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ChronWatch ^ | 2009 | Rich Carroll

Posted on 10/09/2009 7:04:07 PM PDT by patriot08

Rich Carroll

Readers may recall Aesop's fable of the snake persuading a buffalo to give him a ride across the river if the snake promised not to bite. Once across, the snake of course bites the bison and responds with, "Well, you knew what I was when you gave me the ride."

And so, we continue to embrace the culture of Islam, ever-so hopeful that a cult which has nurtured and nourished the last eleven thousand terrorist plots killing thousands of men, women, and children, will not pick us to be next.

Under the banner of tolerance we have failed to take Muslims seriously, failed to recognize the malevolent dogma of Islam that demands its followers practice violent and deadly Intolerance. We cower in their presence, careful not to "offend," and watch Muslims use the freedoms that are unique to our way of life as a weapon against all freedom because to our current liberally influenced Americans to be intolerant is a fate worst than death.

We have failed to understand the word "Allah" pre-dates Islam, long before Mohammed, and referenced an astral cult who worshiped the sun, moon and stars. Wielding their vengeful justice, they killed by the light of a full moon...the "blood moon."

We fail to grasp people who scream "peace" while refusing to live along-side anyone who does not share their belief. We fail to grasp the significance of Muslims not allowing Christian church's to be built on their land under penalty of death.

We have failed to grasp Islam's goal is not for territory or political freedom, but for global cultural domination and they plan wars not based on weeks or months but decades and centuries. We eagerly surrender ourselves to a skulking cult because for so many, we have subordinated old fashioned American character and "guts" because it is easier to become a surrendering coward than to stand-up to thugs.

American culture is awash in trivial minutia of information that's meaningless and has no relevance to their daily life. Benjamin Franklin must have looked ahead to our time in the future when he warned that our democracy required: "A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins." Why don't we care enough about the lives today or the lives of our children to look these things up?

The PEW Research Center survey among Muslims living in America disclosed 26 per cent of those age 18 to 29 believe that suicide bombing can be justified. Translated to simpler terms, this represents 250,000 living here in the United States who think it's "okay" to bomb you. The same survey revealed 39 per cent of this same age group believe that Muslims in America should remain distant from our society at large.

The PEW numbers alone should raise the eyebrow of anyone who still maintains this outfit is "peaceful.'' Among other goodies the PEW research discovered was Muslims living in America being "clearly concerned over U.S. foreign policy and its impact on Muslims around the world." Muslims take full advantage of our existing laws interpreted by liberal courts to file 2,500 civil-rights complaints in 2006. (The number will be closer to 4,000 in 2007 at the current rate of advocacy group filings). I find this incredulous.

What a waste of our resources and sincere good intentions Muslims are slaughtering non-Muslims in 44 countries today and THEY are worried how America impacts them!? According to PEW, 60 per cent of Muslims consider themselves "Muslims first. They have no intention of assimilating our "melting pot" culture.

Islam makes no effort to hide their intent to eradicate Israel and the western culture that has befriended her. Muslims moving to the United States refuse to blend with our culture... their holy book, the Quar'an, expressly forbids them to do so.

Muslims in America are "offended" by everything that is America. Terrorism is the backbone of the deen [Islamic way of life]. Allah said "to terrify the enemies we should prepare ourselves [Jihad]. Jihad is a religious obligation. It is the religious obligation of a father to teach his son to be a mujahideen to protect the authority of sharia law. Mohammed took part in 27 offensive jihads.

My first question to the reader is to ask any Muslim to explain their feelings about Jews and their historic ambition to annihilate the Jewish nation. My second question for the reader involves human nature: If you were a member of say, the Lutheran Church, and that denomination was murderously butchering non-Lutherans around the globe would you continue to be a member? Would you and other Lutherans call for accountability of these actions?

Speaking "peace" with one tongue and ignoring or denying the global Muslim slaughtering of innocent people would not make sense to Sigmund Freud or any rational human. Training young children to kill as many innocent bystanders as possible is far from "peaceful"; it is demonic madness. Until Muslims living in the United States begin denouncing, often and loudly, the bloodlust their cult propagates, then they have no intentions of becoming "American."

