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What of Freemasonry?
The "Net" | May 23, 2009 | logic 'n reason

Posted on 05/24/2009 10:20:53 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason

I have become very curious about the Freemasons and freemasonry in general.
How does it "fit in" with the group of Christian religions...how about islam? What are the views and opinions of those at this site?


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To: BelegStrongbow; Tennessee Nana
Every statement you make [re. the Mormon Temple Ceremony being Masonic] is palpably false. I am a Master Mason and, with no rancor whatsoever, I simply say you are fully mistaken.

Joseph Smith joined the Masonic Lodge in Nauvoo, Illinois in February 1942. He purportedly rose to the degree of Master Mason in a day and a half. Joseph then went into a "period of deep reflection" for about two months and in April 1842, announced his revelation concerning the Mormon Temple Ceremony.

The article, MASONRY & THE MORMON TEMPLE CEREMONY, lists 24 "similarities" between the Mormon ceremony and 1842 Illinois Masonic Rites. There are many other similar articles and books which reach the same conclusion.

Personally, I have found the evidence that Joseph Smith plagiarized Freemasonry to be compelling.

161 posted on 05/24/2009 5:22:10 PM PDT by Zakeet (Obama: Always wrong, never in doubt.)
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To: greyfoxx39

There are many false statements you have cited in your analysis, which I infer is coming from the source, which might refer to some clandestine pseudo-Masonic organization but bears no resemblance whatsoever to the organization I know. I will say that at best some of the information is correct as to existence but incorrect as to reference or use.


162 posted on 05/24/2009 6:07:34 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (I'm still waiting for the One to say something that isn't a lie)
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163 posted on 05/24/2009 6:44:15 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: Kansas58
I simply do not believe that anyone must suppress his or her own faith, in order to agree on common ideas with other faiths.

When a different faith demands that I submit or die, I find it irrelevant that we can agree to like chocolate, or agree to drive on the right side of the road. And that 'submit or die' is a central idea in the Koran, possibly the central idea, since Islam translates as 'Submission'.

164 posted on 05/24/2009 7:08:46 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: Logic n' Reason
This guy thought that he had some answers.
 
(I linked to the book in the image of the cover)
 
 
 

165 posted on 05/24/2009 7:15:53 PM PDT by Radix (We seek Liberty......They give us Debt.)
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To: Logic n' Reason
"How does it "fit in" with the group of Christian religions"

It doesn't.

It's base premise says that all religions are equal, which we know to be completely false.

166 posted on 05/24/2009 7:20:29 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: slowhandluke
I would agree on that point.
I am just not convinced that Christianity and Masonry are completely non compatible.
167 posted on 05/24/2009 7:30:05 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Tennessee Nana

I would take that a step further: Mormonism was based on the King James version of the Bible, rather than the Catholic text.
Rather odd, of course, since Mormons claim that their “books” were “DIRECT TRANSLATONS” from the original text!


168 posted on 05/24/2009 7:36:32 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: swmobuffalo
"I know enough to know that the prescribes of Masonry are not scriptural."

You have just proved that you know nothing.

169 posted on 05/24/2009 7:41:01 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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To: martin_fierro

I’d shake your hand, but I don’t wanna give away anything.


170 posted on 05/24/2009 8:04:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: FourPeas
Buddhists beliefs do not include any god(s).

Not entirely accurate.

Theravada Buddhism does not generally include belief in beings we might call gods. Mahayana Buddhism is loaded with gods, demons and other supernatural beings.

171 posted on 05/24/2009 8:20:11 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: editor-surveyor
It's base premise says that all religions are equal, which we know to be completely false.

The three main tenents of Freemasonry are brotherly love, relief and truth. There is no "base premise" that says all religions are equal.
172 posted on 05/24/2009 8:51:55 PM PDT by Guns are GOOD
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To: Guns are GOOD

I strongly suspect that Albert Pike knew more about Freemasonry than you do, and he did state that the most foundational premise of masonry is that all paths to god are equal.


173 posted on 05/24/2009 9:10:32 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Logic n' Reason
>>However, I'm very leary of those who use any religious text to “make a point” without much of anything else<<

With this said, I'm sure you'll be leery of “The Craft” as it is riddled with religious tradition, rituals, oaths and ceremony.

As I mentioned earlier in my post, I attempted to research FM on a secular plain. I was very successful, the material available from former Masons is plentiful.

Good luck to ya.

174 posted on 05/24/2009 9:42:47 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Kansas58

>>You are wrong, the prohibition and punishment were removed long ago<<

Is that so? I believe you are the one that is mistaken.

(Quaesitum Est) was supported again in 1983 and again approved by Pope John Paul II. It states the following:

The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion....”

Have a nice day.


175 posted on 05/24/2009 9:51:30 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: swmobuffalo

“My opinion stands.”

I have no idea what your opinion is except a very broad and ignorant statement about Freemasonry and Christianity.


176 posted on 05/25/2009 12:27:27 AM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Logic n' Reason; All

All you have to do is read through this thread to learn why Freemasons keep secrets.

All the Kool-aid drinkers come out of the woodwork to “interpret” the ceremony and symbolism—and they are VERY creative.

The religious “leaders” hate it because it threatens to teach their followers to think—big mistake. Yeah, I said it.

The collectivists hate it, well, for the exact same reason.

At the end of the day, it doessn’t matter what you all think. Freemasons helped build a country with laws to protect each of us from the intimidation and coercion from others in regard to religion.

If you want to burn people at the stake for believing something different than you do, I’m afraid you were born too late. Of course, you might try China, or some such country.


177 posted on 05/25/2009 12:52:06 AM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Abundy
You start by saying that his membership doesn't make him less of a christian, true but then you contradict that statement and call him less of a christian by stating the following:

Does it disable his witness AS a christian? definitely.

I think deep in his heart he does see the contradictions, but simply refuses to recognize or explore the potential damage that it does, primarily because he has been involved with it for so long and has a difficult time denouncing all the good that he sees that it has accomplished in society. He is currently not actively involved, but if asked about it he will have nothing but good things to say about freemasonry. This does not make him right about the issue... but it doesn't make him non-christian either.

You are making judgements about just how christian he is; and

implying that he is not as christian as other christians; and

that his positive statements about freemasonry are incorrect.

You can't have it both ways...if this wasn't your father would you be as kindly disposed towards his membership and how you are judging him?

178 posted on 05/25/2009 4:46:55 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: editor-surveyor
we know to be completely false.

And who might "we" be?

179 posted on 05/25/2009 5:01:01 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (GM = Gummint Motors.)
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To: Boucheau
Are you speaking to me? I have no opinion here; I am trying to learn.

I'm not sure I understand your position. Are you attempting to pick a fight with someone? If so, with whom?

180 posted on 05/25/2009 5:07:28 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (GM = Gummint Motors.)
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