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Is Jason Campbell being spare criticism because of his race?
10.12.09 | Perdogg

Posted on 10/12/2009 2:24:48 PM PDT by Perdogg

Once again, the medicore Washington Redskin offense fails to perform against the Panthers in a loss after being up 17-2.

There is plenty of criticism of Jim Zorn, but none of Jason Campbell. There has been plenty of criticism of Tony Romo and lack of winning the big game. Nor was there ever any lack of criticism of Eli Manning.

I am tired of hearing that Jason Campbell has had x number of coordinators in x years. So what, you are a big league QB. You have been in the NFL long enough to know what is required, get the ball down field.

I hate to bring up the subject of race, but living in the DC metro area, there has been no honest debate or criticsm of Jason Campbell.

His numbers so far this year are not bad, QB rating of 90.35.

Eli Manning's is 111.71 and Tony Romo's is 86.45. Donovan McNabb numbers are high, but he hasn't played a lot this year.

Just wanted to know what you all thought of this.


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1 posted on 10/12/2009 2:24:48 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Somebody contact Rush and see if he wants in on this argument...


2 posted on 10/12/2009 2:26:22 PM PDT by jessduntno (Tell Obama to STFU - Stop The Federal Usurpation.)
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To: Perdogg

ACtually, Campbell is the one who made his race an issue. Last year — when he was as lousy then as he is now — he said he was trying to improve his performance by “talking with other black quarterbacks in the league.” Can you imagine what would have happened to a Flacco, Romo, or any other young white quarterback if he said he was only talking with other white quarterbacks in the league?


3 posted on 10/12/2009 2:27:16 PM PDT by hampdenkid
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To: Perdogg

You hear constant calls for the veteran back up Collins to play. My observation is Deadskins fans are unleashing their frustration on Snyder.


4 posted on 10/12/2009 2:27:19 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: 4everontheRight; ABG(anybody but Gore); Abbeville Conservative; akorahil; albee; Americanwolf; ...
I honestly feel uncomfortable bringing this up, but there has been very little criticism of Jason, at least in the local media. Tony Romo is hammered all of the time, and for good reasons.
5 posted on 10/12/2009 2:28:05 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Perdogg

First, I am a huge Jason Campbell fan. Secondly, I don’t think it has to do with his race.


6 posted on 10/12/2009 2:28:10 PM PDT by AUsome Joy
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To: AUsome Joy

No, I don’t think any problem has to do with any one’s race, just how it is being reported in the newsmedia.


7 posted on 10/12/2009 2:29:41 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Perdogg

As Rush would tell you, “The media wants to see a black quarterback succeed and they’ll lie about the statistics to make it so.”


8 posted on 10/12/2009 2:29:56 PM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: Perdogg

I don’t know where you’re listening to football commentary, in the places I listen to and read about the best anybody says about Campbell is he doesn’t stink as bad as Russell.


9 posted on 10/12/2009 2:30:34 PM PDT by discostu (The Bluebird of Happiness long absent from his life, Ned is visited by the Chicken of Depression)
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To: Perdogg

With Romo he is the QB of the Cowboys so he will get lots of media attention. Also he has done major choke jobs in playoffs or with a spot in the playoffs on the line. Romo does bring attention to himself with his choice of gf’s especially taking the well publicized trip to Mexico during the playoff season.


10 posted on 10/12/2009 2:30:46 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: Perdogg

At least he can complete more than 2 passes in a game.


11 posted on 10/12/2009 2:30:58 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: Perdogg
Jason is an adequate qb for a team that is excellent in all other respects. That's not good enough for the Skins.

They have an excellent D but their play strategy stinks, and it all starts with Zorn. He is not ready for prime time.

Fire Zorn and replace Campbell whether he's black or white. The defense deserves an offense of equal skill.

