Skip to comments.BLOOD MOON
Posted on 10/09/2009 7:04:07 PM PDT by patriot08
Readers may recall Aesop's fable of the snake persuading a buffalo to give him a ride across the river if the snake promised not to bite. Once across, the snake of course bites the bison and responds with, "Well, you knew what I was when you gave me the ride."
And so, we continue to embrace the culture of Islam, ever-so hopeful that a cult which has nurtured and nourished the last eleven thousand terrorist plots killing thousands of men, women, and children, will not pick us to be next.
Under the banner of tolerance we have failed to take Muslims seriously, failed to recognize the malevolent dogma of Islam that demands its followers practice violent and deadly Intolerance. We cower in their presence, careful not to "offend," and watch Muslims use the freedoms that are unique to our way of life as a weapon against all freedom because to our current liberally influenced Americans to be intolerant is a fate worst than death.
We have failed to understand the word "Allah" pre-dates Islam, long before Mohammed, and referenced an astral cult who worshiped the sun, moon and stars. Wielding their vengeful justice, they killed by the light of a full moon...the "blood moon."
We fail to grasp people who scream "peace" while refusing to live along-side anyone who does not share their belief. We fail to grasp the significance of Muslims not allowing Christian church's to be built on their land under penalty of death.
We have failed to grasp Islam's goal is not for territory or political freedom, but for global cultural domination and they plan wars not based on weeks or months but decades and centuries. We eagerly surrender ourselves to a skulking cult because for so many, we have subordinated old fashioned American character and "guts" because it is easier to become a surrendering coward than to stand-up to thugs.
American culture is awash in trivial minutia of information that's meaningless and has no relevance to their daily life. Benjamin Franklin must have looked ahead to our time in the future when he warned that our democracy required: "A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins." Why don't we care enough about the lives today or the lives of our children to look these things up?
The PEW Research Center survey among Muslims living in America disclosed 26 per cent of those age 18 to 29 believe that suicide bombing can be justified. Translated to simpler terms, this represents 250,000 living here in the United States who think it's "okay" to bomb you. The same survey revealed 39 per cent of this same age group believe that Muslims in America should remain distant from our society at large.
The PEW numbers alone should raise the eyebrow of anyone who still maintains this outfit is "peaceful.'' Among other goodies the PEW research discovered was Muslims living in America being "clearly concerned over U.S. foreign policy and its impact on Muslims around the world." Muslims take full advantage of our existing laws interpreted by liberal courts to file 2,500 civil-rights complaints in 2006. (The number will be closer to 4,000 in 2007 at the current rate of advocacy group filings). I find this incredulous.
What a waste of our resources and sincere good intentions Muslims are slaughtering non-Muslims in 44 countries today and THEY are worried how America impacts them!? According to PEW, 60 per cent of Muslims consider themselves "Muslims first. They have no intention of assimilating our "melting pot" culture.
Islam makes no effort to hide their intent to eradicate Israel and the western culture that has befriended her. Muslims moving to the United States refuse to blend with our culture... their holy book, the Quar'an, expressly forbids them to do so.
Muslims in America are "offended" by everything that is America. Terrorism is the backbone of the deen [Islamic way of life]. Allah said "to terrify the enemies we should prepare ourselves [Jihad]. Jihad is a religious obligation. It is the religious obligation of a father to teach his son to be a mujahideen to protect the authority of sharia law. Mohammed took part in 27 offensive jihads.
My first question to the reader is to ask any Muslim to explain their feelings about Jews and their historic ambition to annihilate the Jewish nation. My second question for the reader involves human nature: If you were a member of say, the Lutheran Church, and that denomination was murderously butchering non-Lutherans around the globe would you continue to be a member? Would you and other Lutherans call for accountability of these actions?
Speaking "peace" with one tongue and ignoring or denying the global Muslim slaughtering of innocent people would not make sense to Sigmund Freud or any rational human. Training young children to kill as many innocent bystanders as possible is far from "peaceful"; it is demonic madness. Until Muslims living in the United States begin denouncing, often and loudly, the bloodlust their cult propagates, then they have no intentions of becoming "American."
Until Muslims can live and work in our communities without suing someone for mentioning "bacon," they have no intentions of becoming "American." Until Muslims denounce the currency of fear to press Islam's global agenda they will be taken for exactly what they are: A murderous, envious cult killing their way into the gates of a blood covered moon god. Until Americans begin standing these cultists up for their culpable silence to murder, we as a nation fall further into the pit of Muslim hell and closer to the day our grandchildren will wear sharia clothing.
American citizens must take back our nation and loudly denounce elected officials who kiss the ass of wretched Muslim cultists who derive their place in heaven from the shrapnel of car bombs and the blood of women and children. But that's not going to happen until Americans can begin paying closer attention to Islam's move into their neighborhoods and less attention to what a starlet ate for lunch.
If we don't act now, our sovereignty and freedoms will be drowned-out by the shrill din of five daily calls to Muslim prayer that are heard in France and England each day. The most popular baby name in England now is "Mohammed." Wake up America. Is a "blood moon" in your future?
I'd appreciate a reference or two for the blood moon business.
"Allah" is actually the Arabic word for "god" and is used as such by Arab Christians and in Arabic Bibles.
It is cognate with the Hebrew words El and Elohim, which have the same meaning.
This is the least important part of the article.
“Readers may recall Aesop’s fable”
Cool, start with folksy fable, lead to Islam, cult, terrorist plots, killing thousands of men, women, and children, pick us to be next.” ( chest thump ).
RC, my recall is these Mussies & Tallies have been around quite a wile, allies in part or less; through several world wars and more recently down-on Afghan’s Russian occupiers. I dont know what really is afoot in hate Isies, Id bet you dont either. Its an issue of leadership not religion. The bosses work a worp factor.
