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US AIDS Funding through 2010 (this will shock you!)
Rethinking AIDS ^

Posted on 09/11/2009 3:07:18 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: aids; bhohealthcare; bush; catholic; christian; clinton; corruption; economy; homosexuallobby; moralabsolutes; notasciencetopic; obama; prolife; publichealthmovement; reagan; rethinkpublichealth; science; socialism; socializedmedicine; swineflu; taxes
JUST AS SHOCKING, IF NOT MORE SHOCKING!!!

Disease

'07 NIH
Research DOLLAR$

  Deaths
  Per  Disease

 $ Per Patient
Death

 $ Per Patient
HIV/AIDS

 2.9 Billion

  16,316
 178,046
   3,052
Cardiovascular Disease

 2.3 Billion

  871,500 
    2,639
     29
Diabetes

    1 Billion

  73,965 
   14,236
      50
Alzheimer’s Disease

644 Million

 72,696      8,859
      124
Prostate Cancer

373 Million

   27,350 
   13,638
      192
Parkinson’s Disease

205 Million

    17,898 
   12,403
      48  
Hepatitis C

121
Million

    12,000 
  10,166
       25

Hepatitis B

36
Million

   5,000 
     6,600
        32

COPD*

66
Million

  126,128
        500
          5 

Breast Cancer

716 Million

    40,910
    17,501
   3,967 

All Cancers

  5.5 Billion

 559,650
      9,888
   3,830 

West Nile Virus
  63 Million
        161
  390,304
 14,932


1 posted on 09/11/2009 3:07:19 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GODAWGS47; japaneseghost; Stentor; Marty; Fractal Trader; metmom; John Valentine; ...

If you would like to be added to the RETHINKING PUBLIC HEALTH PING LIST drop me a FReepmail.

2 posted on 09/11/2009 3:08:37 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: All

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See my PROFILE PAGE for more.


3 posted on 09/11/2009 3:09:27 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’m not worried about the HIV virus specifically, as much as I am worried about other viruses and pathogens evolving to adopt the same mechanisms as the HIV virus.

Read the following brief on the mechanism the virus uses. Let me know if it doesn’t scare you:

http://denbeste.nu/essays/hiv.shtml


4 posted on 09/11/2009 3:12:03 PM PDT by OldSpice
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To: GodGunsGuts

Is there a chart that shows this trend in relation to deaths/cases and/or inflation. It would be interesting to see how the trend correlates to those (ie, is it an inverse?)


5 posted on 09/11/2009 3:15:35 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: OldSpice

May I suggest that you carefully go through my profile page and get back to me. Especially read the “conservative press” section of the same.

All the best—GGG


6 posted on 09/11/2009 3:16:03 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

AIDS has NEVER been a disease, but a civil rights status.


7 posted on 09/11/2009 3:18:23 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (Barack Obama: The Final Turd George W. Bush laid on America)
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To: mnehring

I’m not really sure what you’re asking. Do you want to know how many AIDS cases lead to mortality?


8 posted on 09/11/2009 3:19:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

No, what I was interested in is if the funding is going up while the cases are going down.


9 posted on 09/11/2009 3:21:19 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Boiling Pots

...not to mention a means to push the homosexual agenda, sex education, emergency public health powers, socialized medicine, not to mention just being an overall cash-cow for government science. See my profile page for more.

All the best—GGG


10 posted on 09/11/2009 3:21:29 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I am NOT surprised. Thanks for posting this...


11 posted on 09/11/2009 3:21:43 PM PDT by GOPJ (ACORN offers help to hide child sex slaves - and tells the MSM they're "performance artists"....)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Wait until Obamacare makes this "pre-existing condition" mandatory.

Since he couldn't repeal the Defense Of Marriage Act, or accomplish anything with "Gays In The Military", this will be Obamassiah's "Gift" to them, which IMHO, is what he has chosen as the "gay codeword" for AIDS by "pre-existing conditions".

