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Four Firearms Every Family Should Own: When the World Comes Crashing Down, Protect You and Yours
Associated Content ^ | 10/10/2008 | Loran Montgomery

Posted on 02/19/2009 1:32:54 PM PST by terabyte

Given the instability of the world today and the very real possibility of worldwide economic collapse, let us accept that every family should own at least one firearm. There are more reasons, of course, and those have been discussed ad nausaeum on more websites than could possibly benamed here. Since our budgets will allow most of us to own only a few (or potentially just one) firearm, we should choose wisely.

The criteria is simple. The firearm must be very simple to operate. Ammunition must be plentiful, even in a scenario in which law enforcement and traditional retail markets have broken down. The firearm must be inexpensive, versatile, and be completely reliable. Each of the four firearms listed below has good marks in each of those five categories. There are too many excellent firearms on the market to compromise on any of those criteria.

1. The first firearm in any home should be the American standby, the twelve-gauge pump shotgun. There are numerous makes and models on the market, but the best is the venerable Remington 870. With easy-to-change barrels, it can switch duty from defending the home to putting food on the table in less than a minute. With the ability to fire a wide variety of birdshot, buckshot, and slugs, it can handle hunting duties from all but the smallest of small game up to deer-sized animals. Its stopping power is legendary. There is very little this shotgun cannot do. Buy one inexpensive 870 for around $250, and then simply purchase an extra barrel or two for the ultimate in versatility.

2. The second firearm in a home should be a high-quality pistol. The pistol should be in a caliber no smaller than 9mm Parabellum. Anything smaller than that is simply ineffective for anything other than target practice.

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Great article!
1 posted on 02/19/2009 1:32:55 PM PST by terabyte
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To: terabyte

No 50 cal?


2 posted on 02/19/2009 1:33:58 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: terabyte

Good article, and timely: I just received my License to Carry today!


3 posted on 02/19/2009 1:34:24 PM PST by Zeddicus
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To: Zeddicus

BUMP


4 posted on 02/19/2009 1:35:11 PM PST by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: terabyte
Part of your Waco Defense Kit.


5 posted on 02/19/2009 1:36:10 PM PST by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: Zeddicus

License to carry? You mean concealed?


6 posted on 02/19/2009 1:37:32 PM PST by ronnyquest ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: terabyte
Every child should know how to operate one of these, in case a liberal gets out of control


7 posted on 02/19/2009 1:37:32 PM PST by Guns
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To: Zeddicus

Take your license out for a spin, leave the gun at home. That’s what I did for a month before actually packing. GO slow, stay safe. My wife did the same.

Just went to the range last night, the wife is becoming a hot shot with her GLock 19.

I got my four.


8 posted on 02/19/2009 1:37:34 PM PST by Tarpon (If you don't stand on principle, you stand for nothing at all.)
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To: Chickensoup

$400 for an AK ?


9 posted on 02/19/2009 1:37:53 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: terabyte

Gotta disagree with the author on several points.

(2) — he doesn’t even mention wheelguns. I would highly recommend something like a good, used .357 revolver, because they’re simple, reliable, and in variants with a long enough barrel suitable for hunting. .44 Mag is too much, .41 Mag is too difficult to find ammo for.

(4) I’d recommend a bolt gun over a semi-auto every time. They’re more accurate, more reliable and for beginning shooters, they force a consideration of the shot rather than an attitude of “oh, I can follow up quickly.” There’s tons of bolt guns out there in ‘06 or ‘06-class rounds that are popular, or .308.

I completely agree with his recommendation of a 12-ga first, tho. If someone has the budget for only one firearm, make it a reliable 12ga.


10 posted on 02/19/2009 1:38:23 PM PST by NVDave
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To: terabyte
The mini 14 is also a good one to have handy.


11 posted on 02/19/2009 1:39:05 PM PST by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Pre-election publication date.


12 posted on 02/19/2009 1:39:10 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: terabyte

Except for the Ruger 10-22, I have ‘em (along with 6 other shotguns and another pistol) and I don’t even have a family.


13 posted on 02/19/2009 1:41:22 PM PST by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Yeah that’s what I said.


14 posted on 02/19/2009 1:43:14 PM PST by toeknee32
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To: rednesss

This is my next purchase.


15 posted on 02/19/2009 1:43:47 PM PST by toeknee32
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To: terabyte
I've laid in a nice supply of these for the 870:

That's a 65 cal. ball w/6#1 buckshot. Just in case some Zombies attack.

16 posted on 02/19/2009 1:43:56 PM PST by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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To: ronnyquest

Yeah, in MA, a LTC is concealed-carry. There are a couple different licensing levels here, I figured I may as well go for the top license - unrestricted Class-A. Fortunately I live in a town with a Chief of Police that has no problem issuing such licenses. (This is a “may-issue” state and the Chief can impose completely arbitrary standards of “suitability” and various restrictions)

Every single eligible citizen should go take the time to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.