Until Muslims can live and work in our communities without suing someone for mentioning "bacon," they have no intentions of becoming "American." Until Muslims denounce the currency of fear to press Islam's global agenda they will be taken for exactly what they are: A murderous, envious cult killing their way into the gates of a blood covered moon god. Until Americans begin standing these cultists up for their culpable silence to murder, we as a nation fall further into the pit of Muslim hell and closer to the day our grandchildren will wear sharia clothing.

American citizens must take back our nation and loudly denounce elected officials who kiss the ass of wretched Muslim cultists who derive their place in heaven from the shrapnel of car bombs and the blood of women and children. But that's not going to happen until Americans can begin paying closer attention to Islam's move into their neighborhoods and less attention to what a starlet ate for lunch.

If we don't act now, our sovereignty and freedoms will be drowned-out by the shrill din of five daily calls to Muslim prayer that are heard in France and England each day. The most popular baby name in England now is "Mohammed." Wake up America. Is a "blood moon" in your future?

TOPICS: Conspiracy; Religion
KEYWORDS: clashofcivilizations; domesticjihad; globaljihad; islam; jihad; obama; tm
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Richard Carroll is an op-ed writer and the author of the books, "Terrorists' Crossing" and "Orphaned Heroes."
1 posted on 10/09/2009 7:04:07 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: patriot08
We have failed to understand the word "Allah" pre-dates Islam, long before Mohammed, and referenced an astral cult who worshiped the sun, moon and stars. Wielding their vengeful justice, they killed by the light of a full moon...the "blood moon."

I'd appreciate a reference or two for the blood moon business.

"Allah" is actually the Arabic word for "god" and is used as such by Arab Christians and in Arabic Bibles.

It is cognate with the Hebrew words El and Elohim, which have the same meaning.

2 posted on 10/09/2009 7:23:56 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Sherman Logan

This is the least important part of the article.

3 posted on 10/09/2009 7:48:55 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: patriot08

“Readers may recall Aesop’s fable”

Cool, start with folksy fable, lead to Islam, cult, terrorist plots, killing thousands of men, women, and children, … pick us to be next.” ( chest thump ).

RC, my recall is these Mussies & Tallies have been around quite a wile, allies in part or less; through several world wars and more recently down-on Afghan’s Russian occupiers. I don’t know what really is afoot in hate Isies, Id bet you don’t either. Its an issue of leadership not religion. The bosses work a worp factor.

Control the Imamers, are not all that hard find nor all that able to hide like gentle Ben. Not all that tough to get at either, up close and personal. Just kinda makes Rab wonder, Why we don’t.

4 posted on 10/09/2009 8:06:43 PM PDT by Rabin
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To: Rabin; rxsid; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; GOPJ; BP2; ...
60 per cent of Muslims consider themselves "Muslims first. They have no intention of assimilating our "melting pot" culture.

Islam makes no effort to hide their intent to eradicate Israel and the western culture that has befriended her. Muslims moving to the United States refuse to blend with our culture... their holy book, the Quar'an, expressly forbids them to do so.

Muslims in America are "offended" by everything that is America.

. . . Might be of interest.

5 posted on 10/10/2009 2:44:21 PM PDT by LucyT (............... Please Donate to FR. . . 13% donations 2nd week = 120 day freepathon.)
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To: LucyT
60 per cent of Muslims consider themselves "Muslims first. They have no intention of assimilating our "melting pot" culture.

Well, then they should go home.

6 posted on 10/10/2009 2:49:44 PM PDT by GOPJ (Nominated:Chamberlain, Hitler, Stalin. Winners: Arafat,Carter, Gore, Obama.(Nobel Prizes of Shame))
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To: LucyT

Golly, I’m “offended by everything” that is Muslim. Perhaps that is why I stay in my own country.

7 posted on 10/10/2009 3:09:35 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks (Dollar a Day Member..............Free Republic is not Free!)
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8 posted on 10/10/2009 3:09:39 PM PDT by LucyT (............... Please Donate to FR. . . 13% donations 2nd week = 120 day freepathon.)
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To: LucyT

The “oh so thin skinned” get mocked! Funny.