Control the Imamers, are not all that hard find nor all that able to hide like gentle Ben. Not all that tough to get at either, up close and personal. Just kinda makes Rab wonder, Why we dont.
Islam makes no effort to hide their intent to eradicate Israel and the western culture that has befriended her. Muslims moving to the United States refuse to blend with our culture... their holy book, the Quar'an, expressly forbids them to do so.
Muslims in America are "offended" by everything that is America.
. . . Might be of interest.
Well, then they should go home.
Golly, I’m “offended by everything” that is Muslim. Perhaps that is why I stay in my own country.
The “oh so thin skinned” get mocked! Funny.
Preserving The Islamic Identity in The West Threats & Solutions
By Br. Amir Abdullah
Should they gain the upper hand over you, they would behave to you as enemies, and stretch forth their hands and their tongues against you with evil, and they desire that you should disbelieve. [Qur’an Al-Mumtahinah 60:2]
The Islamic identity of Muslims in Australia is rapidly being dissolved in the melting pot of this society. Clearly our identity is under threat as we see our ideologies, beliefs and manners give way to the ideologies, beliefs and manners of the Kuffar. The preservation of the Islamic identity has become a challenge rather than something we can take for granted. What makes this challenge unique, however, is that there is no Islamic leadership, no Caliphate and no country in which protection or guidance can be sought.
For a multitude of reasons, most of which are not in accordance with Islam, Muslims have been flocking to non-Muslim countries. Some come as refugees, many come for a better standard of living, others to get education, be near to their relatives, and some for Da’wah. The result of this is a new problem, which has not existed for centuries - Muslims are being exposed, on an unprecedented scale to non-Muslim cultures and beliefs. In fact, many are now born in these countries, and instead of being raised with a sound Islamic identity, many are taking the Christian values of their ‘adopted home’. It is of little surprise that we see many Muslims turn from Islam in later life.
This article aims to expose some of the sources of misguidance for Muslims living amongst the Kuffar, as well as some solutions and defences we can employ.
The Islamic Identity
Firstly, it is necessary to define what is meant by the term “Islamic identity” . The Islamic Identity is taken to mean the way of life of the Muslim - an all-encompassing set of beliefs, practices and ideologies as derived from the Qur’an and the example of Muhammad (saws). The Islamic identity is that which separates us from the Kuffar.
The education system is typically where the indoctrination process begins. Muslim school children are sent off by their parents to Kafir schools with good intentions of an education and a chance at a better life (in this world, at least). The children are placed in an environment where the mixing of sexes is not only tolerated but encouraged through the placement of children in multi-gender sporting teams and class groups. These children grow up to believe such behaviour is normal. This leads, in most cases, to the m passing off the Islamic requirement of segregated sexes as ‘old fashioned’ or ‘backward’. After years in an environment as free as this, it is no surprise that we see so many young Muslims with ‘boyfriends’, and ‘girlfriends’.
A major component of the education system is to turn the students into ‘good Australians’. To be a good Australian means to obey the laws of the land even if they conflict with the laws of Allah. We see this from the earliest stages of the child’s education in the form of flag-raising ceremonies each morning in which the children sing the national anthem and stand in respect as the flag of the non-Muslims is raised over their heads.
In later stages, the indoctrination becomes more advanced through subjects such as politics and legal studies. In these studies, the ‘benefits’ of western-style democracy and the Westminster system of government are taught. The children are taught that Shirk is the best form of government. They are taught that being a “good citizen” is about voting and participation in this Shirk-based system. By the time the child passes through the digestive tract of the Kaffir educational system, he or she will probably see him/herself as an Australian first and a Muslim second. The effect on the Islamic identity is that it is replaced with, in best case scenarios, a watered-down Islamic identity, and in the extreme case, a total Kaffir identity.
Every subject taught to the Muslim has a hidden agenda - to foster disbelief and moral decline. In Human Education, our children are being taught that being promiscuous is a ‘natural part of growing up’. These enemies of Allah are even equipping our children with contraceptive devices, under our noses, giving them their tacit approval to commit adultery. These same classes teach that homosexuality is something that ‘cannot be helped’ and as such is a perfectly ‘normal’ kind of behaviour.
In History, we see a euro-centric view of the world in which the Christians are viewed as the only people worthy of any respect or any admiration. It is rare that mention is ever made of the great contribution made to the Occidental world from the Orient. It is even rarer that the names of the great Muslim scientists are mentioned. It is no wonder that many Muslim children end up with a sense of shame in being Muslim. This shame is often shown in their refusal to use their ‘Muslim names’, e.g. suddenly Muhammad becomes known as ‘Mike’.
When the Christians (according to their curriculum) have done all the “good things” can you honestly blame them? These seeds of shame planted in the mind of the Muslim child will bear the sour fruits of disbelief in later life and serve to ensure the Islamic identity is destroyed.
Despite Australia’ s claims of being a secular society, the education system places a heavy, though largely invisible, emphasis on Christian beliefs and practices. In the lead up to Christmas it is not extraordinary for even government-run schools to hold nativity plays, or make the students engage in Christmas-based activities, such as making Christmas cards or so forth. This coupled with the fact that the Muslim student is probably a minority in a school full of Kaffirs, serves to pressure the Muslim child into adopting practices that are clearly not from Islam. The Muslim child will see his or her friends exchanging presents at Christmas and may expect the same at home. Often the schools present these Christian practices in such a way that the child may even be unaware that they are acting out the behaviour of the disbelievers. It is important that parents are aware of this and take the necessary steps to prevent it or at least ensure it does not impact the child.
