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Freepers have to plan for the day when the internet is disabled or shut down
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Posted on 03/06/2009 9:40:37 AM PST by George from New England

Edited on 03/06/2009 10:19:26 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

We need to learn of local ham/amateur radio operators and us ham operators need to have a pre-established network with designated frequencies to get our message out and around.

Don't wait for the day that either due to martial law or other catastrophic events, our communication paths are severed or greatly blocked.

I suspect there are many ham license holders that are freepers as well. We need to know about each other before the day when we wished we had done this.

George, [Edited by poster's request - AM]


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1 posted on 03/06/2009 9:40:38 AM PST by George from New England
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To: George from New England

I would think HAM can be disabled easier than the net.


2 posted on 03/06/2009 9:42:46 AM PST by DonaldC
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To: George from New England

We have some good neighbors to the north who would welcome the company: Look up “Free Dominion”


3 posted on 03/06/2009 9:43:35 AM PST by George Smiley (They're not drinking the Kool-Aid any more. They're eating it straight out of the packet.)
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To: George from New England

The Internet can’t be shut down, especially since the folks you fear will do so need it to get the word out to all their ACORN chapters and others—recall how they used the Internet to call on people to flood radio shows with phone calls.


4 posted on 03/06/2009 9:43:44 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Behind enemy lines in Boston and Cambridge)
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To: George from New England

Great idea. Also good would be to publish a SW freq for those of us who aren’t operators.


5 posted on 03/06/2009 9:44:05 AM PST by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: George from New England
We need to learn of local ham/amateur radio operators and us ham operators need to have a pre-established network with designated frequencies to get our message out and around.

Don't you think the FCC will strictly control ham/amateur radio operators for the same reason they would shutdown the internet?
6 posted on 03/06/2009 9:44:18 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: George from New England

You mean the day when someone posts “Am I logged in?” and the answer will be “No”.

I guess we’ll have to go back to using bathroom walls, carrier pigeons, etc.


7 posted on 03/06/2009 9:46:35 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: George from New England; Grammy

Grammy,

I can’t remember Mr. G’s posting name, but here is a ping for him.


8 posted on 03/06/2009 9:46:42 AM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: George from New England

While I do agree that it might be a good thing to have backup comms if the ‘net gets closed down, I don’t know if Ham radio is practical. Not many folks have it or would even entertain getting it, and it’s not secure or private.

I suspect local gun clubs will become the backbone if SHTF. All freepers should have their license, own whatever firearms they can afford, and belong to a local club or two.


9 posted on 03/06/2009 9:47:05 AM PST by Zeddicus
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To: DonaldC
I think the Internet is a lot more easier to shut down, due to the use of phone lines and hard wired connections needed. Amateur radio only needs electricity to operate and can be moved from site to site if needed. Just about the only way is to “fire” some sort of electro-magnetic pulse device or wave[s] to disable it. Many of us Freepers have laid in spare comm gear to communicate with our family & friends in the event of such an emergency.
10 posted on 03/06/2009 9:48:56 AM PST by TMSuchman (I'll heat up & bring the tar, you bring the feathers & we'll meet in DC!)
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11 posted on 03/06/2009 9:49:19 AM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: George from New England

we need to form cells. So that we can stay in communication. We can have secret meetings and GPS drops.


12 posted on 03/06/2009 9:49:30 AM PST by GeronL (Will bankrupting America lead to socialism?)
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To: George from New England
This my friends would be true stamp of Communism and it would mean war. America would no longer be the America that we have loved and died for.

I for one would not stand quietly and let this happen. We have he Freedom of Speech, and freedom is not free. (See my tag line)

13 posted on 03/06/2009 9:49:48 AM PST by BornToBeAmerican (Freedom is not free)
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To: George from New England

A FREEP-net (HAM) is a great idea...
there’s a licensed operator in this home.
I asked on my FR state location thread about this a week ago: no response.


14 posted on 03/06/2009 9:49:51 AM PST by two23 (Romans 16:20)
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To: George from New England

Ok, but we non hams need a short wave radio and a designated frequency.

Plus, we need a couple of transmitters outside the country because they will definitely locate you and shut you down.


15 posted on 03/06/2009 9:53:00 AM PST by staytrue (YES WE CAN, (everyone should get in the practice of saying it, it will soon be mandatory))
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To: Man50D

The airwaves can only be jambed, not shut down. I cannot see the feds actually interfering with all frequencies across the entire 48 states and stopping individuals with batteries/generators and radios from talking.

If our power grid(s) goes down it will only be a matter of hours until the internet starts to fade. If an EMP impacts the power grid, then expect that so many internet routers will be toast.

I keep my ham gear in a shielded cabinet and disconnected from any wires just so I can use it when the event occurs. I believe it’s just a matter of time and with O the time got much closer.