If you look at the chart that GodGunsGuts posted, ANYONE employing someone with this "pre-existing condition" will IMMEDIATELY drop their company paid coverage, putting them on the taxpayer funded Obamacare dole.

(Gomer Pyle pic with "Surprise,Surprise" caption goes in this spot)

12 posted on 09/11/2009 3:22:16 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: mnehring

PS Did you see the chart in #1?


13 posted on 09/11/2009 3:22:24 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: neverdem

You’ll be stunned at these numbers.


14 posted on 09/11/2009 3:22:28 PM PDT by GOPJ (ACORN offers help to hide child sex slaves - and tells the MSM they're "performance artists"....)
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To: GOPJ

In case you missed it, you might also want to take a look at the chart in reply #1. Look at hom much money creating emergencies brings in for the Public Health Movement!


15 posted on 09/11/2009 3:24:27 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Is it true that if you have the virus that causes AIDS you automatically are accepted into the Social Security Disability Program... and can received up to $1,500 a month for over 60 years? In short if a person has the virus when they're 20 years old, they could receive social security for 80 years if they live to be a hundred?

And the disease has devolved - so it's no where near as dangerous as it once was... most of the people with the virus live as long as people without the virus.

16 posted on 09/11/2009 3:26:37 PM PDT by GOPJ (ACORN offers help to hide child sex slaves - and tells the MSM they're "performance artists"....)
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To: GodGunsGuts

There’s a real disconnect on the funding for diseases and their seriousness and funding.

COPD is very debilitating and very underfunded.

And just how big a threat is West Nile?


17 posted on 09/11/2009 3:27:49 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Yes, but I was thinking about direct trends in rates. 1 is interesting, Aids does get an inordinate amount of attention compared to other diseases.

Here is my thought. If we see an inverse correlation, where the fewer projected cases result in more funding, that indicates that the money isn’t being used for direct treatment so either someone is predicting a big increase in inflation regarding these budget numbers (through 2010) or a lot of pockets are being lined.


18 posted on 09/11/2009 3:28:01 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: GodGunsGuts
Here we go, see the inverse, as cases go down, funding still goes up, even after the decreasing trend in cases.

19 posted on 09/11/2009 3:29:36 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: GOPJ

May I suggest you read the “Conservative Press” section of my profile page for another view on what causes AIDS? All the best—GGG

PS You might also consider watching “The AIDS Catch” video. It was aired by the same people who blew the lid off the global warming scandal in their video entitled “The Great Global Warming Swindle.”


20 posted on 09/11/2009 3:30:26 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: mnehring

Gotcha now...great find!!!


21 posted on 09/11/2009 3:31:18 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom
And just how big a threat is West Nile?

Bigger than people realize, more a threat to livestock, but also, you need to consider that West Nile is carried by mosquitoes so funding to eradicate them has other benefits of lowering other mosquito born illnesses.

22 posted on 09/11/2009 3:31:32 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: metmom

http://www.environmentwriter.org/resources/backissues/ew00deja.htm


23 posted on 09/11/2009 3:42:06 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’d really like to see a breakdown of how these dollars are being spent, not just for the HIV/AIDS category, but also for the other wild outliers, breast cancer, and (on a per patient basis) West Nile virus. And I’d like to see the whole federal government funding picture, not just “NIH research dollars” for the other diseases, not just the outliers. I suspect the ratio between total federal funding and NIH funding is especially outrageous for AIDS, because of a massive number of politically-motivated “educational” programs (some of which boil to down to titillating sessions with graphic instruction in how to have lots and lots and lots of sex while sorta kinda hopefully minimizing your chance of catching or transmitting HIV) and disability payments to AIDS patients (I doubt that the total funding chart you linked to includes the disability payments).