12 posted on 10/12/2009 2:31:05 PM PDT by evad (It's A Mont Thing)
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To: Perdogg

Is that a rhetorical question? All of us in the DC Metro area know that any criticism of Campbell isn’t PC. Campbell has all the physical tools, but he is not an NFL first team QB. He is indecisive and does not get the ball off fast enough. He also has a hard time reading defenses and making good audibles.


13 posted on 10/12/2009 2:31:37 PM PDT by kabar
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To: C19fan

No one has ever spared any criticism of Romo.


14 posted on 10/12/2009 2:32:19 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: C19fan

No one has ever spared any criticism of Romo.


15 posted on 10/12/2009 2:32:19 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Perdogg

COLT!!!COLT!!!!


16 posted on 10/12/2009 2:33:11 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Mmmm, Mmmm, Mmmm.......)
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To: AUsome Joy

I am not a Campbell fan...if his first option isn’t open, he panics...

I don’t hate him or think he sucks, but clearly, as Rodney Harrison said, should be a backup in the NFL, not a starter.

Apparently, he needs to consult with Donovan McNabb, Vince Young or David Garrard, not Peyton Manning or Philip Rivers...this is the crap that DIVIDES us, not makes us one.

The league is so PC it makes me vomit as their stars rack up arrests.


17 posted on 10/12/2009 2:33:55 PM PDT by wac3rd (Felipe Calderon supports the public option.)
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To: Sybeck1

CREW! CREW!


18 posted on 10/12/2009 2:34:10 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: jessduntno

Geezus, every time a black quarterback struggles or plain out sucks, it’s always because of his race. Jason Campbell stares down his recievers, can’t audible worth crap and doesn’t check down his recievers. There are many white quarterbacks that also do the same thing. Was upstate NY critical of J.P. Losman because he’s Hispanic or because the guy also stared down his recievers?

But IMHO, this may be a pattern with a lot of young black quarterbacks. Since Randall Cunningham, a lot of black quarterbacks in the junior ranks emulated him. There’s been 2 generations of black quarterbacks that depended on being their feet when the protection broke down instead of checking down to their halfbacks, tight ends and fullbacks. Maybe poor Jason Campbell thought he could scramble his way out of trouble instead of checking down.

McNabb learned the hard way how to check down and stare away from his intended reciever. Hopefully, on his new team, Jason Campbell will do the same, leading them to a Grey Cup victory.


19 posted on 10/12/2009 2:34:52 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: Perdogg

You’re playing the race card.


20 posted on 10/12/2009 2:37:14 PM PDT by Shade2
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To: evad

Well, the way things work in the NFL, if you fire the coach you are probably also changing the QB. Coaches like to bring in their own ‘guy’ and that usually means a QB who already plays their system. 9 times out of 10 this means that the current QB is a goner.


21 posted on 10/12/2009 2:37:18 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: C19fan
..his choice of gf’s especially taking the well publicized trip to Mexico during the playoff season.

Yeah...he was lucky he could even stand up after that trip.

22 posted on 10/12/2009 2:37:28 PM PDT by evad (It's A Mont Thing)
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To: Perdogg; thefactor
I dunno...here in NYC area, black athletes DO get hammered pretty good when they deserve it. For example, Jose Reyes of the Mets received plenty of criticism, Patrick Ewing got plenty of heat when he was playing and Tiki Barber and Plaxico were not cut any slack. And Keyshawn was no media fave when he was here.

Is DC different? Could be...but as an NFC fan and observer, I think your OL is a bigger problem than Campbell; another quality receiver and a quick, cut-back runner like our Ahmad Bradshaw wouldn't hurt either. And throw more to Cooley...

I'm jes' sayin'...

23 posted on 10/12/2009 2:39:02 PM PDT by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: TypeZoNegative
First of all, let me make this one thing clear. I am not making an issue of Campbell's race. We all fail or succeed on our own merits. I merely suggested that he was spared criticism because of PC media. There was plenty of criticism of Gus Ferrotte and Patrick Ramsey when they palyed. But here in DC, there has been very little criitcism of Jason.
24 posted on 10/12/2009 2:40:14 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: darkangel82
"At least he can complete more than 2 passes in a game."

