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To: Swordmaker

So there is some widespread plot to state the obvious just to “ruin” WWDC?

We’ve seen story after story of REAL exploits found, trojans contracted by Mac users, and stories of how Macs were easily compromised quicker than Windows and Linux, and yet Mac users still march around like these warnings are all an elaborate lie cooked up just to hurt Apple’s feelings?

In order to perpetuate the marketing myth that Macs are magically invulnerable, all of these people that say otherwise have to be lying.

Hey, if they want to keep pretending that they are bulletproof just to appear to be a good Apple users, then don’t scream when it does hit you personally. Likely you wont scream for long because other Mac users will accuse you of spreading FUD, because WWDC is right around the corner.


3 posted on 05/02/2009 1:11:00 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (Enemy of the state since 1978!)
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To: VanDeKoik
Moreover, the most prevalent Mac infection techniques require reckless users as it is arguably more difficult to hack the latest OS X and Windows Vista systems - if only because they do not allow root access by default and contain better application installation controls than their predecessors. -from the article...

...In order to perpetuate the marketing myth that Macs are magically invulnerable, all of these people that say otherwise have to be lying... -VDK

Nobody says that. What we do say is that Mac users are smart enough not to load a program they didn't request! Viruses and trojans are programs that cannot run any other way. But you probably know that, right?

As for Vista security, what's Vista but a poor emulation of OSX? They finally got the memo that says "ask"!

Apple knows security!


14 posted on 05/02/2009 4:59:55 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( God said, 'Cancel Program GENESIS.' The universe ceased to exist.- Arth. C. Clarke's shortest story)
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To: VanDeKoik; antiRepublicrat; Spktyr; noblejones; publiusF27; big'ol_freeper; TheBattman; XeniaSt; ...
We’ve seen story after story of REAL exploits found, trojans contracted by Mac users, and stories of how Macs were easily compromised quicker than Windows and Linux, and yet Mac users still march around like these warnings are all an elaborate lie cooked up just to hurt Apple’s feelings?

Name the real exploits in the wild that are NOT trojans, VanDeKoik.

Remember vulnerabilities are NOT exploits unless they have been used to get into a machine. Proof of concept examples that have not been seen outside of a demonstration, and malware written for the previous Mac OS don't count. The exploit has to have actually infected some unsuspecting non-participating Mac OS X user in the wild.

Those Macs that were hacked at the CanSec West conference were broken into using vulnerabilities developed over several months by a team of three crackers, all of whom were ex-NSA computer experts. In both contests, Windows fell shortly after to other crackers who had not bothered to pre-prepare their exploits as did Charlie Miller. As of now, there are still ZERO self-replicating, self-transmitting, self-installing OS X viruses or worms in the wild. There are similarly no self-replicating, self-installing, self-transmitting spyware applications in the wild for OS X.

Even the latest so called iBotNet has little to no evidence that it even exists besides an article written by two Symantec employees who did not even report it to their own employer before publishing their claims in a subscription only ($175 perear) eMagazine, The Virus Bulletin. Even stranger is that the original reports of the infected pirated software—which was freely available without the infected attachment from multiple sites, including Apple's own software servers— was reported to have total downloads in the DOZENS by the two bit torrent sites where it was found... yet these authors claim, with out evidence, 20,000 infections, and offer as proof, the Denial of Service attack on one unnamed website. Why waste a 20,000 machine botnet just to deny access to an obscure, unnamed website? Why was this DOS attack not reported? The week after the article's publication, Symantec's own listing for the infected pirate files stated the number of affected machines at under 50! NO verification from other sources has been forthcoming. We are left with an essentially one source claim of the existence of a Botnet that went undetected, even after the widespread announcement in the press that those who downloaded the trial software from a bit-torrent site had possibly gotten an infected version (which was easy to detect and remove), until it was activated months later to deny service to some unnamed website. Absurd. The iBotNet report, like all other previous so-called "first" OS X Malware, became a three day wonder, a tempest in a teapot, as Mac users looked and did not find what was claimed. It has joined the others, OSX-Macarena, OSX-Leap.A, OSX-Inqtana, etc., that will be trotted out by FUD spreaders as examples of "real" OS X malware in the Wild... examples that have been debunked and will have to be debunked over and over again.

These warnings are exactly the same warnings as we have seen in the weeks prior to every major Apple event in the past eight years... and for eight years nothing serious has EVER been developed to prove these warnings as truthful.

When someone finally creates a viable OS X worm or virus and releases it into the wild and it infects enough Macs to become a problem, then, and only then, will i purchase or install any anti-malware software to steal CPU cycles, delay startup and shut down, and cripple my productivity.

28 posted on 05/02/2009 5:06:15 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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