Many years ago, I had a passing acquaintance with an HIV+ friend of a friend. This young man was getting a huge housing voucher (I believe it was directly from New York State or New York City, but a good chunk may have been ultimately coming from federal funds), sufficient to pay the full cost of a comfortable apartment, based on his “disability”, and also some sort of cash welfare payments (I think at least partly federal) and food stamps, while he attended a “job training” program in “Landscape Design”. Mind you there was no way he had the qualifications or connections to get any sort of employment in actual landscape *design*, and the program sounded like it was actually preparing people to doing mowing/mulching/hedgetrimming type work — in other words, manual labor that couldn’t possibility be performed by anyone who had a legitimate physical disability, and that is normally done by people with no formal training. The fellow was out partying 7 nights a week and didn’t show the slightest sign of illness. He also seemed to have plenty of spare cash, since he shared his excitement over the new piercings he’d gotten in unspeakable places, with accompanying little bits of gold jewelry. I’d guesstimate, translated into today’s dollars, that he was directly receiving about $30,000 a year in cash, housing vouchers, and food stamps, plus Medicaid, plus the “job training” program was covered, so altogether probably over $75,000/year to the taxpayers. This was for an “AIDS” patient who wasn’t even sick yet, and if his infection continued to develop slowly, would likely survive another 15-20 years, with gradually decreasing ability to work (hardly relevant, since he wasn’t working and had no real intention of working) and gradually increasing annual medical care costs. The final tab for that particular patient probably came in at over $1 million, and I have no reason to think he was an unusual case.

Looking at NIH funding alone doesn’t give a clear picture for other diseases either, since they vary tremendously in what type of research is suited to the disease. West Nile looks like a far more insane outlier in that table than AIDS or breast cancer, but there’s probably very little federal spending related to WNV other than NIH research and some data-gathering/processing by the CDC. And there would probably be little funding at the state level, except for seasonal spraying in certain areas, and breast cancer probably only gets a bit more non-NIH federal funding than WNV, through Medicare and Medicaid (for both screening and treatment). On the other hand, as noted above, NIH-funding is probably a tiny drop in the bucket when considering the total federal taxpayers’ bill for HIV/AIDS. WNV is clearly a real public health issue, which emerged rather suddenly, creating a need for a burst of research to find out how big a threat it really is, and for which research is appropriately done under the auspices of a federal agency, and drawing on resources from other federal agencies with expertise in entomology, local/regional weather patterns, local/regional wetlands geography, immigration/customs, etc. Breast cancer, however, is suited to having a lot of research done out of large hospitals, and with a lot of private funding — not much the federal government can really add other than cash.


24 posted on 09/11/2009 3:54:26 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: mnehring
Aids does get an inordinate amount of attention compared to other diseases.

So does breast cancer, especially as compared to prostate cancer.

25 posted on 09/11/2009 4:01:43 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

See my profile page, for another side on what causes AIDS, and what the government was up to by fanning the flames of panic (that never materialized). Pay particular attention to the “press section”, and you might also want to watch “The AIDS Catch” video. It’s a bit dated, but it is still excellent. Drop me a PM or Ping if you would like to be added to the Rethinking Public Health list.

All the best—GGG

PS Did you take a look at the table in reply #1???


26 posted on 09/11/2009 4:01:46 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Funding has be come a political tool, instead of a social economic benefit…has anyone noticed that there have not been very many scientific returns in AIDs versus Cancers?


27 posted on 09/11/2009 4:10:49 PM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: metmom
COPD is very debilitating and very underfunded.

Indeed. And like AIDS, it's overwhelmingly self-inflicted. Personally, I want to see my tax dollars focus on diseases that are not self-inflicted, and preferably federal tax dollars should only be spent on truly *public* health threats -- i.e. highly contagious diseases that threaten people going about their legitimate daily business -- these present issues of national security concern. It's not at all clear to me that the federal government has any business spending money on research for diseases which are unfortunate for the individuals who have them through no fault of their own, but pose no threat to the general public (though of course, as long as the federal government *is* funding that sort of research, the allocation of funding should reflect the number of people affected).

And just how big a threat is West Nile?