9 posted on 10/10/2009 3:14:11 PM PDT by GOPJ (Nominated:Chamberlain, Hitler, Stalin. Winners: Arafat,Carter, Gore, Obama.(Nobel Prizes of Shame))
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To: LucyT

Preserving The Islamic Identity in The West Threats & Solutions

By Br. Amir Abdullah

Should they gain the upper hand over you, they would behave to you as enemies, and stretch forth their hands and their tongues against you with evil, and they desire that you should disbelieve. [Qur’an Al-Mumtahinah 60:2]

The Islamic identity of Muslims in Australia is rapidly being dissolved in the melting pot of this society. Clearly our identity is under threat as we see our ideologies, beliefs and manners give way to the ideologies, beliefs and manners of the Kuffar. The preservation of the Islamic identity has become a challenge rather than something we can take for granted. What makes this challenge unique, however, is that there is no Islamic leadership, no Caliphate and no country in which protection or guidance can be sought.

For a multitude of reasons, most of which are not in accordance with Islam, Muslims have been flocking to non-Muslim countries. Some come as refugees, many come for a better standard of living, others to get education, be near to their relatives, and some for Da’wah. The result of this is a new problem, which has not existed for centuries - Muslims are being exposed, on an unprecedented scale to non-Muslim cultures and beliefs. In fact, many are now born in these countries, and instead of being raised with a sound Islamic identity, many are taking the Christian values of their ‘adopted home’. It is of little surprise that we see many Muslims turn from Islam in later life.

This article aims to expose some of the sources of misguidance for Muslims living amongst the Kuffar, as well as some solutions and defences we can employ.

The Islamic Identity

Firstly, it is necessary to define what is meant by the term “Islamic identity” . The Islamic Identity is taken to mean the way of life of the Muslim - an all-encompassing set of beliefs, practices and ideologies as derived from the Qur’an and the example of Muhammad (saws). The Islamic identity is that which separates us from the Kuffar.


The education system is typically where the indoctrination process begins. Muslim school children are sent off by their parents to Kafir schools with good intentions of an education and a chance at a better life (in this world, at least). The children are placed in an environment where the mixing of sexes is not only tolerated but encouraged through the placement of children in multi-gender sporting teams and class groups. These children grow up to believe such behaviour is normal. This leads, in most cases, to the m passing off the Islamic requirement of segregated sexes as ‘old fashioned’ or ‘backward’. After years in an environment as free as this, it is no surprise that we see so many young Muslims with ‘boyfriends’, and ‘girlfriends’.

A major component of the education system is to turn the students into ‘good Australians’. To be a good Australian means to obey the laws of the land even if they conflict with the laws of Allah. We see this from the earliest stages of the child’s education in the form of flag-raising ceremonies each morning in which the children sing the national anthem and stand in respect as the flag of the non-Muslims is raised over their heads.

In later stages, the indoctrination becomes more advanced through subjects such as politics and legal studies. In these studies, the ‘benefits’ of western-style democracy and the Westminster system of government are taught. The children are taught that Shirk is the best form of government. They are taught that being a “good citizen” is about voting and participation in this Shirk-based system. By the time the child passes through the digestive tract of the Kaffir educational system, he or she will probably see him/herself as an Australian first and a Muslim second. The effect on the Islamic identity is that it is replaced with, in best case scenarios, a watered-down Islamic identity, and in the extreme case, a total Kaffir identity.

Every subject taught to the Muslim has a hidden agenda - to foster disbelief and moral decline. In Human Education, our children are being taught that being promiscuous is a ‘natural part of growing up’. These enemies of Allah are even equipping our children with contraceptive devices, under our noses, giving them their tacit approval to commit adultery. These same classes teach that homosexuality is something that ‘cannot be helped’ and as such is a perfectly ‘normal’ kind of behaviour.

In History, we see a euro-centric view of the world in which the Christians are viewed as the only people worthy of any respect or any admiration. It is rare that mention is ever made of the great contribution made to the Occidental world from the Orient. It is even rarer that the names of the great Muslim scientists are mentioned. It is no wonder that many Muslim children end up with a sense of shame in being Muslim. This shame is often shown in their refusal to use their ‘Muslim names’, e.g. suddenly Muhammad becomes known as ‘Mike’.

