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EMINENT DOMAIN GIVEN TO CHINA (HOAX: Original source: Hal Turner, see #28, 31)
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Posted on 02/28/2009 4:33:45 PM PST by rocco55

Edited on 03/01/2009 5:59:06 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

This seems too outlandish to be true, but news source appears legitimate.

"The time for partisan bickering just ended. This is as serious as a heart attack. Obama is going to spend so much money, which he intends to get from China via the sale of government backed bonds, that the Chinese apparently don't think he'll be able to make good on them.

So President Obama gave the Chinese eminent domain rights to American land and businesses as collateral - i.e. we don't pay, they now own America."

(From Patriot Room.)

"Because it looks like our wonderful new administration is granting the Chinese eminent domain as collateral for US debts. Yea you read that right. That means when we can no longer pay for all this massive spending the Chinese can call in the loans and take our land.

The thought that American citizens and businesses could lose their land as a means of payment is downright scary. I highly doubt ANY American citizen would have voted for Obama if they knew this was coming down the pike. (Live Leak has more details.)

Sources at the United States Embassy in Beijing China have just CONFIRMED to me that the United States of America has tendered to China a written agreement which grants to the People's Republic of China, an option to exercise Eminent Domain within the USA, as collateral for China's continu More..ed purchase of US Treasury Notes and existing US Currency reserves!

The written agreement was brought to Beijing by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and was formalized and agreed-to during her recent trip to China.

This means that in the event the US Government defaults on its financial obligations to China, the Communist Government of China would be permitted to physically take -- inside the USA -- land, buildings, factories, perhaps even entire cities - to satisfy the financial obligations of the US government.

Put simply, the feds have now actually mortgaged the physical land and property of all citizens and businesses in the United States. They have given to a foreign power, their Constitutional power to "take" all of our property, as actual collateral for continued Chinese funding of US deficit spending and the continued carrying of US national debt."

This cannot stand. It is traitorous and Obama should be impeached.

Mod note: Hal Turner via Google


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; china; cuespookymusic; eminentdomain; eminentdomainchina; halturner; hitlery; morethorazineplease; obamanation; treason; troofer2
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1 posted on 02/28/2009 4:33:45 PM PST by rocco55
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To: rocco55

I am proud to be the first to post a reply! FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!


2 posted on 02/28/2009 4:36:01 PM PST by WellyP
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To: rocco55

This seems hard to believe, even for the Great Usurper. I’ll wait for independent confirmation on this before I go nuts over it.


3 posted on 02/28/2009 4:37:58 PM PST by JoeA (JoeA / welcome to third world politics.)
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To: rocco55

Joke is on Obama. The Chi-coms will ahve to get behind the Dutch and the British Crown. Their claim goes back to 1933.


4 posted on 02/28/2009 4:38:19 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Liquidity is a state of mind.)
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To: rocco55

The Clintons gave the Chicoms MERV technology that could be used to nuke our cities, and now the right to take our land from beneath our feet. She and her husband, and Mama “O” and nothing but a bunch of traitors.


5 posted on 02/28/2009 4:38:41 PM PST by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, he believes government is the solution, rather than the problem)
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To: rocco55
Word on the street is that negotiations have stalled over the question of the Chicoms having to take the population in the places to be handed over.

One sore spot is San Francisco. Although this might receive popular support here in America, the Chicoms are drawing the line at the San Fran "values" and the San Fran "gay parade". They have been telling the negotiators that they don't want any of those people. Yet, with San Fran at the top of the "tradesies" list, it seems inescapable that the Chicoms will have to come face to face with their market for sequened jockstraps and leather strip vests.

Several economists asked "Hey, they must have been curious what that stuff was about, right?"

6 posted on 02/28/2009 4:39:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: LucyT; rabscuttle385

Ping to confirmation


7 posted on 02/28/2009 4:41:32 PM PST by stockpirate (A people unwilling to use violent force to preserve liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. SP-0)
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To: stockpirate; LucyT

What happened to the original thread on this subject this morning?