Pretty big, potentially, and a lot of the expense is to figure out how big, and under what circumstances, and in what locations. Its potential threat is pretty directly related to "global warming" and also to short-term local warming trends, but without regard to whether warming is human-caused. Studying the correlation could help ensure that preventative measures like spraying are done in areas where the expected weather forecast for the coming season is especially hospitable to mosquitoes. It's also worth studying what types of wildlife and livestock are affected.

28 posted on 09/11/2009 4:16:48 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GodGunsGuts

HIV causes AIDS. However when that finding was originally challenged (*many* years ago), the challenge made a lot of sense, and wasn’t taken nearly as seriously as it should have been in most circles. Your claim that “Many biochemical scientists now question this hypothesis” are wildly outdated. No one who still questions the fact that HIV causes AIDS is a “scientist” of any sort. But there were a lot of real scientists who should have been ashamed of themselves for jumping so firmly to the conclusion that HIV causes AIDS, long before there was anything more than circumstantial evidence of this, and for arrogantly dismissing the very valid arguments which were initially advanced to point out that the connection/causality had yet to be scientifically proven.


29 posted on 09/11/2009 4:24:36 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

While a lot of COPD is self-inflicted, not all of it is.

Nor does that account for those who are trying.

My f-i-l smoked for a while, not heavily and not long. He quit many years ago, but the damage was done and he is dying from emphysema.

So while it is true that it was self-inflicted, it isn’t like he didn’t do something about it. Besides, that was in the day when everyone was told that smoking didn’t harm anyone.

Sometimes people can be cut some slack.

The other thing is, the disparity between spending on COPD and other conditions, is way greater than can be justified, because even in many of those otehr conditions, cancer for example, much of that is self-inflicted through smoking, diet, lack of exercise, etc.

Making self-infliction a criteria for justifying spending is not good.

I’d hazard a guess that AIDS is far more self-inflicted than COPD.


30 posted on 09/11/2009 4:42:37 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
First, I agree that more per person is spent on AIDS than other diseases and maladies. Way too much.

GGG, please get a science education.

Sometime after WWII, someone either got bit by a monkey, ate a monkey or screwed a monkey with SIV (simian Immunodeficiency Virus). The virus mutated into HIV. That person infected others through sex. Back in the 70s , a gay flight attendant got it and spread it around the US. The promiscuous unprotected anal and oral sex of gays helped to quickly spread it. Later,drug addicts started getting it from sharing needles with infected gay addicts. In Africa, it was spread by heterosexual sex.

31 posted on 09/11/2009 5:36:08 PM PDT by Wacka
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To: GovernmentShrinker

==HIV causes AIDS.

The scientific evidence points to other causes.

==Your claim that “Many biochemical scientists now question this hypothesis” are wildly outdated. No one who still questions the fact that HIV causes AIDS is a “scientist” of any sort.

You couldn’t be more wrong. The list of scientists and medical doctors who questin the HIV/AIDS hypothesis grows bigger with each passing day. These include Nobel Prize Winners, Lasker Prize winners, members of the National Academy of Sciences, etc.

http://www.rethinkingaids.com/quotes/rethinkers.htm

==But there were a lot of real scientists who should have been ashamed of themselves for jumping so firmly to the conclusion that HIV causes AIDS

Agreed. And they should still feel ashamed of themselves, because the vast majority of the scientific evidence suggests that AIDS is not caused by HIV. Indeed, Duesberg et al’s predictions have virtually all come to pass, whereas the AIDS establishment predictions were wrong (and continue to be wrong) across the board.


32 posted on 09/11/2009 5:49:10 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom
I’d hazard a guess that AIDS is far more self-inflicted than COPD.

Not necessarily. Though of course there are degrees of "self-inflicted". Only a very small percentage of COPD cases are caused by a genetic defect. Then there are some caused by occupational exposure, which in some cases the workers didn't realize carried a risk (in this country, at least, if they realized it, they could almost always have called OSHA and gotten the problem fixed, unless they were here illegally). The vast majority of people with COPD got it by smoking, while knowing full well that smoking carried a wide range of very serious health risks. A few got it from childhood exposure to parents who smoked heavily.