Of course whilst the empirical source of this is the Kuffar and his puppeteer, the Shaytan, we cannot blame them entirely. We must also look to ourselves. Muslim families, having lost much of their Islamic values, have sold out to the West. By sending our children to kindergarten and child care centers we are sending our children to be suckled by the Shaytan. One need only look at the high number of child molestation’ s that occur in these places to see the truth of this. It is out of neglect for our Islamic duties, and a love of dunya , that we neglect our children. Muslim mothers are choosing to work rather than stay home and ensure their children are educated Islamically. The so-called “woman’s liberation movement” has indeed succeeded in “ liberating women” - liberating them from the shackles of responsible parenting. Fathers, drunk on western commercialism, are emphasizing economic and material growth of the family unit over spiritual growth. If these children received the proper Islamic education at home, perhaps the wolves of disbelief would not find them such easy prey.
Proper Islamic education should counter the lies and the corruption fed to the children in school. It should be presented in such a way as to engender a feeling of pride in Islam. Furthermore, it should cover Islamic history to offset the lies taught in History, Islamic law to offset the lies taught in Legal Studies. Parents must take responsibility for arming their students with correct Aqeedah and sound knowledge to defend themselves from these wolves and the decline of the Islamic identity.
M E D I A
The media plays a critical part in non-Muslim society. Not only does the television serve as a window to the outside world, but for many families it also serves as a defacto baby-sitter. Muslims need to be aware that the view of the world presented by the television and indeed other mediums is through the eyes of a non-believer.
We can see this non-belief represented in a number of areas, particularly in the coverage of the news and in the moral bankruptcy of much of the media content.
The news provides us with an insight into the world around us. A world where Mujahideen are called ‘terrorists’, where the Straight Path is called ‘ Islamic fundamentalism’, and where all Muslims are misogynistic wife-bashers. Over time, this can engender a feeling of self-hatred in the adult and child Muslim viewer. It creates a feeling of shame if constantly the word Muslim is used synonymously with everything bad in the world. When a Muslim no longer feels pride in Islam, then the progression to disbelief is easy. Adult Muslims should be sure to watch the news with a critical eye. They should be aware that what they are seeing is often far from reality, and they should use their understanding of Islam as a benchmark for determining the truth from falsehood.
Perhaps, the television’s most significant effect is to take filthy, evil and unIslamic behaviour and give it a cloak of respectability. It serves to convince the Muslim viewer that what they are seeing is the social norm. A good example is the so-called love scene that forms such a crucial element in the Kaffirs’ movie o r TV show. They paint the picture that somehow in some sort of sick way that zina equates with love and is a ‘natural’ behaviour. It is only to be expected that after years of constant bombardment with this message that the initial disgust a Muslim feels subsides to acceptance.
Next time your children have the television on, be warned that what they are watching contains messages designed specifically to enter the mind of the child or young person. In the case of many cartoons, for example, we see elements of idol worship couple d with the taking of partners with Allah Ta’ala. So many of these cartoons have a mythological underpinning with a focus on idolatry and false gods. All of these cartoons and so forth are laying the foundation for turning the children into Mushriks. For example Superman, where people in need call out to this caped Kafir in his underwear to save the day with his god-like powers. How many Muslim children spend their formative years acting out imagined scenes from Superman or other similar cartoons? This is something in direct opposition to the principles of Tawheed that we, as Muslims, should seek the help of Allah alone.
Many young people’s shows also focus heavily on parental-child conflict and often attempt to paint this sort of behaviour as a ‘normal’ part of growing up. Typically, the solution to this conflict is either to fight back or to run away. In either case it teaches the children an Islamically inappropriate response to any conflict.
Aside from showing us the outside world, the media dictates how we look at ourselves. It provides a benchmark for judging ourselves and others. The media shows us how others live, or how others behave. It defines how we view success, what qualities we see as admirable, what behaviour we see as normal. Take for example the so-called lifestyle shows that feature so prominently on TV. We see expensive houses, lavishly decorated with all the trappings of dunya and this is pushed onto us as the Australian ideal. If we are not strong in Islam then these media-generated standards get adopted as our own. We’ ll start to equate success with owning an expensive car or living in a big house. We’ll start to think that beauty is dependent on how we look. We’ll start to forget about the paradise that Allah has promised those that believe, and we’ll start trying to create a ‘paradise’ right here in dunya. This is one of the major threats to our Islamic identity.
The best solution to the threat of the media lies in active censorship and in education. Active censorship means to be aware that what we are viewing is not necessarily the reality but rather a Kafir view of reality. We should constantly be evaluating the message or the content of a particular piece of media against our understanding of Islam to determine if it is right or wrong. Contrast this to a passive approach where the viewer sees the media as an infallible source of information, accepting blindly the message being presented without questioning its appropriateness in an Islamic sense. As adults we should likewise apply this to our children’s viewing. We should pay close attention to the messages being fed to our children and be sure to counter anything unIslamic with sound evidence from the Qur’an and hadith as to why such-and-such is not good. This goes hand in hand with the education of the children to think Islamically and to know that what is Halal and Haraam to a Muslim is not necessarily what is good and bad in a Kafir’s view.
Mixing With the Kaffirs
It is a fact of life that we must, to some extent, keep close company with the Kuffar. This is almost unavoidable given that we work, study and, unfortunately, play with them.
The Prophet (saws) said that whoever is with a people for 40 days or more begins to take on some of their characteristics. As such, we must be very careful of mixing with the Kuffar because, whether we realise it or not, we are assuming some of their behaviour and beliefs.
Possibly this represents the biggest threat to the Muslim in this country because the media and education can easily be censored. Also, the indoctrination is far more open and direct, whereas through mixing, our Islamic identity’ s erosion is far more sublime.
There are many ways in which too much contact with the Kuffar will lead to us losing our identities. The taking of Kuffar for close friends is something that Allah has clearly warned out in the Qur’an yet it is something so many of us do. With any friends, Kuffar or Muslim, it is natural that we will seek to please them. Allah tells us that the Kuffar will only be happy once we disbelieve. It therefore follows that the way that a Muslim pleases his Kuffar friend is to exhibit signs of disbelief. The Kaffir is probably not even aware that he is leading his friend astray, and probably neither is the Muslim.