17 posted on 02/19/2009 1:44:08 PM PST by Zeddicus
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To: terabyte
1. Mossberg 12Gauge Model 500 Home Defense Persuader

2. Hi-Point 9mm pistol (ammo cheaper than other sizes)

3. Ruger 22 Mark II or III pistol

4. Ruger 10/22 rifle with over/under scope and 30 shot clip

5. Remington Model 742 30-06 semi-auto rifle with over/under scope.

18 posted on 02/19/2009 1:44:11 PM PST by OB1kNOb (Obamunism Sux.)
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To: NVDave

Actually he does mention wheelguns and says they are too hard to reload. I think most 5 year olds could master a speedloader. And that’s the thing ... a wheelgun is pretty simple for a novice to use. Sure, slapping in a magazine is easier than a wheelgun reload, but how about clearing a jam or dealing with a misfire? Then suddenly the Glock is a Block for most family members.


19 posted on 02/19/2009 1:44:22 PM PST by NonValueAdded (May God save America from its government; this is no time for Obamateurs)
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To: NVDave
he doesn’t even mention wheelguns.

Not exactly... from the article:
Although oceans of ink have been printed on the best pistol forpersonal and home use, most of the arguments come down to either a revolver of some sort, something in the Glock family or a Colt 1911-style pistol.

The author mentions that there are lots of choices out there, but clearly states his personal preference.

20 posted on 02/19/2009 1:44:49 PM PST by Terabitten (To all RINOs: You're expendable. Sarah isn't.)
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To: terabyte
.32 Beretta pistol

.45 Springfield 1911A1 pistol

30-30 Winchester Model 94 lever action

12ga. Winchester Defender pump.

IMHO

21 posted on 02/19/2009 1:45:00 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Who's the more foolish, the fool, or the fool who follows him?")
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To: terabyte

bfl


22 posted on 02/19/2009 1:45:05 PM PST by tnlibertarian (Wealth is earned, not distributed.)
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To: terabyte

When the SHTF this will be my bug out group:

1) AR-15
2) M1A
3) 1911/XD


23 posted on 02/19/2009 1:45:06 PM PST by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: 12Gauge687
9mm = .45 set on stun.
24 posted on 02/19/2009 1:45:06 PM PST by FBRhawk (Pray with faith, act with courage, never surrender!)
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To: terabyte

Did my own blog post months ago about the four firearms, in a $1000 budget. This is what I had in order:

Shotgun - Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 - $175 (less if shopped)
Pistol - Kel-Tec PF-9 - $270 (slightly used)
Rifle – Mossberg ATR - $300 (new)
Rifle – Remington 10/22 - $250 (new)

Total ~$995


25 posted on 02/19/2009 1:45:40 PM PST by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: terabyte

I don’t see anything good for long-range hunting of game the size of deer and up. No 30.06 or something else in that class.

Also, a Marlin is a better choice than the 10/22. It’s the most plentiful .22 rifle in the world with over 10 million sold, so parts are very easy to come by. It also carries 18 rounds.


26 posted on 02/19/2009 1:47:08 PM PST by antiRepublicrat ("I am a firm believer that there are not two sides to every issue..." -- Arianna Huffington)
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To: conservativeharleyguy

Mmmm....zombies! BTT.


27 posted on 02/19/2009 1:47:31 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: 12Gauge687

Unfortunately, I sold every one of mine years ago.


28 posted on 02/19/2009 1:47:48 PM PST by ataDude (My incredulity has already turned into disillusionment and is now turning into hatred.)
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To: NonValueAdded; terabyte
Actually he does mention wheelguns and says they are too hard to reload.

Actually, that's not what he says in the article. He says, quote: "I would not recommend a revolver because any revolver requires more practice to reload quickly than most people are willing to give." He didn't say it was hard, he said it was hard to do as quickly as a semiauto.

29 posted on 02/19/2009 1:48:34 PM PST by Terabitten (To all RINOs: You're expendable. Sarah isn't.)
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To: NVDave
He mentions revolvers, but comes down in favor of a semi-auto for the speed of reloading. Since he kept the list to four weapons, I could come down on either side of the revolver/semi-auto. Revolvers don't jam like a semi-auto, but do take longer to reload.

I don't know how long this has been out, but a couple of other Freeps and I have posted very similar lists in the last few days. Where we varied from him was that we said have a revolver and a semi pistol, revolver in the .357 range and the pistol in .40 or .45, we also recommended a .22 pistol. A couple of guys recommended something in a .223, as if it's really an end of civilization scenario, most of the ammo available will probably be stuff scavanged from NATO or UN sources.

Whether bolt or semi-auto on the rifle is not a huge consideration to me. I have semi-auto, so will stick to it. If I had bolt, I'd stick to it.

30 posted on 02/19/2009 1:49:01 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I’m in middle TN and the Walmart’s are stripped of guns and Ammo (ALL)This may be another case of to little to late for many in the preparation dept.

I’m also in law enforcement and have no problem with home defense, it is the law of the land IMHO. The level of action needing a weapon will be when the food runs out, those out of food, with or without weapons, will come for those with food and their weapons; those with the defense weapons will defend their food supply and family. I hope it never comes to this but in the situation at hand we never know.


