Skip to comments.Freepers have to plan for the day when the internet is disabled or shut down
Posted on 03/06/2009 9:40:37 AM PST by George from New EnglandEdited on 03/06/2009 10:19:26 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
We need to learn of local ham/amateur radio operators and us ham operators need to have a pre-established network with designated frequencies to get our message out and around.
Don't wait for the day that either due to martial law or other catastrophic events, our communication paths are severed or greatly blocked.
I suspect there are many ham license holders that are freepers as well. We need to know about each other before the day when we wished we had done this.
George, [Edited by poster's request - AM]
I would think HAM can be disabled easier than the net.
We have some good neighbors to the north who would welcome the company: Look up “Free Dominion”
The Internet can’t be shut down, especially since the folks you fear will do so need it to get the word out to all their ACORN chapters and others—recall how they used the Internet to call on people to flood radio shows with phone calls.
Great idea. Also good would be to publish a SW freq for those of us who aren’t operators.
You mean the day when someone posts “Am I logged in?” and the answer will be “No”.
I guess we’ll have to go back to using bathroom walls, carrier pigeons, etc.
I can’t remember Mr. G’s posting name, but here is a ping for him.
While I do agree that it might be a good thing to have backup comms if the ‘net gets closed down, I don’t know if Ham radio is practical. Not many folks have it or would even entertain getting it, and it’s not secure or private.
I suspect local gun clubs will become the backbone if SHTF. All freepers should have their license, own whatever firearms they can afford, and belong to a local club or two.
we need to form cells. So that we can stay in communication. We can have secret meetings and GPS drops.
I for one would not stand quietly and let this happen. We have he Freedom of Speech, and freedom is not free. (See my tag line)
A FREEP-net (HAM) is a great idea...
there’s a licensed operator in this home.
I asked on my FR state location thread about this a week ago: no response.
Ok, but we non hams need a short wave radio and a designated frequency.
Plus, we need a couple of transmitters outside the country because they will definitely locate you and shut you down.
The airwaves can only be jambed, not shut down. I cannot see the feds actually interfering with all frequencies across the entire 48 states and stopping individuals with batteries/generators and radios from talking.
If our power grid(s) goes down it will only be a matter of hours until the internet starts to fade. If an EMP impacts the power grid, then expect that so many internet routers will be toast.
I keep my ham gear in a shielded cabinet and disconnected from any wires just so I can use it when the event occurs. I believe it’s just a matter of time and with O the time got much closer.
WATER WILL BE THE GREATEST NEED THEN. FOLLOWED BY FOOD.
I’m with ya!!!
Most of these naysayers haven’t got a clue. I believe we need to be informed. I’ll want to know who’s left after all is said and done/or it might be fun to get into a hobby like this.
ping for papa
No, the only way I know to disable RF propagation is by using artificial ionization. Even that has limits.
I still remember a story a friend told us back in the ‘80’s: When he was young, he knew another teen who’d been communicating with someone in Russia via radio. (I don’t know which kind of radio.) They were just having friendly conversations, but, at one point, the “authorities” showed up to interrogate him at home, and they took his radio.
Apparently, radio communications are monitored, too.
Well, go back and tell him to take a basic physics class, because he is an idiot.
I am not enough of a ham to know what band is best to use (remember my gear is essential led packed up).
How do we pick a good frequency. I think a first, second, third choice list for frequency/band.
Any ham operator that is better versed and has used the airwaves for years could really help at this point.
Good idea. I hope there are backup plans being made to facilitate communications.
However, I don’t think it is wise to publicize the exact plans at this time.
Sorry for the boldface. I didn’t apply one of my html tags correctly.
There are ways of minimizing the transmission times too.
We maybe at war someday too soon.
Yeah, but how would the ‘caption this’ threads work over the airwaves?
SO ARE YOU SAYING, IF HE IS NOT USING HIS SET DURING A PULSE (ooopppsss!) ...it will no longer work? Or is it the tubes that are not susceptible?
STOP THE DIRECTION WE ARE MOVING NOW.
Perhaps start by introducing yourself to your neighbors.
If your need is to go hi-tech, fine.
But don’t ignore the obvious.
Can we get Obama to use this direction finding equipment to show them they are headed in the wrong direction?
Too many of them. Plus broad spectrum jammers don't have the juice to jam much more than a small area. Direction Finding you'd have to worry about but the vehicles are easy to spot and the more strategic assets would have more on their plate should it come down to this.
George, about how much of an investment would it take to talk to you from Port Angeles, Washington?
AND, can relative secure communications be made over he airways? I suspect not, but I don’t know what’s available or legal on this subject.
I know from personal experience that in any emergency, failure or lack of communications, can mean the difference between success or failure—life and death.
EMP is the ultimate zot - it induces current between metal bits, which are seperated by even a small distance.
This current tends to fry electronics.
Vacuum tubes are less succeptible to EMP than solid state - but they can still fry, given the right pulse.
So, the answer to your question...”IF HE IS NOT USING HIS SET DURING A PULSE (ooopppsss!) ...it will no longer work?”
...depends on what type of set, and how well he buried it. A faraday cage will work - but then, you cannot broadcast, can you?
Actually no it can’t.
It’s called triangulation and it’s simple. I’ve used it to find downed aircraft.
A more experience ham radio operator is needed for the best answer.
It will depend on atmospherics of course. I have the license primarily to be legal and have only talked once with an operator from Tennessee (I think).
I suspect that message relaying would be common place to get the non-MSM, uncensored messages out.
Ping to my ham... ham operator hubby.
There is something about Florida that generates this “stuff.”
I recently got into photography (very expensive!!!), so this could cost me my life, should I tell my bride of another hobby. ;>)
I was pretty good with Semaphore flags as a boy scout but never learned morse code......
might be nice as a 1st step to get an excel sheet set up with operator/freq/alt freq/zone/time of broadcast.
The michigan militia page has a good sw equipment and antenna page under the “communications” tab.
The likelihood of the internet being censored a la China is very real - it is the next step past the Fairness Doctrine. The Chicoms would be delighted to sell us the software.
During WWII, ham radio was shut down due to security reasons, and in the patriotic fervor of the day, there was total compliance. Ham operators tend to lean to the right, and the overwhelming majority are disgusted by how the FCC has become overrun with lawyers instead of engineers. Any attempt to impose radio silence on the part of 0bama and his thugs would be ignored by a large fraction of the hobby.
Ham radio is ‘regulated’ by the same FCC that is supposed to regulate CB radio. There are simply too few FCC field agents to regulate the thousands of illegal CB operators. Ham radio is primarily self-policing. The FCC generally acts in accordance to complaints from other hams who observe illegal operation. If it were inundated by thousands of ‘illegal’ ham operators, it would not be able to react to all of them.
For those not currently involved in amateur radio, the licensing process is quite easy, as the morse code requirement has been eliminated. Now is a good time to pick up the gear, and familiarize yourself with its operation. Regardless of whether you become licensed or not, it is a good idea to own at least a VHF/UHF scanner capable of receiving the 2-Meter ham band, as well as local fire and police transmissions. A shortwave receiver is also essential.
Resurrection of any broadcasting avenue would be priceless ... supposing there were others to receive/send like it.
Thank you, for the response. I appreciate it.
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