If a Muslim associates with the Kuffar, he will make efforts to ‘fit in’ with this group. In order to ‘fit in’ we must act like Australians. Fitting in typically consists of adjusting our Islam to a religion more acceptable to the Kuffar we are associating w ith so intimately. It is this that gives rise to what Sayyid Qutb would call an apologetic mindset. Where Muslims feel inclined to explain every ‘strange behaviour’ to the disbelievers. “ Well, those people who blow up busses in Israel.. they are not real Muslims”.
Often the first thing Muslims will modify is their style of dress. Whilst a seemingly trivial change, it often represents more than what it seems. When a Muslim sees the Kafirs dressed in a certain way, and chooses to imitate them to ‘fit in ‘, it’s a compromise. Once a Muslim has compromised once, it becomes easier to compromise again. The beard gets shaved. The Hijab comes off. Halal meat gives way to Haram meat. Perhaps even a drink with his ‘mates’ after work becomes permissible. Eventually the Muslim is left with a watered-down, Kafir-friendly Islam that often bears more resemblance to the beliefs of the Mushrik than the Mo’min.
Muslims must be aware of the hidden effects of this. Furthermore, the best protection is to keep amongst other Muslims. Whilst it is a necessity for some contact with the Kuffar, we should limit it to the bare minimum and make sincere efforts to offset it with contact with other Muslims. This is an important part of keeping our Islamic identity and indeed keeping Islam alive in this country.
The points mentioned are a few of many. Every aspect of Kafir society is designed to mislead us from the straight path, even if we cannot see it.
Narrated Samara bin Jundub, Allah’s Messenger (saws) said:
” Anybody (from among the Muslims) who meets, gathers together, lives, and stays with a Mushrik, and agrees to his ways, opinions, etc. and enjoys his living with him (Mushrik) then he (that Muslim) is like him (Mushrik)” [Sunan Abu Dawud - The Book of Jihad]
There is a defense that can be applied that will render every effort by the Kuffar useless, and serve to keep our Islamic identity intact. This defence is knowledge. The Muslim should arm himself with a correct Aqeedah and an awareness of what it means to be Muslim. Any attack, any attempt to subvert or mislead will then be in vain. If the Muslim knows the true nature of this society and if he can see how it is designed to mislead, then he will not fall into its traps. This ability to distinguish from right and wrong and chose right comes from a correct Aqeedah.
The strength of the family unit is also a defence. The father is the shepherd of the household and like any other shepherd he should protect his flock from the wolves. In this case the wolves are the Kuffar, and the protection is to pass the knowledge onto the children and his wives. The children should be provided with a sound Islamic education outside of their schooling. This is imperative if the children are to be strong enough to avoid the many pitfalls they w ill face. They should be taught that the only truth in this world is the Qur’an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (saws) and that all else must be judged against these two noble criterion.
Finally, there is a solution guaranteed to remove the risks, and that is to remove oneself from amongst the disbelievers.
It is therefore unavoidable that as long as we live here we will, through a process of cultural osmosis, take on some of the characteristics of the Kuffar. The likeness of Islam and Kuffar is like that of fresh clear spring water and water brought up from the bottom of a suburban sewer. If even a drop of the filthy water enters the clear water, the clarity diminishes. Likewise it only takes a drop of the filth of disbelief to contaminate Islam in the West. If we have it within our means we should therefore consider moving to a Muslim land whereby we can at least live amongst our brethren and within an Islamic society free from the contamination of the disbelievers.
Islaminaction ~ This is the least important part of the article.
Least important and not particularly accurate. Technically yes, it is the word is used in arabic language Bibles.
BUT there was an article right here on FR recently where the mooooooooslims strenuously objected to Christians calling the Christian God by the name allah.
They made it quite clear that allah is the god of the queer-ann, and it is NOT the God of the Torah or the Bible.
Got that? THEY say that allah is NOT God.
Let me repeat that:
mohammedan clerics INSISTED that allah is not GOD.
I’d like a reference please.
The Koran itself is quite clear the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) worship the same God, just not in the right way.
That’s why the PotB aren’t supposed to be massacred if they refuse to convert, the way actual pagans are.
Do not argue with the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) except in the nicest possible manner - unless they transgress - and say, “We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is one and the same; to Him we are submitters.”
Islam’s 20-point-plan for conquering the US of A by 2020
Islam, a Religion of Peace®? Some links...by backhoe
No comments in your references about a “blood moon” during which the Muslims slaughter their enemies.
Actually, this is a very good explanation of the process by which secular culture infiltrates any group that tries to maintain more traditional moral standards and beliefs.
Not that all traditional moral standards and beliefs deserve to be preserved.
Thought you might. Couldn't find the FR thread, but...
Qur’an 68:15 “When you recite Our proofs and verses (from the Qur’an) they cry, ‘Tales of the ancients, mere fables of long ago.’ Soon shall We muzzle them and brand the beast on the snout!” Ouch! Muhammads Lord chafes when he’s called a plagiarizer. Must be hitting a little too close to home. Let’s turn to the Sira to see how close... Ishaq:180 “According to my information, the Apostle often sat by a young Christian slave named Jabr. The Meccans said, He is the one who teaches Muhammad most of what he brings.’” Then Allah revealed, Qur’an 16:103 “We know what they (pagans) say: ‘It is only a mortal man who teaches him (Muhammad). But the tongue of the man they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this (Qur’an) is pure Arabic.’” When accused of plagiarism, the best Team Islam could do was to claim that the Bible Jabr was quoting from wasn’t written in Arabic. That’s a problem. First, by responding to the Meccan’s claim that Muhammad was out of his mind, a demon-possessed madman, plagiarizing scripture, the Qur’an confirmed that these were legitimate concerns. Muhammads kin were convinced he was demon possessed and insane.