16 posted on 03/06/2009 9:53:06 AM PST by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: George from New England
John has long mustache.........
17 posted on 03/06/2009 9:53:14 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Bush's Recession....Obama's Depression.......)
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To: George from New England
There is a guy in my SS class that is a ham operator. I was inquiring about how a “pulse” would knock out our communications. He commented, it shuts down all circuits that have a current passing through them at the moment of the “pulse”.

WATER WILL BE THE GREATEST NEED THEN. FOLLOWED BY FOOD.
BE PREPARED.

18 posted on 03/06/2009 9:53:41 AM PST by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: George from New England

George,
I’m with ya!!!
Most of these naysayers haven’t got a clue. I believe we need to be informed. I’ll want to know who’s left after all is said and done/or it might be fun to get into a hobby like this.


19 posted on 03/06/2009 9:54:44 AM PST by lucky american (We cannot direct the wind but we can adjust the sails)
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To: kalee

ping for papa


20 posted on 03/06/2009 9:55:17 AM PST by Cailleach
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To: DonaldC

No, the only way I know to disable RF propagation is by using artificial ionization. Even that has limits.


21 posted on 03/06/2009 9:55:18 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: George from New England

22 posted on 03/06/2009 9:56:04 AM PST by smokingfrog ( Dear Mr. Obama - Please make it rain candy! P.S. I like jelly beans.)
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To: George from New England

I still remember a story a friend told us back in the ‘80’s: When he was young, he knew another teen who’d been communicating with someone in Russia via radio. (I don’t know which kind of radio.) They were just having friendly conversations, but, at one point, the “authorities” showed up to interrogate him at home, and they took his radio.

Apparently, radio communications are monitored, too.


23 posted on 03/06/2009 9:56:12 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: geologist

Well, go back and tell him to take a basic physics class, because he is an idiot.


24 posted on 03/06/2009 9:58:59 AM PST by patton (America is born in Iceland, and dies in California)
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To: lucky american

I am not enough of a ham to know what band is best to use (remember my gear is essential led packed up).

How do we pick a good frequency. I think a first, second, third choice list for frequency/band.

Any ham operator that is better versed and has used the airwaves for years could really help at this point.


25 posted on 03/06/2009 9:59:10 AM PST by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: George from New England
The airwaves can only be jambed, not shut down. I cannot see the feds actually interfering with all frequencies across the entire 48 states and stopping individuals with batteries/generators and radios from talking.
R They won't have to jam the airwaves to effect ham radio operators or any other technological means. You're missing my point. What some people consider free speech the socialists controlling the airwaves will classify as hate speech etc... and consequently shutdown individuals.
26 posted on 03/06/2009 10:00:34 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: George from New England

Good idea. I hope there are backup plans being made to facilitate communications.

However, I don’t think it is wise to publicize the exact plans at this time.


27 posted on 03/06/2009 10:01:14 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: George from New England

Sorry for the boldface. I didn’t apply one of my html tags correctly.


28 posted on 03/06/2009 10:01:55 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: smokingfrog

There are ways of minimizing the transmission times too.

We maybe at war someday too soon.


29 posted on 03/06/2009 10:02:21 AM PST by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: All

Yeah, but how would the ‘caption this’ threads work over the airwaves?


30 posted on 03/06/2009 10:03:24 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: patton
HE PROBABLY LEARNED VIA THE ARMED FORCES TO BE A RADIO OPERATOR. HE IS AN OLDER GUY.

SO ARE YOU SAYING, IF HE IS NOT USING HIS SET DURING A PULSE (ooopppsss!) ...it will no longer work? Or is it the tubes that are not susceptible?

STOP THE DIRECTION WE ARE MOVING NOW.

31 posted on 03/06/2009 10:04:05 AM PST by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: George from New England

Perhaps start by introducing yourself to your neighbors.
If your need is to go hi-tech, fine.
But don’t ignore the obvious.


32 posted on 03/06/2009 10:05:18 AM PST by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: smokingfrog

Can we get Obama to use this direction finding equipment to show them they are headed in the wrong direction?


33 posted on 03/06/2009 10:05:29 AM PST by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: DonaldC
I would think HAM can be disabled easier than the net.

Too many of them. Plus broad spectrum jammers don't have the juice to jam much more than a small area. Direction Finding you'd have to worry about but the vehicles are easy to spot and the more strategic assets would have more on their plate should it come down to this.

34 posted on 03/06/2009 10:10:38 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Yes, Gorbachev is better than Obama. At least Gorbachev admitted he was a Communist)
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To: George from New England

George, about how much of an investment would it take to talk to you from Port Angeles, Washington?

AND, can relative secure communications be made over he airways? I suspect not, but I don’t know what’s available or legal on this subject.

I know from personal experience that in any emergency, failure or lack of communications, can mean the difference between success or failure—life and death.