8 posted on 02/28/2009 4:43:09 PM PST by Iowan
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To: rocco55

If it’s confirmed, it could give some States impetus to write Conditional Declarations of Secession, to be triggered in case any of their territory was given away.


9 posted on 02/28/2009 4:43:51 PM PST by rfp1234 (Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
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To: rocco55

I bet people that believe this also bought a subprime loan.


10 posted on 02/28/2009 4:45:12 PM PST by Tempest (There's a storm coming...)
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To: rocco55

THIS has been posted many, many times here and every time it gets deleted. Maybe that should tell you if it’s true or not.


11 posted on 02/28/2009 4:48:23 PM PST by Joiseydude (Obama: "Putting my ideals into effect are more important than your safety from terrorist acts")
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To: Iowan; stockpirate; rocco55
What happened to the original thread on this subject this morning?

It was pulled? Wonder what happened.

Excerpt:

"This means that in the event the US Government defaults on its financial obligations to China, the Communist Government of China would be permitted to physically take — inside the USA — land, buildings, factories, perhaps even entire cities - to satisfy the financial obligations of the US government.

"The feds have now actually mortgaged the physical land and property of all citizens and businesses in the United States. They have given to a foreign power, their Constitutional power to “take” all of our property, as actual collateral for continued Chinese funding of US deficit spending and the continued carrying of US national debt."

12 posted on 02/28/2009 4:54:06 PM PST by LucyT
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To: rocco55

This is probably lunacy.


13 posted on 02/28/2009 4:57:07 PM PST by PghBaldy (Both parties have destroyed this economy. Dems in charge now, and we are doomed.)
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To: LucyT
It was pulled? Wonder what happened.

Still unconfirmed. Just the rumor mill at this point.

14 posted on 02/28/2009 4:57:33 PM PST by uglybiker (AAAAAAH!!! I'm covered in BEES!)
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To: uglybiker

Mugabe did this to Zimbabwe where Libya essentially owns the country now for all the oil Libya gave Zim.

We need for the states under the 10th Amednment to take back ALL the land stolen by the federal govt. This is especially true for states like Utah with clean coal worth trillions. The Feds stoles the land the clean coal is on.


15 posted on 02/28/2009 5:14:35 PM PST by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: rocco55

China doesn’t have the military capacity to take the property in the first place.


16 posted on 02/28/2009 5:18:12 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: JoeA
I’ll wait for independent confirmation on this before I go nuts over it. agree. This claim is far fetched.
17 posted on 02/28/2009 5:27:00 PM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: JoeA

...I’ll wait for independent confirmation on this before I go nuts over it.

***There was a thread a few days ago about this that evidently got pulled as well as one this A.M.

Probably a good idea to wait for confirmation.


18 posted on 02/28/2009 5:31:01 PM PST by azishot (I just joined the NRA.)
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To: WellyP

ENEMIES. FOREIGN. AND. DOMESTIC!
What a bunch of traitors!


19 posted on 02/28/2009 5:46:16 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: PghBaldy

>This is probably lunacy.

And this administration is an exercise in SANITY?


20 posted on 02/28/2009 5:47:20 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Nachum

ping!


21 posted on 02/28/2009 5:50:47 PM PST by kayti (Our Nation is under God's judgement.)
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To: rocco55

I’m having a hard time believing this one BUT....

does anybody remember back to when China took Hong Kong back?
I was stunned!!

Wave after wave after wave of personnel carriers, each holding twelve to fifteen soldiers, just kept pouring in.
Thousands of them. For like 12 hours.

It was scary.


22 posted on 02/28/2009 5:51:08 PM PST by djf (Economy? Solution? Let's give more money to the jerks that lost the other money... Gummint says so!)
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To: rocco55

Can’t we simply give China Hillary instead? I can’t think of a better persent except maybe a two for the price of one deal.