Second, the Qur’an continues to reflect mans least civil nature rather than rising above the fray and inspiring humankind. Name-calling isn’t divine and the never-ending argument isn’t motivational. Further, without the supplemental “scripture” from the Hadith, the Qur’an’s response is senseless. No one would have any way of knowing who was talking to whom, or why. Senseless material that floats aimlessly outside place, circumstance, and time doesn’t belong in a book that claims to be dictated word for word by God.
Third, if Arabic was Allahs chosen language for revelation, why were “his” earlier revelations written in Hebrew and Greek? And as illiterates, Team Islam remains confused as to how translations work. Words are just tools, names for things and ideas mankind uses to convey a message. Every language has a word for demon, god, mad, and plagiarize. But this argument goes to the root of why todays Muslims say their Qur’anic message can’t be translated - they still don’t understand the nature of language. Little do they know, the Greek Gospels they are so fond of claiming credit for literally began their existence as translations of Aramaic conversations.
Fourth, the source of the Qur’an’s inspiration and its audience was so dimwitted, the claim was posited that changing the language obfuscated the source. That’s as lame as Muslims claiming that Muhammad couldn’t have stolen his Qur’an from the Bible because he couldn’t read, suggesting the surahs were miraculous. Yet even the Qur’an pokes holes in this argument by saying the Jews incorrectly read their scriptures to Muhammad, saying words that weren’t really on their scrolls. All this Christian source had to do was to verbally convey the gist of the Biblical stories. And judging by the quality of the material we are reading, the prophet was qualified to twist them from there.
Fifth, by bringing this argument, the Qur’an injured itself. The rebuttal is a lie. The Qur’an wasn’t written in “pure Arabic.” The plethora of parentheses in the Qur’an text we have been examining proves this. They were put there to fill in missing words, fix the grammatical errors, solve the problem of dangling participles, and render a discernable message. Moreover, as you’ll discover in the “Source Material” appendix, the Qur’an’s most important words are foreign. They are Christian Syriac or Rabbinic Hebrew. Allahs book contains many words that have no meaning in any language, including Arabic. In its defense, the Qur’an says only Allah knows what they mean. But that defeats the whole purpose of scripture.
THE KORAN IS NOTHING BUT ANCIENT ARAB LORE MIXED WITH THE TORAH AND THE NEW TESTAMENT. IT’S PLAGIARIRISM, PURE AND SIMPLE.
I think Mohammed outranks a Malaysian judge in the Muslim hierarchy.
Same book, different verses...
So which verses say that Christians and Jews do NOT worship the same God as Muslims?
I quoted one that says they do.
Where’s your later verse that abrogates it?
Muslims should NOT be accepted migrants. Migrants ASSIMILATE. Muslims do not.
The best part of that statement I posted, is at the very end. He suggests they should return to their homeland. I wish they would.
In Arabia, the sun god was viewed as a female goddess and the moon as the male god. As has been pointed out by many scholars such as Alfred Guilluame, the moon god was called by various names, one of which was Allah! (Islam, p. 7).
The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god, in addition to other titles that could be given to him.
Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called “the daughters of Allah.” These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.
The daughters of Allah, along with Allah and the sun goddess were viewed as “high” gods. That is, they were viewed as being at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities.
“Along with Allah, however, they worshipped a host of lesser gods and “daughters of Al-lah” (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, I:61)”.
The Crescent Moon Symbol
The symbol of the worship of the moon god in Arabian culture and elsewhere throughout the Middle East was the crescent moon.
Archaeologists have dug up numerous statues and hieroglyphic inscriptions in which a crescent moon was seated on top of the head of the deity to symbolize the worship of the moon god. In the same fashion as the sun is pictured above the Egyptian deity.
While the moon was generally worshiped as a female deity in the Ancient Near East, the Arabs viewed it as a male deity.
The Gods of the Quraysh
The Quraysh tribe into which Muhammad was born was particularly devoted to Allah, the moon god, and especially to Allah’s three daughters who were viewed as intercessors between the people and Allah.
The worship of the three goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, played a significant role in the worship at the Kabah in Mecca. The first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah.
The literal Arabic name of Muhammad’s father was Abd-Allah. His uncle’s name was Obied-Allah. These names reveal the personal devotion that Muhammad’s pagan family had to the worship of Allah, the moon god.
Praying Toward Mecca
An Allah idol was set up at the Kebah along with all the other idols. The pagans prayed toward Mecca and the Kabah because that is where their gods were stationed.
It only made sense to them to face in the direction of their god and then pray. Since the idol of their moon god, Allah, was at Mecca, they prayed toward Mecca.
The worship of the moon god extended far beyond the Allah-worship in Arabia. The entire fertile crescent was involved in the worship of the moon.
This, in part, explains the early success of Islam among Arab groups that traditionally had worshiped the moon god.
The use of the crescent moon as the symbol for Islam which is placed on the flags of Islamic nations and on the top of mosques and minarets is a throwback to the days when Allah was worshiped as the moon god in Mecca.
While this may come as a surprise to many Christians who have wrongly assumed that Allah was simply another name for the God of the Bible, educated Muslims generally understand this point.
Catholic Encyclopedia, not exactly liberal Muslim apologists.
Allah: The name of God in Arabic.
It is a compound word from the article, ‘al, and ilah, divinity, and signifies “the god” par excellence. This form of the divine name is in itself a sure proof that ilah was at one time an appellative, common to all the local and tribal gods. Gradually, with the addition of the article, it was restricted to one of them who took precedence of the others; finally, with the triumph of monotheism, He was recognized as the only true God.