35 posted on 03/06/2009 10:15:17 AM PST by Gator113 (For America to survive, Obama must fail.....)
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To: geologist

EMP is the ultimate zot - it induces current between metal bits, which are seperated by even a small distance.

This current tends to fry electronics.

Vacuum tubes are less succeptible to EMP than solid state - but they can still fry, given the right pulse.

So, the answer to your question...”IF HE IS NOT USING HIS SET DURING A PULSE (ooopppsss!) ...it will no longer work?”

...depends on what type of set, and how well he buried it. A faraday cage will work - but then, you cannot broadcast, can you?


36 posted on 03/06/2009 10:15:26 AM PST by patton (America is born in Iceland, and dies in California)
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To: DonaldC

Actually no it can’t.

LLS


37 posted on 03/06/2009 10:18:47 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: smokingfrog

It’s called triangulation and it’s simple. I’ve used it to find downed aircraft.


38 posted on 03/06/2009 10:19:01 AM PST by Gator113 (For America to survive, Obama must fail.....)
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To: Gator113

A more experience ham radio operator is needed for the best answer.

It will depend on atmospherics of course. I have the license primarily to be legal and have only talked once with an operator from Tennessee (I think).

I suspect that message relaying would be common place to get the non-MSM, uncensored messages out.


39 posted on 03/06/2009 10:19:42 AM PST by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

Ping to my ham... ham operator hubby.


40 posted on 03/06/2009 10:20:14 AM PST by pnut22
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To: two23
I'm licensed also... but we need to be careful giving names and calls on the public forum here... perhaps Jim could make a private stream for us to communicate through with a license required to gain access.

LLS

41 posted on 03/06/2009 10:21:28 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: George from New England

There is something about Florida that generates this “stuff.”


42 posted on 03/06/2009 10:23:34 AM PST by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: George from New England

Thank you.

I recently got into photography (very expensive!!!), so this could cost me my life, should I tell my bride of another hobby. ;>)


43 posted on 03/06/2009 10:24:45 AM PST by Gator113 (For America to survive, Obama must fail.....)
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To: George from New England
Freepers have to plan for the day when the internet is disabled or shut down

I was pretty good with Semaphore flags as a boy scout but never learned morse code......

44 posted on 03/06/2009 10:30:03 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (This country isn't going to hell in a handbasket, it's riding shotgun on an Indy car....)
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To: lucky american

might be nice as a 1st step to get an excel sheet set up with operator/freq/alt freq/zone/time of broadcast.

The michigan militia page has a good sw equipment and antenna page under the “communications” tab.


45 posted on 03/06/2009 10:30:03 AM PST by griffin (Love Jesus, No Fear!)
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To: George from New England

The likelihood of the internet being censored a la China is very real - it is the next step past the Fairness Doctrine. The Chicoms would be delighted to sell us the software.

During WWII, ham radio was shut down due to security reasons, and in the patriotic fervor of the day, there was total compliance. Ham operators tend to lean to the right, and the overwhelming majority are disgusted by how the FCC has become overrun with lawyers instead of engineers. Any attempt to impose radio silence on the part of 0bama and his thugs would be ignored by a large fraction of the hobby.

Ham radio is ‘regulated’ by the same FCC that is supposed to regulate CB radio. There are simply too few FCC field agents to regulate the thousands of illegal CB operators. Ham radio is primarily self-policing. The FCC generally acts in accordance to complaints from other hams who observe illegal operation. If it were inundated by thousands of ‘illegal’ ham operators, it would not be able to react to all of them.

For those not currently involved in amateur radio, the licensing process is quite easy, as the morse code requirement has been eliminated. Now is a good time to pick up the gear, and familiarize yourself with its operation. Regardless of whether you become licensed or not, it is a good idea to own at least a VHF/UHF scanner capable of receiving the 2-Meter ham band, as well as local fire and police transmissions. A shortwave receiver is also essential.


46 posted on 03/06/2009 10:32:42 AM PST by blindsangamon
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To: patton

Resurrection of any broadcasting avenue would be priceless ... supposing there were others to receive/send like it.

Thank you, for the response. I appreciate it.


47 posted on 03/06/2009 10:32:52 AM PST by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

http://people.seas.harvard.edu/~jones/cscie129/images/history/chappe.html
Optical Telegraphy
The Chappe Telegraph Systems


48 posted on 03/06/2009 10:33:37 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: George from New England

Shortwave Preparedness:
http://www.michiganmilitia.com/como.htm


49 posted on 03/06/2009 10:37:55 AM PST by griffin (Love Jesus, No Fear!)
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To: George from New England

I’d be interested in your review of the aboved linked info....


50 posted on 03/06/2009 10:39:20 AM PST by griffin (Love Jesus, No Fear!)
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