What a performance that was. Quinn is their future. They should have made him the starter and then stuck it out. Aikman went 0-11 in his first season with the Cowboys. Quinn struggled a bit, but they yanked him way too soon.

As for Campbell, I'd say this is his last season. It will be his third full season as a starter, but he had to deal with a coaching and offensive scheme change. If Jim Zorn can't make you a successful NFL quarterback, no one can. My guess is Campbell will go the way of Joey Harrington and just about every QB who's played for Chicago the last 12 years.

25 posted on 10/12/2009 2:40:31 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: Perdogg

Ummmm.....Tony Romo is Hispanic.


26 posted on 10/12/2009 2:41:01 PM PDT by txroadkill ( 9/12/2009 another win for the Gipper!)
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To: Pharmboy
I encourage to people to disagree. I merely suggested this because there has generally been little criticism of Campbell.
27 posted on 10/12/2009 2:41:48 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: kabar
Campbell has all the physical tools, but he is not an NFL first team QB. He is indecisive and does not get the ball off fast enough. He also has a hard time reading defenses and making good audibles.

Couple all of that with limited field of vision and passing inaccuracy (unless he gets at least 6 seconds) and you complete his resume. He absolutely cannot handle play action. By the time he turns back to down field he has lost the whole playing field.

28 posted on 10/12/2009 2:42:19 PM PDT by evad (It's A Mont Thing)
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To: Perdogg
There has been plenty of criticism of Tony Romo and lack of winning the big game.

So I guess it's ok to be racist when it's a Mexican QB.

29 posted on 10/12/2009 2:43:11 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: C19fan
You hear constant calls for the veteran back up Collins to play.

What about the guy from Hawaii, Colt Brennan?

30 posted on 10/12/2009 2:45:30 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Tallguy
...this means that the current QB is a goner.

Totally acceptable.

31 posted on 10/12/2009 2:46:05 PM PDT by evad (It's A Mont Thing)
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To: Perdogg

Don’t misunderstand me either...I think your question is absolutely legit. I thought with Zorn coming in, he would benefit from a former QB as a head coach, but Jason has not improved much. I think other things are worse on the ‘Skins than he is (for example, he doesn’t throw many picks, right? And how many sacks has he taken?) but if were the Giants QB, he would be a damn sight better.


32 posted on 10/12/2009 2:46:08 PM PDT by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: hampdenkid

If he wanted advice from black quarterbacks, he should have contacted Doug Williams. But then again, Doug Williams might be affended to be referred to as anything other than a “Super Bowl” winning quarterback....

hh


33 posted on 10/12/2009 2:46:15 PM PDT by hoosier hick (Note to RINOs: We need a choice, not an echo....Barry Goldwater)
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To: Perdogg
CREW! CREW!

SHOOT HIM!!!

34 posted on 10/12/2009 2:46:21 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: TypeZoNegative

There seems to be 3 types of QB’s in the NFL now:
1. the pocket QB who has a just enough mobility, quick release or brute strength (pick 2) to make it work;
2. the highly mobile QB who will take off & run if his 1st or 2nd receiving option is covered; and
3. the Wildcat QB who is there to run first, pass 2nd.

Everybody wants a Cat #1 QB, but there are so darned few of them that make it. Cat #2 QB’s can bring instant credibility to an offense, but often have trouble developing into a well-rounded QB.

I think that the future is with the Wildcat QB. Guys like Tim Tebow are going to have an immediate impact in the NFL because the spread/wildcat formation seems to open up the running game. NFL defenses haven’t really caught up with it yet.


35 posted on 10/12/2009 2:46:53 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Perdogg

Jason Campbell is the reason I don’t have Sunday Ticket this year.


36 posted on 10/12/2009 2:46:55 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Mmmm, Mmmm, Mmmm.......)
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To: dfwgator

Colt was hurt during the pre-season and is out for the year.