When the Christians (according to their curriculum) have done all the “good things” can you honestly blame them? These seeds of shame planted in the mind of the Muslim child will bear the sour fruits of disbelief in later life and serve to ensure the Islamic identity is destroyed.

Despite Australia’ s claims of being a secular society, the education system places a heavy, though largely invisible, emphasis on Christian beliefs and practices. In the lead up to Christmas it is not extraordinary for even government-run schools to hold nativity plays, or make the students engage in Christmas-based activities, such as making Christmas cards or so forth. This coupled with the fact that the Muslim student is probably a minority in a school full of Kaffirs, serves to pressure the Muslim child into adopting practices that are clearly not from Islam. The Muslim child will see his or her friends exchanging presents at Christmas and may expect the same at home. Often the schools present these Christian practices in such a way that the child may even be unaware that they are acting out the behaviour of the disbelievers. It is important that parents are aware of this and take the necessary steps to prevent it or at least ensure it does not impact the child.

Of course whilst the empirical source of this is the Kuffar and his puppeteer, the Shaytan, we cannot blame them entirely. We must also look to ourselves. Muslim families, having lost much of their Islamic values, have sold out to the West. By sending our children to kindergarten and child care centers we are sending our children to be suckled by the Shaytan. One need only look at the high number of child molestation’ s that occur in these places to see the truth of this. It is out of neglect for our Islamic duties, and a love of dunya , that we neglect our children. Muslim mothers are choosing to work rather than stay home and ensure their children are educated Islamically. The so-called “woman’s liberation movement” has indeed succeeded in “ liberating women” - liberating them from the shackles of responsible parenting. Fathers, drunk on western commercialism, are emphasizing economic and material growth of the family unit over spiritual growth. If these children received the proper Islamic education at home, perhaps the wolves of disbelief would not find them such easy prey.

Proper Islamic education should counter the lies and the corruption fed to the children in school. It should be presented in such a way as to engender a feeling of pride in Islam. Furthermore, it should cover Islamic history to offset the lies taught in History, Islamic law to offset the lies taught in Legal Studies. Parents must take responsibility for arming their students with correct Aqeedah and sound knowledge to defend themselves from these wolves and the decline of the Islamic identity.


The media plays a critical part in non-Muslim society. Not only does the television serve as a window to the outside world, but for many families it also serves as a defacto baby-sitter. Muslims need to be aware that the view of the world presented by the television and indeed other mediums is through the eyes of a non-believer.

We can see this non-belief represented in a number of areas, particularly in the coverage of the news and in the moral bankruptcy of much of the media content.

The news provides us with an insight into the world around us. A world where Mujahideen are called ‘terrorists’, where the Straight Path is called ‘ Islamic fundamentalism’, and where all Muslims are misogynistic wife-bashers. Over time, this can engender a feeling of self-hatred in the adult and child Muslim viewer. It creates a feeling of shame if constantly the word Muslim is used synonymously with everything bad in the world. When a Muslim no longer feels pride in Islam, then the progression to disbelief is easy. Adult Muslims should be sure to watch the news with a critical eye. They should be aware that what they are seeing is often far from reality, and they should use their understanding of Islam as a benchmark for determining the truth from falsehood.

Perhaps, the television’s most significant effect is to take filthy, evil and unIslamic behaviour and give it a cloak of respectability. It serves to convince the Muslim viewer that what they are seeing is the social norm. A good example is the so-called love scene that forms such a crucial element in the Kaffirs’ movie o r TV show. They paint the picture that somehow in some sort of sick way that zina equates with love and is a ‘natural’ behaviour. It is only to be expected that after years of constant bombardment with this message that the initial disgust a Muslim feels subsides to acceptance.

Next time your children have the television on, be warned that what they are watching contains messages designed specifically to enter the mind of the child or young person. In the case of many cartoons, for example, we see elements of idol worship couple d with the taking of partners with Allah Ta’ala. So many of these cartoons have a mythological underpinning with a focus on idolatry and false gods. All of these cartoons and so forth are laying the foundation for turning the children into Mushriks. For example Superman, where people in need call out to this caped Kafir in his underwear to save the day with his god-like powers. How many Muslim children spend their formative years acting out imagined scenes from Superman or other similar cartoons? This is something in direct opposition to the principles of Tawheed that we, as Muslims, should seek the help of Allah alone.

