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MPAA suggests teachers videotape TVs instead of ripping DVDs. Seriously.
engadget ^ | 5/7/2009 | engaget

Posted on 05/07/2009 2:11:41 PM PDT by dangerdoc

So the Copyright Office is currently in the middle reviewing proposed exceptions to the DMCA, and one of the proposals on the table would allow teachers and students to rip DVDs and edit them for use in the classroom. Open and shut, right? Not if you're the MPAA and gearing up to litigate the legality of ripping -- it's trying to convince the rulemaking committee that videotaping a flatscreen is an acceptable alternative. Seriously. It's hard to say if we've ever seen an organization make a more tone-deaf, flailing argument than this.

Take a good look, kids. This is what an industry looks like right before it dies. Video after the break


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Hobbies; Science
KEYWORDS: bigmedia; copyrightlaw; education; fairuse; lping; mpaa
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MPAA at it again.
1 posted on 05/07/2009 2:11:41 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: dangerdoc

Why should they be copying and editing DVDs in the classroom, unless it’s a class in the process of doing that?


2 posted on 05/07/2009 2:13:01 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("This is our duty: to zot their sorry arses into the next time zone." ~ Admin Mod)
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To: bamahead; ShadowAce

These media goons never cease to amaze me.


3 posted on 05/07/2009 2:16:17 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Tax-chick
Why should they be copying and editing DVDs in the classroom,

Sometimes a few lines from a scene of a tv show or movie can illustrate a concept in a humorous or memorable way that makes a lasting impression and brings home the point much better than any textbook explanation possibly could.

4 posted on 05/07/2009 2:17:36 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember

Then recite the lines.


5 posted on 05/07/2009 2:18:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("This is our duty: to zot their sorry arses into the next time zone." ~ Admin Mod)
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6 posted on 05/07/2009 2:18:51 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Tax-chick

Why should teachers be photocopying a few pages or chapters out of a book instead of providing copies of the whole text to students?

The law has always permitted copies to be made in an educational environment.

It can be a documentary, it can be a historical recreation, it can be a reading of shakespeare, it can be a lot of things reference in a lecture.


7 posted on 05/07/2009 2:19:22 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (If Liberals are so upset over torture, why did they mock John McCains stiff arms during the campaign)
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To: Tax-chick

I think you read the article wrong. The “editing for use in the classroom” means that instead of buying the DVD and copying for use in the classroom (think videotaping a program like National Geographic for the classroom the next day), they are suggesting the teacher buy a video camera, videotape the TV and then show the class.

Which doesn’t make sense because either they have a DVD camcorder (do they even sell the old VHS ones anymore?) or using a digital camcorder and putting it on DVD.

So maybe I’m the one that’s confused.


8 posted on 05/07/2009 2:19:37 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson)
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To: Tax-chick

Did you read it to mean they were actually copying and editing the actual DVD INSIDE the classroom? Because they meant for USE inside the classroom.


9 posted on 05/07/2009 2:20:51 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson)
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To: dangerdoc

One of the many idiocies of the last administration is that it didn’t take away the Clinton special-interest subsidy to Hollyweird, aka the DMCA.


10 posted on 05/07/2009 2:22:13 PM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: a fool in paradise; autumnraine

I agree that videotaping something off TV to use in class is absurd. However, the claim that they can’t teach without multimedia frou-frou is absurd, too - particularly when it involves copyrighted Hollywood materials.


11 posted on 05/07/2009 2:22:34 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("This is our duty: to zot their sorry arses into the next time zone." ~ Admin Mod)
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To: dangerdoc

I have to agree with the MPAA. If the students and teachers weren’t so busy copying DVDs, they’d have more time to sext each other over their cell phones.


12 posted on 05/07/2009 2:22:55 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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Welcome to the triennial circus, where companies show why the worst provision of the DMCA should have no exceptions, and other organizations fight against them for our rights. FYI, the current Librarian is is way friendly to the side of the copyright cartel, so don't expect much.

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13 posted on 05/07/2009 2:23:02 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: dangerdoc

My only thought is how annoying it is to find a video where someone has taken video of their tv and converted it to a format for viewing on the internet, instead of doing a direct conversion from their feed to the tv. I don’t care what their living room looks like, and along with much better video, they’re converting anyway.

So, back to on-topic for you guys...


14 posted on 05/07/2009 2:23:28 PM PDT by kenth
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To: autumnraine

No, I understood the general concept. However, I find the educational “need” farcical. On other other hand, I really don’t care if they do or don’t.


15 posted on 05/07/2009 2:24:35 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("This is our duty: to zot their sorry arses into the next time zone." ~ Admin Mod)
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To: Tax-chick
However, the claim that they can't teach without multimedia frou-frou is absurd

Irrelevant. They can teach in a cave by scratching diagrams into the rock, but there's no reason they should be expected to do that, either.

The bottom line is that the law permits a certain degree of fair use, and Hollyweird is attempting to violate that law. If the GOP had any spine, the DMCA would be history and infringements of fair-use rights would carry penalties every bit as severe as infringements of copyright.

16 posted on 05/07/2009 2:25:25 PM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: Tax-chick

Good idea. I guess we should have to retype the lines from a news article one line at a time per post if we want to discuss it on a news forum too, right?


17 posted on 05/07/2009 2:26:17 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: autumnraine
Which doesn’t make sense because either they have a DVD camcorder (do they even sell the old VHS ones anymore?) or using a digital camcorder and putting it on DVD.

It's about the circumvention of the copy protection on the DVD. They don't want a teacher to rip a DVD and put the class-relevant parts into a video. They want the teacher to spend money, buy a camcorder, make a severely inferior copy by shooting a TV screen, import that into a computer, then edit that.

If the teacher puts it on a DVD the teacher will likely not use the copy protection so that's not an issue.

18 posted on 05/07/2009 2:26:25 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: steve-b
Irrelevant.

No, it's not, because the taxpayers are paying for all of the equipment, and dealing with the results of the wasted time.

If the GOP had any spine, the DMCA would be history and infringements of fair-use rights would carry penalties every bit as severe as infringements of copyright.

Fine with me.

19 posted on 05/07/2009 2:27:11 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("This is our duty: to zot their sorry arses into the next time zone." ~ Admin Mod)
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To: Tax-chick

My mom, when she was teaching Shakespeare to our homeschool co-op, would try to find a really good production of the play to pass around halfway through the class. When we did “Much Ado About Nothing” she used the really excellent Kenneth Branagh version but had to find someone to edit the video for her to remove two brief scenes with nudity and similar stuff not entirely appropriate for 14 year old homeschool kids.

I could see a similar use in a classroom, maybe, but that’s about it.


20 posted on 05/07/2009 2:28:12 PM PDT by JenB
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