23 posted on 02/28/2009 5:55:14 PM PST by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: rocco55
Going back from this source to the Patriot Room source, they say.

"UPDATE: Seems the story originated here which also mentions this Bloomberg story citing the chinese wanting guarantees on the debt. It also suggests that the states knew this was coming with the recent activity of 11 or so states declaring their sovereignty."

The "here" is a link to the Hal Turner Show Blog where EMINENT DOMAIN is talked about. The Bloomberg article does not even mention EMINENT DOMAIN. Hal Turner is a notorious kook and white supremacist and the EMINENT DOMAIN angle is almost certainly BS.

The Live Leak Post is mainly excerpts from the longer Hal Turner material.

24 posted on 03/01/2009 4:50:23 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Joiseydude

This news story is ONE day old ! How could it be posted SEVERAL times ? I don’t know if it’s true, but I did hear that on Hannity’s site, a blog has been started on it. Not that verifies its authenticity ? I guess we’ll see


25 posted on 03/01/2009 5:54:41 PM PST by rocco55
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To: LucyT

I don’t know if it’s true, but I did hear that on Hannity’s site, a blog has been started on it. Not that verifies its authenticity ? I guess we’ll see.


26 posted on 03/01/2009 5:55:44 PM PST by rocco55
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To: Iowan

I don’t know if it’s true, but I did hear that on Hannity’s site, a blog has been started on it. Not that verifies its authenticity ? I guess we’ll see


27 posted on 03/01/2009 5:56:09 PM PST by rocco55
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To: Anti-Bubba182
MORE: Atlas Shrugs Promoting Neo-Nazi Agitprop

Atlas Shrugs Promoting Neo-Nazi Agitprop

Blogosphere | Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:25:55 am PST

Here’s a tale of the kind of sheer idiocy that gives blogs a bad name, as Pamela Geller has another meltdown: Atlas Shrugs: OBAMA GRANTS EMINENT DOMAIN RIGHTS TO AMERICAN LAND TO CHINA.

The story may have originated with this Bloomberg article, about the Chinese asking Obama for assurances that the US will support the dollar’s exchange rate, to protect their $682 billion holdings of American debt.

Notice that the words “eminent domain” do not appear in the Bloomberg article. That’s because such a ridiculous thing is not being discussed. By anyone.

So where does Pamela Geller’s latest overheated kookspiracy theory come from? An “unsourced” post at LiveLeak.com: Feds grant eminent domain as collateral to China for US debts.

Google this title and you discover the real source at the bottom of this ugly little hoax: infamous white supremacist nutjob Hal Turner: FEDS GRANT EMINENT DOMAIN AS COLLATERAL TO CHINA FOR U.S. DEBTS!

Have a look through the comments posted at that page, if you have a strong stomach.

Someone might want to let Geller know she’s running agitprop from neo-Nazis again.

The Anti-Defamation League has a collection of some of Turner’s other statements: Hal Turner in His Own Words.

Instead of fighting Muslims, we Christians should be rounding up jews [sic] and killing them here in America. We should bomb their Synagogues, burn down their Yeshivas and violently attack them on the street and in their places of business. I advocate extreme violence against jews [sic] because their history as a people make them worthy of being killed. Jews are the lowest form of sub-human garbage. They deserve to be killed.

This is what happens when you don’t care and don’t check where your blog posts come from.

(Hat tip: Thanos.)

A lot of bloggers bit the fish hook on this one!

28 posted on 03/01/2009 5:57:53 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: rocco55

Trust me, it was posted several times in the 24 hours prior to when you posted it again on Saturday. And each time it was pulled.


29 posted on 03/01/2009 6:08:23 PM PST by Joiseydude (Obama: "Putting my ideals into effect are more important than your safety from terrorist acts")
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To: stockpirate; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; ...