Many young people’s shows also focus heavily on parental-child conflict and often attempt to paint this sort of behaviour as a ‘normal’ part of growing up. Typically, the solution to this conflict is either to fight back or to run away. In either case it teaches the children an Islamically inappropriate response to any conflict.

Aside from showing us the outside world, the media dictates how we look at ourselves. It provides a benchmark for judging ourselves and others. The media shows us how others live, or how others behave. It defines how we view success, what qualities we see as admirable, what behaviour we see as normal. Take for example the so-called lifestyle shows that feature so prominently on TV. We see expensive houses, lavishly decorated with all the trappings of dunya and this is pushed onto us as the Australian ideal. If we are not strong in Islam then these media-generated standards get adopted as our own. We’ ll start to equate success with owning an expensive car or living in a big house. We’ll start to think that beauty is dependent on how we look. We’ll start to forget about the paradise that Allah has promised those that believe, and we’ll start trying to create a ‘paradise’ right here in dunya. This is one of the major threats to our Islamic identity.

The best solution to the threat of the media lies in active censorship and in education. Active censorship means to be aware that what we are viewing is not necessarily the reality but rather a Kafir view of reality. We should constantly be evaluating the message or the content of a particular piece of media against our understanding of Islam to determine if it is right or wrong. Contrast this to a passive approach where the viewer sees the media as an infallible source of information, accepting blindly the message being presented without questioning its appropriateness in an Islamic sense. As adults we should likewise apply this to our children’s viewing. We should pay close attention to the messages being fed to our children and be sure to counter anything unIslamic with sound evidence from the Qur’an and hadith as to why such-and-such is not good. This goes hand in hand with the education of the children to think Islamically and to know that what is Halal and Haraam to a Muslim is not necessarily what is good and bad in a Kafir’s view.

Mixing With the Kaffirs

It is a fact of life that we must, to some extent, keep close company with the Kuffar. This is almost unavoidable given that we work, study and, unfortunately, play with them.

The Prophet (saws) said that whoever is with a people for 40 days or more begins to take on some of their characteristics. As such, we must be very careful of mixing with the Kuffar because, whether we realise it or not, we are assuming some of their behaviour and beliefs.

Possibly this represents the biggest threat to the Muslim in this country because the media and education can easily be censored. Also, the indoctrination is far more open and direct, whereas through mixing, our Islamic identity’ s erosion is far more sublime.

There are many ways in which too much contact with the Kuffar will lead to us losing our identities. The taking of Kuffar for close friends is something that Allah has clearly warned out in the Qur’an yet it is something so many of us do. With any friends, Kuffar or Muslim, it is natural that we will seek to please them. Allah tells us that the Kuffar will only be happy once we disbelieve. It therefore follows that the way that a Muslim pleases his Kuffar friend is to exhibit signs of disbelief. The Kaffir is probably not even aware that he is leading his friend astray, and probably neither is the Muslim.

If a Muslim associates with the Kuffar, he will make efforts to ‘fit in’ with this group. In order to ‘fit in’ we must act like Australians. Fitting in typically consists of adjusting our Islam to a religion more acceptable to the Kuffar we are associating w ith so intimately. It is this that gives rise to what Sayyid Qutb would call an apologetic mindset. Where Muslims feel inclined to explain every ‘strange behaviour’ to the disbelievers. “ Well, those people who blow up busses in Israel.. they are not real Muslims”.

Often the first thing Muslims will modify is their style of dress. Whilst a seemingly trivial change, it often represents more than what it seems. When a Muslim sees the Kafirs dressed in a certain way, and chooses to imitate them to ‘fit in ‘, it’s a compromise. Once a Muslim has compromised once, it becomes easier to compromise again. The beard gets shaved. The Hijab comes off. Halal meat gives way to Haram meat. Perhaps even a drink with his ‘mates’ after work becomes permissible. Eventually the Muslim is left with a watered-down, Kafir-friendly Islam that often bears more resemblance to the beliefs of the Mushrik than the Mo’min.

