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To: Safrguns
My own father is a 32nd degree mason.
I also know that he is a christian who understands who Jesus is, and has a personal relationship with Him.

Does this make him "not a Christian"? Hardly.

Does it disable his witness AS a christian? definitely.

I think deep in his heart he does see the contradictions, but simply refuses to recognize or explore the potential damage that it does, primarily because he has been involved with it for so long and has a difficult time denouncing all the good that he sees that it has accomplished in society. He is currently not actively involved, but if asked about it he will have nothing but good things to say about freemasonry. This does not make him right about the issue... but it doesn't make him non-christian either.

God? You post on FR? I had no idea.

You might try talking to your father before assuming how he feels and thinks.

You, and the rest of the people opining that you can't be a christian and a mason are really saying "you can't be a real christian like me and be a mason."

Didn't Christ say something about what happens to people that make judgements?

Regards.

130 posted on 05/24/2009 2:17:18 PM PDT by Abundy
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To: Abundy
You, and the rest of the people opining that you can't be a christian and a mason are really saying "you can't be a real christian like me and be a mason."

You mis-read my post.
I opposed the notion that you can't be christian if you are a mason. How is that judgmental?
"I THINK" prefaces my opinion which I'm entitled to.
and besides... I HAVE spoken to him about it, and I think I know him just a little better than you do.
136 posted on 05/24/2009 2:41:48 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Abundy
You start by saying that his membership doesn't make him less of a christian, true but then you contradict that statement and call him less of a christian by stating the following:

Does it disable his witness AS a christian? definitely.

I think deep in his heart he does see the contradictions, but simply refuses to recognize or explore the potential damage that it does, primarily because he has been involved with it for so long and has a difficult time denouncing all the good that he sees that it has accomplished in society. He is currently not actively involved, but if asked about it he will have nothing but good things to say about freemasonry. This does not make him right about the issue... but it doesn't make him non-christian either.

You are making judgements about just how christian he is; and

implying that he is not as christian as other christians; and

that his positive statements about freemasonry are incorrect.

You can't have it both ways...if this wasn't your father would you be as kindly disposed towards his membership and how you are judging him?

178 posted on 05/25/2009 4:46:55 AM PDT by Abundy
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