Thanks, stockpirate. Where there’s alot of smoke, usually there is a fire. Confirmation for Eminent Domain given to China.
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Here’s a FRmail that arrived a few minutes ago:

“I went to the Republican headquarters to help with some mailings the other day.

Another volunteer mentioned his wife was doing pretty well selling real estate..I was surprised because of (supposedly) how bad real estate is here (in x state).

He told me that it was mostly Chinese buying them.
Weird huh.

Wouldn’t the Congress have to vote on this or can O just sell our butts down the river to the Chinese?”


30 posted on 03/01/2009 6:15:37 PM PST by LucyT
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To: Joiseydude
"Trust me, it was posted several times in the 24 hours prior to when you posted it again on Saturday. And each time it was pulled."

That is a fact. The reason this one is still up is because maybe someone will search, find this, and read the part about the source being a racist scumbag trying to stir crap with a bogus story.

31 posted on 03/01/2009 6:19:05 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: LucyT

TANKS,Lu,,,and,,,

Roger Dat on the Smoke,,,

Hopefully this thread stays up...


32 posted on 03/01/2009 6:20:31 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: LucyT

Thanks for the ping. Be sure to check #31.


33 posted on 03/01/2009 6:25:55 PM PST by azishot (I just joined the NRA.)
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To: azishot

Thanks. Yikes.


34 posted on 03/01/2009 6:27:18 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT

I posted the same link about hal and that thread got pulled. Is he reliable?


35 posted on 03/01/2009 6:27:51 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: LucyT

It wasn’t from the examiner- didn’t know if they were any good...


36 posted on 03/01/2009 6:29:04 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

Kim, I don’t know. First time I had heard of him was when these Eminent Domain threads appeared.


37 posted on 03/01/2009 6:30:16 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT

>>>Wouldn’t the Congress have to vote on this or can O just sell our butts down the river to the Chinese?”

They already did.

House Vote:

http://rules-republicans.house.gov/ShortTopics/Read.aspx?ID=237
H.R. 1105 — Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009

February 24, 2009

H.R. 1105 – Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009
Managers: McGovern / Sessions

Motion offered by Foxx
To make in order and provide the appropriate waivers for amendment #6, offered by Rep. Goodlatte (R-VA), which would prevent funds in the bill from being used to exercise the power of eminent domain to take private property from a private entity and give that property to another private entity, while exempting certain enumerated uses, such as highways, prisons, public utilities, and in cases of national emergencies or national disasters declared by the President.

Defeated 4 to 7*


38 posted on 03/01/2009 6:32:05 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: LucyT

Thanks, LucyT

Eminent Domain Vote in the House ON FEB.24, 2009

>>http://rules-republicans.house.gov/ShortTopics/Read.aspx?ID=237

H.R. 1105 — Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009

February 24, 2009

H.R. 1105 – Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009

Managers: McGovern / Sessions

>>Motion offered by Foxx

To make in order and provide the appropriate waivers for amendment #6, offered by Rep. Goodlatte (R-VA), which would prevent funds in the bill from being used to exercise the power of eminent domain to take private property from a private entity and give that property to another private entity, while exempting certain enumerated uses, such as highways, prisons, public utilities, and in cases of national emergencies or national disasters declared by the President.

Defeated 4 to 7*>>

WAKE UP America Ping.


39 posted on 03/01/2009 7:32:00 PM PST by Iowan
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To: LucyT

Yeah, I think it was yesterday when we posted on an eminent domain thread...I posted a link directly to that guys website with the statement that I had no idea who he was. I went back to find it and all the posts about it were gone. We had an educational debate about how eminent domain meant that only federal and even local govts and certain parties (which are normally developers) can take private propety away for whatever reason. I asked if TIFS or blighted areas were the biggest factor but the question was never answered cuz the thread got pulled.


40 posted on 03/01/2009 8:11:03 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: rocco55; LucyT; STARWISE; BP2; unspun; seekthetruth; ExTexasRedhead; Frantzie; Chief Engineer; ...