37 posted on 10/12/2009 2:49:56 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: evad
By the time he turns back to down field he has lost the whole playing field.

Sounds like he doesn't trust his receivers to be where they are supposed to be. I watched Peyton Manning on Sunday -- simply amazing watching him hit his 3rd receiver right on the button. He just knows where everybody is without looking. Of course his workouts are legendary.

38 posted on 10/12/2009 2:51:14 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Tallguy
There seems to be 3 types of QB’s in the NFL now: 1. the pocket QB who has a just enough mobility, quick release or brute strength (pick 2) to make it work; 2. the highly mobile QB who will take off & run if his 1st or 2nd receiving option is covered; and 3. the Wildcat QB who is there to run first, pass 2nd.

In the NFL, a good quarterback isn't determined by what their physical abilities are, it is their ability to mentally pick up the game at the extreme speed that the game is today. And a lot of great college QBs are unable to make that adjustment in the pros. It doesn't matter if they have a bullet of an arm. It's something you either have or you don't.

39 posted on 10/12/2009 2:51:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: C19fan
Colt was hurt during the pre-season and is out for the year.

Did not know that, bummer.

40 posted on 10/12/2009 2:51:42 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Perdogg

Why is the grammar wrong in so many of our post titles?


41 posted on 10/12/2009 2:51:47 PM PDT by Poser (Enjoying Prime Rib for 58 Years!)
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To: C19fan

Is Chase Daniel still around?

hh


42 posted on 10/12/2009 2:52:08 PM PDT by hoosier hick (Note to RINOs: We need a choice, not an echo....Barry Goldwater)
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To: Poser

I screwed up again.


43 posted on 10/12/2009 2:52:37 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Perdogg

Rush was right about Donovan McNabb at the time. Philly football was killed by all the racialistism for many years as no black QB could ever officially underperform to the Philly Sports Press — which is the nation’s MOST influential sports press on account of ESPN and Comcast.

It’s not NcNabb that makes the best case for that — it’s the whole Randall Cunningham -> Donovan McNabb -> Micheal Vick thang. Philadelphia is where black athletes come to be praised beyond any actual ability.


44 posted on 10/12/2009 2:52:45 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Perdogg
I hate to bring up the subject of race, but living in the DC metro area, there has been no honest debate or criticsm of Jason Campbell.

His numbers so far this year are not bad, QB rating of 90.35.


You just answered your own question. Campbell is a good QB. Definitely not elite, but he's the kind of QB you can win with, as the Redskins have done in the past. This same basic team did go 6-2 last year before a total meltdown.

Washington has bigger problems than QB.
45 posted on 10/12/2009 2:52:48 PM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: hoosier hick

I think Vinny Testaverde is available.


46 posted on 10/12/2009 2:53:04 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: hoosier hick

He is on the NO roster.


47 posted on 10/12/2009 2:54:07 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: Terpfen
It has nothing to do whether one is a good QB. The question is how much blame should be laid on Campbell and why isn't being laid?
48 posted on 10/12/2009 2:55:12 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Perdogg

I’m sorry to say, but Rush was right...and you are correct.


49 posted on 10/12/2009 2:56:14 PM PDT by northwinds
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To: dfwgator
In the NFL, a good quarterback isn't determined by what their physical abilities are, it is their ability to mentally pick up the game at the extreme speed that the game is today.

I always enjoy it when NFL teams have to decide between a QB that wins ugly, and one that "has all the tools" or a "cannon for an arm". ( I seem to remember Bobby Douglass throwing a ball 70 yards in the air with a broken wrist-- but he couldn't throw a ball with touch if his life depended on it. I much preferred Virgil Carter. So much for old Bears trivia...) The ones that come to mind are: Doug Flutie or Rob Johnson, Trent Dilfer or Elvis Grbac, Rex Grossman or Kyle Orton? hh
50 posted on 10/12/2009 2:59:30 PM PDT by hoosier hick (Note to RINOs: We need a choice, not an echo....Barry Goldwater)
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