In one form or another this Hebrew root occurs in all Semitic languages as a designation of the Divinity; but whether it was originally a proper name, pointing to a primitive monotheism, with subsequent deviation into polytheism and further rehabilitation, or was from the beginning an appellative which became a proper name only when the Semites had reached monotheism is a much debated question. It is certain, however, that before the time of Mohammed, owing to their contact with Jews and Christians, the Arabs were generally monotheists.
The notion of Allah in Arabic theology is substantially the same as that of God among the Jews, and also among the Christians, with the exception of the Trinity, which is positively excluded in the Koran, cxii: “Say God, is one God, the eternal God, he begetteth not, neither is he begotten and there is not any one like unto him.”
His attributes, denied by the heterodox Motazilites, are ninety-nine in number. Each one of them is represented by a bead in the Moslem chaplet, while on the one hundredth and larger bead, the name of Allah itself is pronounced.
It is preposterous to assert with Curtiss (Ursemitische Religion, 119) that the nomadic tribes of Arabia, consider seriously the Oum-el-Gheith, “mother of the rain”, as the bride of Allah and even if the expression were used such symbolical language would not impair, in the least, the purity of monotheism held by those tribes. (Cf. Revue Biblique, Oct., 1906, 580 sqq.)
Let it be noted that although Allah is an Arabic term, it is used by all Moslems, whatever be their language, as the name of God.
Allah is a moon rock in Mecca. What if we nuked it to smithereens.
Check out Post #24.
“As has been pointed out by many scholars such as Alfred Guilluame, the moon god was called by various names, one of which was Allah! (Islam, p. 7).
“The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god, in addition to other titles that could be given to him.
“While this may come as a surprise to many Christians who have wrongly assumed that Allah was simply another name for the God of the Bible, educated Muslims generally understand this point.”
Have you read my post from the Catholic Encyclopedia?
It is not totally contradictory to your posts but gives an alternative and less harsh interpretation to the same facts.
You can’t exactly accuse them of being Islamofascist apologists.
On 9/11 I put a small sign in my cubicle that simply said "God Bless America".
Who objected? An American born muslim co-worker.
He made it *quite* clear that our God was not the same as their allah.
Immigration reform must include a prohibition on the import of those who want to kill us.
That shouldn’t be too hard for even the likes of McCainiac and Arbusto to figure out.
Again, I hate to break it to you, but Mohammed’s revelation from God in the Koran is generally considered by Muslims to be more authoritative than your co-worker.
Do you generally extrapolate what all Christians believe from a casual comment by a single Christian co-worker?
It is quite possible he was disagreeing more with regard to whether God/Allah blesses America.
You said they said:
Do not argue with the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) except in the nicest possible manner
The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time [of judgment] will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews and kill them; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! - Hadith: Bukhari (52:177)
Ultimately, their "nicest possible manner" is flat-out genocide.
No, haven’t read your post from the Catholic Encyclopedia.
At this point in time, I have a closed mind; I am not interested in learning any more about 1.4 billion people who are dedicated to destroying the United States, and chopping off my head.
They worship a moon rock. That is not a difficult concept to understand.
You are a muslim apologist, so go to mecca.
Nope. No one who was there would think that.
I was there, you weren't.
I have seen the mosque mask slip innumerable times since.
A hadith is not part of the Koran. It is a tradition of the prophet and is considered of considerably lower authority.
Roughly a quote from a Church Father as compared to a biblical verse.
Also your quote does nothing to address whether Muslims believe Christians and Jews worship the same God, only that they will kill Jews. Christians themselves have often shown themselves more than willing to kill other Christians who worship the same God in the wrong way.
Look, I’m not defending Islam, just suggesting that our criticisms should be accurate. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms without dragging in untrue ones.
I didn't read it that way. Quite the opposite in fact.
They don’t worship a moon rock, any more, probably less, then Catholics worship images or Orthodox Christians worship icons.
The problem is that easily disproven inaccurate criticisms of Islam discredit the accurate ones to some extent. When a prosecutor has ten points of evidence and three are shown to be untrue, it to some extent discredits the other seven. A smart prosecutor would only present the seven that are unimpeachable.
I am not interested in learning any more about 1.4 billion people who are dedicated to destroying the United States, and chopping off my head.
It's more like John quoting Jesus.
Got it Sherman.
that sounds to me about the same as asking 'so in what paragraph of 'Dreams' does obama say he was NOT born in Hawaii...
I quoted one that says they do.
just as I could probably find a statement in 'Dreams' that suggests he was...
Wheres your later verse that abrogates it?
now, why would anyone other than a muslim bother to take note of anything written in a book anywhere...when, what is written is further along DENIED, CONTRADICTED OR TAKEN BACK?
That's a very contradictory fella, that allah...mohammad's sock puppet. Mohammad could make his allah say anything he liked and when it suited him. The 'revelations' always came just at the right time.
You really do need to downlaod and read
THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD
BY Canon, Edward Sell. A Fellow of the University of Madrass. Published in 1913. Before OIL, before 9/11. Complete with original ancient text footnotes:
By the way, Sherman Logan, I was posting on Free Republic about al Taquayyah three years before you registered here.
... al Taquayyah means LYING to promote islam, and the Black moon rock god setting in mecca.
Here’s news for you: it’s 72 Grapes, it Never was 72 virgins.
How do you screw a grape?
‘Somebody’ lost interest in this thread.
It’s not “grape-grape”...
Scholars Scrutinize the Koran’s Origin
A Promise of Moist Virgins or Dried Fruit?
New York Times (and International Herald Tribune), March 4, 2002
Scholars Are Quietly Offering New Theories of the Koran
By ALEXANDER STILLE
To Muslims the Koran is the very word of God, who spoke through the Angel Gabriel to Muhammad: “This book is not to be doubted,” the Koran declares unequivocally at its beginning. Scholars and writers in Islamic countries who have ignored that warning have sometimes found themselves the target of death threats and violence, sending a chill through universities around the world.