Sorry to those I sitemailed as I didn’t just check “China” keyword but...
this is a lively one isn’t it? Beats TV any day except Mon 9-10 EST (24).

Thread pulled on FR?

Hoax or not it got legs elsewhere- Dr. Ott has quite a take- make for some kind of reading!:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message738312/pg1

Warning to All:” Why the States are Passing Sovereignty Bills

Smedley Rothchild
User ID: 624595
2/28/2009 8:45 AM

TEN PAGE THREAD STARTING WITH:

http://www.rense.com/general85/give.htm

US Gives China Eminent
Domain Over US Property
Beyond High Treason
A. True Ott, PhD, ND
2-28-9

Let’s connect some dots today, boys and girls to learn about the HIGHEST POSSIBLE TREASON that has happened in this country.

THIS IS AS REAL AND AS UGLY AS IT CAN GET………


41 posted on 03/01/2009 8:21:55 PM PST by BonRad (As Rome goes so goes the world)
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To: BonRad; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; ..

Ping to #41. Sorry if BonRad and I double pinged. This is important; who knew there would be *any* news this evening.


42 posted on 03/01/2009 8:28:56 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT; All

Is it this guy ? :

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu4wRYatJPBAAD0tXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1MjZjYW4zBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMwRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA01BUDAxN18xMTQ-/SIG=11r76kk9d/EXP=1236054673/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner

Harold Charles “Hal” Turner is an American white nationalist and white supremacist from North Bergen, New Jersey. He ran his program, The Hal Turner Show, as a webcast from his home once a week, and depended on donations from his listeners. He quit the show in July 2008. In August his website also closed down, though he retains a blog.

Turner has often made news for his extreme right-wing views. He promotes antisemitism (including the rounding up and killing of Jews)[1] and opposes the existence of the state of Israel.[2] He also denies the Holocaust.[3] In 2005, Turner organized what he billed as a “rally against violence” after a white student was beaten by a black student at a high school. In 2006, he got into a fight with Jaime Vazquez, a former Jersey City deputy mayor, after Vazquez called him a racist coward. Turner has made numerous threats against political figures on his website and in other forums.


43 posted on 03/01/2009 8:39:05 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: BonRad

There was some very convincing sounding fellow on Coast-to-Coast over a year ago who said the Chicoms were buying up US mortgage insurance out of Panamanian shells, such insurance taking possession of defaulted properties.

I have no idea what this is, to be honest.

Oh- my usual typo- Dr.Otts’ article on rense makeS for good reading.


44 posted on 03/01/2009 8:41:50 PM PST by BonRad (As Rome goes so goes the world)
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To: LucyT

Thanks for the ping.

I read #41 plus the links. Please help me understand how this ties into the states passing sovereignty bills?

Does it mean that because the properties are located in a specific state it doesn’t belong to the fed. govt?

I just finished doing my taxes and my brain is fried.
All I know for certain is that BO scares the hell out of me.


45 posted on 03/01/2009 8:46:25 PM PST by azishot (I just joined the NRA.)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
Yes that is the guy.
46 posted on 03/01/2009 8:50:06 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: BonRad

F them...we took this country from the British...we’ll fight off the Chicoms as well!!!!! The government might try to sell off this country but they can never sell off the spirit.


47 posted on 03/01/2009 8:50:45 PM PST by IrishPennant ("We're surrounded...That simplifies our problem.")
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To: LucyT

F them...we took this country from the British...we’ll fight off the Chicoms as well!!!!! The government might try to sell off this country but they can never sell off the spirit.


48 posted on 03/01/2009 8:52:29 PM PST by IrishPennant ("We're surrounded...That simplifies our problem.")
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

I wondered if the guy had some kind of webcast radio show, and was leery of who is was.


49 posted on 03/01/2009 8:57:04 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; Anti-Bubba182

I’ll go back to the “stopped clock” till I learn more...


50 posted on 03/01/2009 10:11:24 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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