31 posted on 02/19/2009 1:50:09 PM PST by PROSOUTH ( Deo Vindice "God Will Vindicate")
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To: terabyte

bump for later


32 posted on 02/19/2009 1:50:14 PM PST by Kryptonite (Keep Democrats Out of Power!)
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To: terabyte

I couldn’t agree more with this article.


33 posted on 02/19/2009 1:50:27 PM PST by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: NVDave
What you said.

Exactly what you said, as a matter of fact.

I'll take a pump shotgun, .357 revolver, .30-06 bolt-action and a nice, high quality Kimber .22 myself.

Basic, easy to clean and maintain, they'll shoot any ammo ('specially the revolver(s)) and difficult to break.

AND THEY DON'T GO FLINGING YOUR EMPTIES ALL OVER THE PLACE WHEN YOU GO SHOOTING!

(JMHO. YMMV.)

34 posted on 02/19/2009 1:51:43 PM PST by OKSooner ("He's quite mad, you know." - Sean Connery to Honor Blackman in "Goldfinger".)
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To: terabyte

I have all those already. But now I’m bored.


35 posted on 02/19/2009 1:53:25 PM PST by ottbmare (Ein reich, ein volk, ein Obama!)
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To: cowboyway
I'm actually selling my AR and getting this:

PTR91SC

I want something with a little more knock down power.
36 posted on 02/19/2009 1:53:45 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Richard Kimball
A couple of guys recommended something in a .223, as if it's really an end of civilization scenario, most of the ammo available will probably be stuff scavanged from NATO or UN sources.

My end-of-civilization rifle is a .223, for exactly that reason.

37 posted on 02/19/2009 1:53:53 PM PST by Terabitten (To all RINOs: You're expendable. Sarah isn't.)
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To: terabyte

The shotgun is a great tip, but for smaller and/or more dainty women, perhaps a 20 gauge would be more realistic. For home defense, if your lady has to plug a perp from 15 or 20 feet, a direct hit with a shot gun will put the guy down, and I mean DOWN, even if it’s a “mere” 20 G. And the recovery time will make it much easier to get that next shot ready to go, for small women.


38 posted on 02/19/2009 1:53:58 PM PST by willgolfforfood
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To: terabyte

I guess I’m covered then.


39 posted on 02/19/2009 1:54:06 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: Domandred
Shotgun--Winchester Defender
.22 pistol--Any of several Ruger models
30.06 --I like Remington
.45 --Glock model 29
.22 Rifle -- Remington nylon stock
Revolver -- S&W Model 36 (small enough to conceal. Only used for close range defense anyway.)
40 posted on 02/19/2009 1:54:34 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: terabyte

Thanks for posting this, honey. You rock!!!


41 posted on 02/19/2009 1:54:34 PM PST by Terabitten (To all RINOs: You're expendable. Sarah isn't.)
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To: Tarpon

You make a good point with “Take your license out for a spin, leave the gun at home.” Not that I necessarily believe you need a license for a right, you do need to realize the responsibility you are about to exercise.


42 posted on 02/19/2009 1:54:48 PM PST by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: terabyte
FWIW, each time I have visited Wall-Mart in the last two weeks, I have noticed that they are basically out of ammo.

I only have a Ruger .367 and Remington .22 with a good stock of ammo. I would like to add a Glock 9MM, but wonder if it is too late to buy ammo for it.

43 posted on 02/19/2009 1:54:57 PM PST by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: Zeddicus

congrats! know the laws of your area/state and federal well, one slip up can land ya in the big house for while.


44 posted on 02/19/2009 1:55:36 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: terabyte

Remington 1100 check
Winchester 243 (bolt) check
357 Revolver check
Compound bow Check.
Bring it on beyotches. My dog will let me know your there well in advance.


45 posted on 02/19/2009 1:57:14 PM PST by DogBarkTree (Sometimes you have to let it go in order to get a Grip.)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
each time I have visited Wall-Mart in the last two weeks, I have noticed that they are basically out of ammo.

People are picking up ammo with their regular shopping now. My Walmart is basically out of ammo too, but the big-5 across the street had plenty.

46 posted on 02/19/2009 1:57:35 PM PST by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: randomhero97
I'm actually selling my AR and getting this: PTR91SC I want something with a little more knock down power.

Nice, but, why do you have to sell the AR?

47 posted on 02/19/2009 1:58:43 PM PST by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: stevio

Yep, you nailed it, get past the euphoria of carrying before you do.

Agree with the ‘no need’, but it is what it is.


48 posted on 02/19/2009 1:58:44 PM PST by Tarpon (If you don't stand on principle, you stand for nothing at all.)
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To: stevio

very well said.


49 posted on 02/19/2009 2:03:34 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: Terabitten
You know, what's a little disturbing about this to me is that we're discussing this in the same way as if we were making plans for a camping trip.

We aren't the people who have spent the last thirty years standing on street corners shouting at nobody. We're calm, rational, reasonable people, and we're starting to consider civilization collapse in the same way we've discussed market downturns and foreign affairs in the past. In my mind, it's past "crazy" and "theoretically it could happen" to "it's possible." In some cities, I think it's past "it's possible" to "how soon?"

50 posted on 02/19/2009 2:05:57 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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