Yet despite the fear, a handful of experts have been quietly investigating the origins of the Koran, offering radically new theories about the text’s meaning and the rise of Islam.
Christoph Luxenberg, a scholar of ancient Semitic languages in Germany, argues that the Koran has been misread and mistranslated for centuries. His work, based on the earliest copies of the Koran, maintains that parts of Islam’s holy book are derived from pre-existing Christian Aramaic texts that were misinterpreted by later Islamic scholars who prepared the editions of the Koran commonly read today.
So, for example, the virgins who are supposedly awaiting good Islamic martyrs as their reward in paradise are in reality “white raisins” of crystal clarity rather than fair maidens...
That is only part of the problem, the political aspect of Islam is the biggest threat. They will destroy us from within.
Sign it up for government health care?
Muslims insist that the name Allah must be used in every language; it can NOT be translated, e.g., Dios in Spanish, Dieu in French, Gott in German, God in English. But Allah isn't in fact a generic name for God at all. It is the name of a particular god. Allah is a contraction of Al-ilah, meaning "the chief god." Allah was the chief god in the Kaaba that contained about 360 idols in it (one for everybody that passed through Mecca). A lot of money was made in that idol temple. Paul gave a seromon on Mars Hill ridiculing the Roman pantheon of gods, stating "you even have one called the 'unknown god' in case you missed one". And so it was with the Ka'aba.
Ilah is a generic Arabic term for "god", which can be found all through the Quran, e.g., the shahada: La ilaha I Allah, Muhammadan Rasoulu Allah. Part of the Arabic translation states there is no ilah but Allah. Millions have done so under threat of death. How Muslims can imagine that sincere "faith" is produced under such intimidation is beyond comprehension. Nevertheless, once one has uttered that confession, one is forever Muslim and bound by the jurisdiction of sharia.
Islam's prophet commanded, "He who relinquishes his faith, kill him!" That penalty is still the rule in Islam (though not always enforced). Executions are announced on Saudi radio and TV in advance and carried out before cheering crowds in Riyadh's "chop-chop" square. In October 1993, for example, a father and son were publicly beheaded for having believed in Jesus Christ. No non-Muslim place of worship may be built, and while it is technically legal to have a prayer meeting or Bible study in the privacy of one's home, participants could be jailed or deported. Such is the "freedom" and "peace" Muslims intend to force upon the entire world.
In any case, what is Allah doing in a temple with 360 idols if he is the same God of the Bible which prohibits idols? Why does Islam keep this temple of idolotry? While it no longer contains the original idols, it does contain the Black Stone. Islam insists that Muslims must make pigrimage there, to kiss the stone, run between Safa and Marwa, and climb Mount Arafa. This was practiced by pious pagan Arabs centuries before Muhammad. And yet, Allah, supposed God of the Bible, requires these pagan rituals to this day?
That Allah is in fact the chief of all idols formerly contained in the Ka'aba is documented history:
The desert Arab...feared and worshipped incalculable deities in stars and moons...Now and then he offered human sacrifice; and here and there he worshipped sacred stones. The center of this stone worship was Mecca [with] the Kaaba and its sacred Black Stone...in the southeast corner, five feet from the ground, just right for kissing...Sixteen times the Qur'an says Allah is not a father and has no son. Not a father, but having 3 daughters. When Muhammad had to flee Mecca he returned to his birthplace, Yathrib. He tried to convert the Christians and the Jews there, who the early parts of the Quran called the people of the book, telling them that Allah is the only true God. But they knew who Allah is: Allah is the chief god in the Kaaba. So the Jews and Christians at the time wouldnt buy into that. So Muhammad turns against them and began to kill them. After killing all the Christian and Jewish male inhabitants, and sold the women and children into slavery, he renamed the city Madina, i.e., "city of the prophet". Muhammad's dying words were, may Allah curse the Christians and the Jews.
Within the Kaaba, in pre-Moslem days, were several idols representing gods. One was called Allah...three others were called Allah's daughters - al-Uzza, al-Lat, and Manah. We may judge the antiquity of this Arab pantheom from the mention of al-il-Lat (al-Lat) by Herodotus [5th century Greek historian] as a major Arab deity. The Quraish [Muhammad's tribe controlling Mecca] paved the way for monotheism by worshipping Allah as the chief god; he was presented to the Meccans as the Lord of their soil, to Whom they must pay a tithe of their crops and the first born of their herds. The Quraish, as alleged decendents of Abraham and Ishmael, appointed the priests and guardians of the shrine and managed its revenues1
Hundreds of promises by Hebrew prophets inspired of Jahweh had foretold the coming of the Messiah, His life, teaching and miracles, His rejection by His own people, His crucifixion, resurrection and ascension to the Father. The Babe born of a virgin in Bethlehem that night would prove His identity by fulfilling all. Foretold too, and now fast approaching, was His triumphant return to reign forever in Jerusalem on the throne of His father David (Isa 9:6-7; Luk 1:32-33). No angels heralded the births and no prophecies foretold the lives and deaths of Buddha, Confucius, Muhammad or anyone else. Nor did these "messiahs" rise from the dead. Christ's grave is empty; theirs are occupied by the dust of their remains.
The Qur'an calls Jesus Isa, probably from Muhammad hearing Jews contemptuously refer to Him as Esau. Islam's central teachings in the Qur'an and hadith (tradition of equal authority to the Qur'an) directly oppose Christ and His salvation. Islamic scholars all agree that Isa is not the Son of God and was not crucified for our sins. There is general consent that Allah put a likeness of Isa upon one of His disciples, probably Judas, who died in Isa's place. Taken alive to heaven (in one version), Isa is covered with feathers and flies with angels around Allah's throne until the time he returns to marry, have children and die a natural death!