AIDS really has a pretty similar pattern, though probably somewhat more child-acquired-from-parent cases (even in the US) where babies were born with infections contracted from their mother. There are plenty of monogamous spouses who got it from their spouse -- some had no idea their spouse was sleeping with anyone else, much less any idea the spouse was HIV+; others fall into the "should have known" their spouse was putting them at risk category. A few people have gotten from being raped or from blood transfusions. But like COPD, the overwhelming majority got it by willfully engaging in unprotected and/or promiscuous sexual behavior that they knew full well carried a significant risk of contracting this deadly infection.

I think self-infliction is a very good criterion for justifying spending. Not just in health matters, but in all areas. I don't think we should be handing out food stamps and housing vouchers to people who are poor because they choose to play around instead of working. And I don't see why spending for healthcare or related research should be any different. Paying for self-inflicted conditions promotes a cultural idea that "you really couldn't help it", can't be expected to control yourself, and shouldn't have to suffer because you made dangerous choices that you knew full well were dangerous -- this promotes a cultural idea that we shouldn't be "judgemental" about such behavior, which leads to tacit acceptance of such behavior, which leads to a lot more people engaging in it. We're heading down a very slippery slope, with fully half the nation's healthcare spending being directly related to obesity and its predictable side effects. Most of this is public (tax) spending, and a huge amount is for people who have stuffed themselves into diabetes, then refused to manage their diabetes, and gone into kidney failure. Currently, kidney failure, regardless of cause, gets a person on full Medicare coverage for ALL their medical care (largely because kidney failure is so all-encompassing, that it's hard to classify other conditions as "unrelated"). The fact is that in many neighborhoods, the culture is now fully accepting of massive obesity, and fully accepting of massively obese parents giving even very young children virtually unlimited access to junk food. One reason it's so accepted is that these people don't literally end up either dying in gutters or bankrupting their families -- they end up getting all-encompassing taxpayer-paid medical care that many of their not-yet-in-kidney-failure friends and relatives are eager to get.

Of course, when it comes to paying for healthcare for an individual, the facts of how THAT person came to get a certain condition need to be paramount, regardless of how huge a percentage of people with the condition got it by self-infliction.

33 posted on 09/11/2009 6:00:46 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
breast cancer does get a lot of attention compared to prostate cancer, however, breast cancer does affect young women and middle age women and prostate really is an older man's disease....infact, some doctors will say that if a man lives long enough, he'll get prostate cancer...

prostate cancer is also a slow progresser, meaning one could live a long time with it even without treatment, in many if not most cases...

34 posted on 09/11/2009 6:43:02 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry

It kills just as many men as breast cancer kills women.


35 posted on 09/11/2009 10:14:45 PM PDT by Wacka
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To: GodGunsGuts

I have been complaining of this for years to any and all who would listen. The problem is almost no one is listening.

Have you ever once heard this cost mentioned in all the talk of healthcare ‘reform?’ The statistics I have read are that AIDS costs est $340,000 per preson’s life in US.

AIDS is a wholly preventable disease unlike heart disease and diabetes. Yet all we ever hear about is how heart disease and diabetes are preventable. They aren’t.

The AIDS population is not heterosexuals. It is majority homosexual and minority iv drug users. It is basically a disease transmitted through anal sex. But no one is allowed to state this simple fact.


36 posted on 09/12/2009 9:30:26 AM PDT by dervish (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself)
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To: dervish

I agree with you on everything you said, except for what you implied causes AIDS. See my profile page for more. See especially the “Conservative Press” section... “The AIDS Catch” video is also quite good (a bit dated, but excellent nonetheless...they are the same people who aired “The Greate Global Warming Swindle). Finally, I think is high time that the American people forced their Reps to ask the AIDS establishment to explain how all Duesberg et al’s predictions were right, and to further explain why the AIDS establishment predictions were wrong across the board. All the best—GGG


37 posted on 09/12/2009 9:40:15 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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