my business using OS/2 as its operating system.

This is no longer needed, Simply install ntfs-3g and establish your Windows partitions as filesystem ntfs-3g, In my Mandriva 2008.1 system I no longer have or need a VFAT partition.

The problem was with Windows, not Linux. So far as Linux is concerned, it can read and write the ntfs-3g partition as if it were a native Linux partition. Windows thinks that the ntfs-3g partition is just a ntfs partition and thinks that the Linux partitions do not exist.

99 posted on 02/04/2009 10:16:59 PM PST by Clive
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To: Clive

The issue was not reading, as i used the ntfs-3g, driver but R+W, as Linux locked me out of modifying my own files, and right clicking to gain permissions was in vain. As detailed, freeware is available to R+W to Linux from Windows, but i have not found a script that would allow full R+W privileges to my Windows drives.

Your VFAT solution is good, as what i do in dual booting Vista and XP is to share the same Firefox profile (actually, 2, as i run 2 instances of FF at once) folder between both, as well as the auto correct file (etc.) for Open Office. If i used a Fat32 drive or partition and put them in that, then i could configure Linux to share that. But finding how may take some time. Looking for more drive space as it is right now.

As far as Windows not recognizing Linux, XP also does not recognize the Vista system restore point files, and deletes them when you boot into it.


100 posted on 02/05/2009 7:27:45 AM PST by daniel1212 ( "O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD." (Jer 22:29))
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