Islam makes it clear that Isa is not divine and certainly not the Son of Allah. Although in the Qur'it is stated that Isa was born of a virgin, did miracles including raising the dead (Surah 3:45-49), was sinless and even the word of God, Isa is clearly not the Jesus Christ of the Bible.
The very foundation of Christianity is that "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son...the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world..." (Jn 3:16; 1 Jn 4:14, etc., etc.) The Qur'an says Christ is not the Son of God, did not die for our sins on the cross-someone died in His place, so He did not rise from the dead, and anyone who believes in the Trinity goes to hell.
Hundreds of verses declare that the God of the Bible calls the Jews His chosen people, that He loves them and gave them the land of Israel as an heritage forever. In contrast, Islam and Allah express hatred for Israel and all Jews. The Qur'an and authoritative Islamic tradition cited in the hadith vilify the Jews repeatedly:
Because of the wrongdoing of the Jews...We have prepared for [them] a painful doom" (Surah 4:160-161); Allah hath cursed them [the Jews] for their disbelief (4:46); Allah fighteth against them. How perverse are they! (9:30); Ignominy shall be their portion wheresoever they are found...(3:112); The resurrection of the dead will not come until the Muslims will war with the Jews and the Muslims will kill them;...the trees and rocks will say, O Muslim...here is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.2Moroever, Islamic eschatology is steeped in hatred of the Jews:
The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them.3In Muslim lands for 1,300 years, Jews suffered from inhumane treatment and periodic bursts of violence. Take only one country, Morocco, as an example of what occurred everywhere under Muslim rule. Jews were forced to live in ghettos called mellahs. One historian writes that rape, looting, burning of synagogues, destruction of Torah scrolls and murder were "so frequent that it is impossible to list them."4 As only one instance of many, in Fez, in A.D.1032, about 6,000 Jews were murdered and many more "robbed of their women and property." 5 Such slaughter continued periodically in Fez and throughout Morocco (as in other Muslim countries). Interestingly, the fierce persecution of 1640 in which women and children were murdered was called the al-Khada. Chouraqui (p 39) says that Jews suffered "such repression, restriction and humiliation as to exceed anything in Europe."
Allah can NOT be the God of the Bible if the Jews are NOT chosen by Allah. It gets better though. Allah commands Muslims "Take not the Jews and Christians as friends." (Surah 5:51; Al Hil-ali, v54, Jusuf Ali) So Allah is not the God of Christians either.
The God of the Bible chose Jerusalem as His Holy City. 40 times He calls it the "city of David" and repeatedly promises that the Messiah will be decended from David and will rule on David's throne in Jerusalem over the whole world (II Chr 6:6; 33:7; II Sam 7:16; Psa 89:3-29, etc.). Neither Mecca, nor Medina, but Jerusalem is mentioned more than 800 times. But Allah never mentions Jerusalem.
Muslims insist that Allah is a single being. Therefor being the God of the Bible - who is love (I Jno 4:8) - is an impossiblity for Allah. Muslims insist that he can NOT be love in and of himself until he created others; there was no one to love. The God of the Bible is love in and of Himself, in that He is three persons in one; the Father, Son and Spirit loved and communed with one another before men or angels were created.
Even so Jews know that Allah is not God, they try to say that Jehovah is a single being. However, that is inconsistent with their own Scripture in that the Bible refers to God more than 2500 times as Elohim (plural for "gods" in Hebrew). And yet, always with the plural noun there is a singular verb. This is not only unparalled in any other literature anywhere at any time, but absolutely illogical (not just in the magnitude of repetition, but its retained use througout the ages).
Deu 6:4 is the most fundamental shema about God for a Jew. Far from declaring that the God of the Bible is singular, the Hebrew word translated here as "one" is eschad, which is the unity of several becoming one. This can be seen in Gen 2:24; II Sam 2:25; Eze 37:17, etc.
That notwithstanding, not once is "love" listed in the index of Marmaduke Pickthall's translation of the Koran. Of Allah's 99 attributes, love is not one. The Koran does concede that Allah does love "the beneficient" (Surah 2:195), "the steadfast [and] those whose deeds are good" (Surah 3:146-48), and "those who battle for his causes" (Surah 6:41). Nowhere does the Koran state that Allah loves all mankind, much less sinners, or those that hate him. Allah is claimed to be merciful, but does not show mercy to those who need it. The God of the Bible in contrast loves all, desiring that NONE should perish, is merciful to all, and ready to forgive confessed sin.
The first commandment of The Law in the Bible stipulates that we are to love the God of the Bible. And yet nowhere in the Koran is it implored of a Muslim to love Allah. That would in fact be an impossibility because Allah is unknowable because he is too great. And yet, the God of the Bible repeatedly calls upon men to know Him. Despite being infinite, without beginning and end, and Creator of the universe, the biblical God has chosen to reveal Himself in ways that men CAN know Him (Jno 17:3).
There is NO love greater than this: that while we were still sinners God sent His only begotten son to die for us as a propitiatory sacrifice, that by His grace, through faith in the sufficiency of His word, we may partake in a vicarious attonement for our sins and thereby be justified and reconciled unto Him.
1) Durant, Will; The Story of Civilization, IV:160-61
2) Moshe Ma'oz, The Image of the Jew in Official Arab Literature and Communications Media (Hebrew University of Jerusalem, 1976), 14.
3) Mischkat al Masabih Sh. M. Ashraf, 1990, pp. 147, 721, 810-11, 1130, etc.
4) Andre Chouraqui, Between East and West: A History of the Jews of North Africa (Philadelphia PA 19680, 51.
5) H. Z. Hirschberg, A History of the Jews in North Africa (Leiden, Netherlands, 1974), 108.