Muslims must be aware of the hidden effects of this. Furthermore, the best protection is to keep amongst other Muslims. Whilst it is a necessity for some contact with the Kuffar, we should limit it to the bare minimum and make sincere efforts to offset it with contact with other Muslims. This is an important part of keeping our Islamic identity and indeed keeping Islam alive in this country.

The points mentioned are a few of many. Every aspect of Kafir society is designed to mislead us from the straight path, even if we cannot see it.


Narrated Samara bin Jundub, Allah’s Messenger (saws) said:

” Anybody (from among the Muslims) who meets, gathers together, lives, and stays with a Mushrik, and agrees to his ways, opinions, etc. and enjoys his living with him (Mushrik) then he (that Muslim) is like him (Mushrik)” [Sunan Abu Dawud - The Book of Jihad]

There is a defense that can be applied that will render every effort by the Kuffar useless, and serve to keep our Islamic identity intact. This defence is knowledge. The Muslim should arm himself with a correct Aqeedah and an awareness of what it means to be Muslim. Any attack, any attempt to subvert or mislead will then be in vain. If the Muslim knows the true nature of this society and if he can see how it is designed to mislead, then he will not fall into its traps. This ability to distinguish from right and wrong and chose right comes from a correct Aqeedah.

The strength of the family unit is also a defence. The father is the shepherd of the household and like any other shepherd he should protect his flock from the wolves. In this case the wolves are the Kuffar, and the protection is to pass the knowledge onto the children and his wives. The children should be provided with a sound Islamic education outside of their schooling. This is imperative if the children are to be strong enough to avoid the many pitfalls they w ill face. They should be taught that the only truth in this world is the Qur’an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (saws) and that all else must be judged against these two noble criterion.

Finally, there is a solution guaranteed to remove the risks, and that is to remove oneself from amongst the disbelievers.

It is therefore unavoidable that as long as we live here we will, through a process of cultural osmosis, take on some of the characteristics of the Kuffar. The likeness of Islam and Kuffar is like that of fresh clear spring water and water brought up from the bottom of a suburban sewer. If even a drop of the filthy water enters the clear water, the clarity diminishes. Likewise it only takes a drop of the filth of disbelief to contaminate Islam in the West. If we have it within our means we should therefore consider moving to a Muslim land whereby we can at least live amongst our brethren and within an Islamic society free from the contamination of the disbelievers.

10 posted on 10/10/2009 3:25:53 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Sherman Logan; Islaminaction
Sherman Logan ~ "Allah" is actually the Arabic word for "god" and is used as such by Arab Christians and in Arabic Bibles.

Islaminaction ~ This is the least important part of the article.

Least important and not particularly accurate. Technically yes, it is the word is used in arabic language Bibles.

BUT there was an article right here on FR recently where the mooooooooslims strenuously objected to Christians calling the Christian God by the name allah.

They made it quite clear that allah is the god of the queer-ann, and it is NOT the God of the Torah or the Bible.

Got that? THEY say that allah is NOT God.

Let me repeat that:

mohammedan clerics INSISTED that allah is not GOD.

11 posted on 10/10/2009 3:37:30 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 261 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void

I’d like a reference please.

The Koran itself is quite clear the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) worship the same God, just not in the right way.

That’s why the PotB aren’t supposed to be massacred if they refuse to convert, the way actual pagans are.

12 posted on 10/10/2009 3:44:29 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: null and void

Sura 29:46

Do not argue with the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) except in the nicest possible manner - unless they transgress - and say, “We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is one and the same; to Him we are submitters.”

13 posted on 10/10/2009 3:48:53 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Sherman Logan
"I'd appreciate a reference or two for the blood moon business."

Allah the Moon God

The Cult of the Moon God

Was Allah the moon Gog of ancient Pagan"

Is Allah the name of God"

14 posted on 10/10/2009 3:53:07 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: Sherman Logan; backhoe; null and void; Fred Nerks; Spunky; patriot08

Islam’s 20-point-plan for conquering the US of A by 2020


Islam, a Religion of Peace®? Some backhoe

15 posted on 10/10/2009 4:03:20 PM PDT by LucyT (............... Please Donate to FR. . . 14% donations 2nd week = 119 day freepathon.)
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To: Spunky

No comments in your references about a “blood moon” during which the Muslims slaughter their enemies.

