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1 posted on 07/22/2009 3:53:18 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: SunkenCiv

Neanderthal murder ping.


2 posted on 07/22/2009 3:54:19 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: rdl6989

The world’s first “hate crime”. Where’s Al Sharpton when you really needed him?


3 posted on 07/22/2009 3:55:00 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: rdl6989

Reparations?


4 posted on 07/22/2009 3:55:56 PM PDT by indyhome
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This wouldn’t have happened had Neanderthals had spear control laws.


5 posted on 07/22/2009 3:56:26 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: rdl6989

How do we know a modern human threw the spear? Did it have a luggage tag on it or something?


6 posted on 07/22/2009 3:57:31 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: rdl6989

It wasn’t me! I was sleeping in bed with my sweetheart... Just ask her! Hey Honey? Honey?


7 posted on 07/22/2009 3:57:50 PM PDT by John123 (Turn on your teleprompter Obama and read your lips... "No New Taxes!!")
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To: rdl6989

Okay, they have a skeleton with damage to a rib. Period.

From that they deduce that it was made by a projectile rather than a spear whose wielder held on to the spear as he thrust. They deduce by experimenting with dead pig carcasses. But remember that they have no soft tissue to examine—they are going by the mark left on the bone by a projectile as compared to the mark left on the bone by a hand-held spear.

On the bone of a modern pig.

Having decided that it was a projectile, then they deduce that the projector of the projectile had to have been a human rather than a Neanderthal because, humans had learned to use spear throwers and Neanderthals had not.

Notice that the question is not the nature of the weapon’s head—in either case it’s assumed to be a spear point. The issue is whether it was hurled or held and thrust.

That’s an awful lot to deduce from a single rib with a mark on it.

It could be true, of course. But it’s a huge theory based on very tiny evidence.

If I tried this sort of thing with historical arguments about something in, say, the high Middle Ages or something during the Thirty Years War, deducing this sort of momentous sociological theory about this or that group’s relations with some other group and did it on this slim a foundation of forensic evidence, I’d be laughed out of the court of historical scholarship.

But they get away with this because, after all, we’re never going to have much more evidence—we’re stuck with a single rib with a mark on it.

The more honest thing to do would be to say, “we just don’t know.”

But if they did that, their whole discipline of “evolutionary anthropology” would go up in smoke.

I don’t mind them playing around with speculative theories. I just despise the journalists and popularizers who treat this now as established fact: early humans killed off the po’ widdle Neanderthals” “Big bad human meanies are always killing of po widdle defenseless critters.”


12 posted on 07/22/2009 4:05:04 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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I saw a Neanderthal throw a spear on Discovery or somewhere. If humans killed off the Neanderthals then why is there only one with possible wounds and not all of them? Neanderthals spear design did not change much on 250,000 years according to a previous post. Lots of speculation going on here just like evolution.
17 posted on 07/22/2009 4:19:59 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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Just the MAN keeping the Neanderthal down.
20 posted on 07/22/2009 4:27:34 PM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: rdl6989

Time travel—so easy, even a modern man can do it?


22 posted on 07/22/2009 4:55:38 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: rdl6989; decimon

additional:

Prehistoric cold case shows hints of interspecies homicide
Duke University | Jul 20, 2009 | Unknown
Posted on 07/20/2009 2:43:00 PM PDT by decimon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2296945/posts

related sidebars, from the archives:

Were Neanderthals stoned to death by modern humans?
New Scientist | Thursday, November 20, 2008 | Ewen Callaway
Posted on 11/20/2008 6:21:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2135699/posts

Neanderthal Weaponry Lacked Projectile Advantage
Discovery | Jan. 14, 2009 | Jennifer Viegas
Posted on 01/15/2009 5:18:56 PM PST by decimon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2165443/posts


26 posted on 07/22/2009 7:07:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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The Neandertal Enigma
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Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
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27 posted on 07/22/2009 7:08:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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The spear had to come from a modern human, it had labels giving directions for use in several languages, assembly instructions, warning labels, OSHA approval labels, and finally, “Made in China”.
28 posted on 07/22/2009 7:45:19 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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