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The Two Sides of ‘Star Trek’
nytimes ^ | May 9, 2009 | DAVE ITZKOFF

Posted on 05/09/2009 4:53:47 PM PDT by JoeProBono

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To: JoeProBono

What’s with the toupees, pointed ears, the pasted on foreheads in this series? Is there some deep meaning behind it all?


41 posted on 05/09/2009 7:40:28 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!
Deep meaning? Umm - Beauty is only skin deep?


42 posted on 05/09/2009 7:53:40 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Thunder90

Yes, that and pride in Western Civilization and humanity. A human created warp drive in the original series.


43 posted on 05/09/2009 7:57:29 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: tbw2
Which added human DNA even to alien gene pools, making them all “human-oid”.

So... what does that say about "hemorrh-oids"?

:-P

44 posted on 05/09/2009 8:27:02 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: KevinDavis

PING


45 posted on 05/09/2009 8:36:23 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: mamelukesabre

Literally the only vulcan I know is “Ponfo miran”. Means roughly “go to hell” LOL Just a bit of trivia.... Not intending to tell you to do that, it really is all I know LOL That and Pon Far and I am not gonna go into THAT one.


46 posted on 05/09/2009 8:36:26 PM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: JoeProBono
I like this one better.


47 posted on 05/09/2009 8:36:42 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: JoeProBono
Ingenuity

James T. Kirk
48 posted on 05/09/2009 8:37:58 PM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: gogogodzilla

You beat me by what less than a minute? Great minds think alike!


49 posted on 05/09/2009 8:39:33 PM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: gogogodzilla; Danae

50 posted on 05/09/2009 8:45:39 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Question_Assumptions

The show was also very anti-Utopian in vision... This Side of Paradise, the Hippies episode...

let us not forget City of the Edge of Forever, where in an alternate timeline, the pacifist movement took hold in America and allowed Hitler to conquer the world.

It was only in the later spinoff shows that it became politically correct drivel.


51 posted on 05/10/2009 12:58:01 AM PDT by Chet 99
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To: gary_b_UK; Truth29; NonValueAdded; MizSterious; GreenLanternCorps; Kangaroo Court; prous; ...
To quote William Shatner from SNL: "GET A LIFE! IT IS JUST A TV SHOW!"



A big thanks goes to Visualops for the Banner!!
52 posted on 05/10/2009 5:19:42 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Now a member of the NRA)
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To: Cvengr; JoeProBono

‘Let this be your last battlefield’

ranks down there with the ‘space hippies’ episode as the worst....only the space hippies one was at least good for a laugh while the black and white cookie, episode...the one that Roddenberry tried to hit us over the head with racial tolerance had absolutely nothing....

IMHO that is.....


53 posted on 05/10/2009 5:27:30 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero

Don’t be such a Herbert. ;)


54 posted on 05/10/2009 5:46:13 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (When I leave this planet, it's gonna know I was here.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth; All

Sorry I don’t buy this we must solve all of our problems on this planet before we do this feldergarb.. We will always have problems on this planet.. To stop exploration cause there are problems is foolish..


55 posted on 05/10/2009 7:32:37 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Now a member of the NRA)
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To: Chet 99

Yes. We also have some very pro-life episodes (Friday’s Child and The Devil in the Dark stick out, though The Mark of Gideon is an exception) and A Taste of Armageddon has perhaps one of the best critiques of the left-wing idea that warfare should be proportional, civil, and as painless as possible. “Death, destruction, disease, horror... that’s what war is all about, Anan. That’s what makes it a thing to be avoided. You’ve made it neat and painless. So neat and painless, you’ve had no reason to stop it. And you’ve had it for 500 years.” We can both go on and on. The original Star Trek may have been driven by Roddenberry’s progressive ideals but it was tempered by the conservativism which was still prevalent at the time giving us, for example, Let That Be Your Last Battlefield that does not, as today’s leftist do, argue that racism only exists in one direction (between oppressor and oppressed) but that the hatred is destructive in both directions.


56 posted on 05/10/2009 8:04:25 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: KevinDavis

The idea that we must solve all of our problems on Earth before we leave it the same sort of mindset that leads to the idea that we must guarantee healthcare and a good life to the poor before we let people keep and spend their money to spend on things like fancy cars and houses.


57 posted on 05/10/2009 8:06:01 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: OpusatFR; Cvengr

The cell phone, including the Motorola flip-phones and voice dialing, were created by real world scientists and engineers inspired by what they’d seen on Star Trek. Similarly, people were inspired to be doctors from watching Dr. McCoy. Yes, you can say the same thing about other television shows, too, which is why they’re often not just entertainment. But Star Trek specifically inspired a lot of people in the science, computers, and medicine to make technological things that they saw in that show happen in the real world and there are people who say that Star Trek specifically inspired them to enter a career in science, engineering, or medicine.


58 posted on 05/10/2009 8:18:21 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: KevinDavis

Our economy is going down the toilet. We a devaluing what currency we have. We have nothing of the industrial base we had in the 50’s and 60’s. Our nation is more divided than at any time since the Civil War. Our nation, no, the world, faces more challenges to peace than ever before in history. Literally, at any moment, our cities and people are at risk of decimation. Government leadership is increasingly treasonous and deliberately running the civil and economic future of the nation into the ground. Global government looms on the not to distant horizon and, with it, a loss of freedom.

Yet, you postulate that we need to funnel billions (actually, it would cost trillions to do the things space enthusiasts dream of doing) because to not do so would be foolish.

Uh, yuh.


59 posted on 05/10/2009 8:18:29 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Actually, it all started back in Mayberry. Helen Crump was a traveler and Floyd, well, you know...)
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To: Vaquero
Actually, I think Let That Be Your Last Battlefield contains the right racial message (that our looks are only skin deep and aren't what makes us different) and contains a message that is no longer politically correct, once leftists decided to redefine racism as a one-way thing and claim that minorities can't be racist (and are justified in their hatred). That Star Trek episode doesn't make that excuse. It shows the hatred as destructive in both directions and ultimately doesn't excuse the oppressor or oppressed. I find that a very conservative message on race relations, actually.

As for the "space hippies" episode, The Way to Eden, while it gives some praise for the idealism of the "hippies", it's ultimately an episode that's critical of all sorts of traits of the left, from the utopian idealism and youthful "we know it all" attitude to the cult of personalities that they get draw into and the "the ends justify the means" thinking that leads them to theft, terrorism, and murder. Remember, their foolish quest for Eden leads them to death, not utopia. That, too, is a very conservative message about youthful idealism. The original Star Trek in no way bought in to post-1960s worship of youth ideas that children are more wise than adults and showed quite the opposite. In Charlie X, Miri, and And the Children Shall Lead, unsupervised children and children given great power were shown with horror, not fondness.

Please note I'm talking about the original Star Trek. The later series were quite different.

60 posted on 05/10/2009 8:29:40 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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