16 posted on 10/10/2009 4:09:11 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Fred Nerks

Actually, this is a very good explanation of the process by which secular culture infiltrates any group that tries to maintain more traditional moral standards and beliefs.

Not that all traditional moral standards and beliefs deserve to be preserved.

17 posted on 10/10/2009 4:16:19 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Sherman Logan
I’d like a reference please.

Thought you might. Couldn't find the FR thread, but...

Malaysian judge ordering Christian paper to stop referring to God as Allah

18 posted on 10/10/2009 4:16:32 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 261 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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Qur’an 68:15 “When you recite Our proofs and verses (from the Qur’an) they cry, ‘Tales of the ancients, mere fables of long ago.’ Soon shall We muzzle them and brand the beast on the snout!” Ouch! Muhammad’s Lord chafes when he’s called a plagiarizer. Must be hitting a little too close to home. Let’s turn to the Sira to see how close... Ishaq:180 “According to my information, the Apostle often sat by a young Christian slave named Jabr. The Meccans said, ‘He is the one who teaches Muhammad most of what he brings.’” Then Allah revealed, Qur’an 16:103 “We know what they (pagans) say: ‘It is only a mortal man who teaches him (Muhammad). But the tongue of the man they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this (Qur’an) is pure Arabic.’” When accused of plagiarism, the best Team Islam could do was to claim that the Bible Jabr was quoting from wasn’t written in Arabic. That’s a problem. First, by responding to the Meccan’s claim that Muhammad was out of his mind, a demon-possessed madman, plagiarizing scripture, the Qur’an confirmed that these were legitimate concerns. Muhammad’s kin were convinced he was demon possessed and insane.

Second, the Qur’an continues to reflect man’s least civil nature rather than rising above the fray and inspiring humankind. Name-calling isn’t divine and the never-ending argument isn’t motivational. Further, without the supplemental “scripture” from the Hadith, the Qur’an’s response is senseless. No one would have any way of knowing who was talking to whom, or why. Senseless material that floats aimlessly outside place, circumstance, and time doesn’t belong in a book that claims to be dictated word for word by God.

Third, if Arabic was Allah’s chosen language for revelation, why were “his” earlier revelations written in Hebrew and Greek? And as illiterates, Team Islam remains confused as to how translations work. Words are just tools, names for things and ideas mankind uses to convey a message. Every language has a word for demon, god, mad, and plagiarize. But this argument goes to the root of why today’s Muslims say their Qur’anic message can’t be translated - they still don’t understand the nature of language. Little do they know, the Greek Gospels they are so fond of claiming credit for literally began their existence as translations of Aramaic conversations.

Fourth, the source of the Qur’an’s inspiration and its audience was so dimwitted, the claim was posited that changing the language obfuscated the source. That’s as lame as Muslims claiming that Muhammad couldn’t have stolen his Qur’an from the Bible because he couldn’t read, suggesting the surahs were miraculous. Yet even the Qur’an pokes holes in this argument by saying the Jews incorrectly read their scriptures to Muhammad, saying words that weren’t really on their scrolls. All this Christian source had to do was to verbally convey the gist of the Biblical stories. And judging by the quality of the material we are reading, the prophet was qualified to twist them from there.

Fifth, by bringing this argument, the Qur’an injured itself. The rebuttal is a lie. The Qur’an wasn’t written in “pure Arabic.” The plethora of parentheses in the Qur’an text we have been examining proves this. They were put there to fill in missing words, fix the grammatical errors, solve the problem of dangling participles, and render a discernable message. Moreover, as you’ll discover in the “Source Material” appendix, the Qur’an’s most important words are foreign. They are Christian Syriac or Rabbinic Hebrew. Allah’s book contains many words that have no meaning in any language, including Arabic. In its defense, the Qur’an says only Allah knows what they mean. But that defeats the whole purpose of scripture.


19 posted on 10/10/2009 4:18:45 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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I think Mohammed outranks a Malaysian judge in the Muslim hierarchy.

20 posted on 10/10/2009 4:18:53 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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