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End of the world as Hollywood knows it
CNet News ^ | 20 October 2009 | Greg Sandoval

Posted on 10/21/2009 10:44:28 AM PDT by ShadowAce

To: Charlize Theron, Hugh Jackman, Seth Rogen, Tina Fey, Steven Spielberg, Michael Mann, every actor, actress, screenwriter, costumer, best boy, cameraman, set designer, makeup artist, and agent--plus anyone else who makes their living in the film industry.
From: Greg Sandoval, CNET media reporter and film fan.
Re: Your livelihood

Cut your spending. Save your money. Many of the revenue streams that have gushed into your industry for decades, some for nearly a century, are about to dry up. This will likely mean a period of belt tightening like you've never seen before.

The end is coming for DVDs, traditional movie rentals, and yes, much of your cable money will likely disappear.

The news isn't entirely bad; you still have iTunes and Netflix--places where people spend money to buy or rent movies. You still have Hulu, Crackle.com, and YouTube, which are generating ad revenue by streaming full-length films and TV shows online. But the reality is that the amount of money that these legal operations generate is far less than the returns your industry is used to making. Unless some dramatic technological breakthrough occurs that can defeat file sharing, then you are staring at checkmate. Your business is headed for the same meat grinder that has chewed up the recorded music sector and print publishing. What will come out the other side is still uncertain but will likely be much smaller.

I'm sure many of you will write this off as the apocalyptic rantings of Silicon Valley propeller heads. But I urge you to pay attention to recent events.

Over the past five days I've been in Los Angeles talking to entertainment attorneys, studio executives, and some of the tech vendors who do business with the studios. I've been covering the sector three years now and I've never seen people in the film industry so dejected. DVD sales are falling, the number of upcoming film releases is expected to drop. Some big shots have even acknowledged the bleak situation in public. The past weekend, at a conference on the USC campus, Disney CEO Bob Iger said the "business model that formed the motion picture business...is changing profoundly before our eyes."

Iger warned that studios must make profound changes, "or you will no longer have a business."

Earlier this month, Francis Ford Coppola, the director of "The Godfather" said at the Beirut Film Festival that "the cinema as we know it is falling apart." He also predicted several of the studios would go out of business.

Of course, not all of your industry's problems were caused by the Web. Hollywood has paid creators handsomely over the years and costs have skyrocketed. Then there's the problem with Blu-ray. Iger noted that consumers aren't upgrading their DVD collections with Blu-ray discs to the degree that the industry had hoped.

But if you're really inclined to wag a finger, there is nothing disrupting your business more than the Internet. The MPAA has worked hard to force file-sharing sites out of business or push them to the Web's fringes. At first, the studios tried to kill file sharing with lawsuits. Then they hired security firms, such as MediaDefender and MediaSentry, which promised to discourage file sharers by blocking or slowing the sharing process. None of that worked.

Maybe that's one reason the MPAA overhauled its "antipiracy" operations three weeks ago. CNET reported on Friday that the studios' trade group decided to change the name of the "antipiracy" unit to "content protection" and fired three leaders, including the MPAA's general counsel.

And now, snatching a pirated film or TV show doesn't require knowledge of torrents. There are scores of sites that stream movies and TV shows over the Web and a viewer doesn't have to actually download the movie to their hard drive. I spoke to someone at the studios last week who said these sites are tougher to fight because they can crop up anywhere and many are based overseas. Often, said the source, "We don't know where they are."

"Hulu may be doing immediate harm to elements of your business, but waiting right behind Hulu in the shadows, are things that do so much more harm."
--Eric Garland, Big Champagne CEO

What is happening is that the consumption of unauthorized content appears to be moving out of dorm rooms and into the living rooms of average Americans. Here is what you're up against:

A 28-year-old woman I'll call Alexandra (she asked for anonymity) grew up in Missouri, graduated from college, attends church every Sunday, and told me that she watches episodes of the hit cable show "Mad Men" at least twice a week at Surfthechannel.com, a site that hosts links to many unauthorized clips. She gleefully said that visitors can find almost any TV show they want and not pay a dime.

Alexandra said a friend told her about Surfthechannel.com a year or two ago and she watches shows there because she doesn't want to pay for a cable subscription, or a TV and because it's so easy.

She explained that she is not a bad person and that "everybody is doing this." She says one of her professors told her "he and his wife sit at home on the weekends and enjoyed movies they downloaded (illegally) off the Web."

I ask her if she has tried Hulu, the popular video site created by News Corp. and NBC Universal. The site offers a few feature films and lots of TV shows free to viewers and pays for them by serving ads. She said she had visited Hulu but added that "there's more of the stuff I want at Surfthechannel.com."

Alexandra's statements about Hulu come at a time when the site's backers are mulling whether to build a pay wall around some of its content. Alexandra and people like her aren't even accepting Hollywood's offer of free content because unauthorized sites offer better selection.

What do you think will happen if Hulu begins charging?

Don't get me wrong. I understand that the returns at Hulu are probably much smaller than what the studios are accustomed to getting. There's also the problem of growing dissatisfaction among the cable operators. How long will they continue to pay big bucks if more of their customers dump their subscriptions in favor of sites such as Hulu? Leaving a business that generated billions for one that makes far less would be hard for anyone.

But the possibility that studio chiefs must consider is what if the money offered by iTunes, Hulu, and Netflix is all that a digitally ravaged media world offers.

Eric Garland, CEO of Big Champagne, a company that tracks file-sharing usage and sells the data to the studios and major record labels said: "Hulu may be doing immediate harm to elements of your business, but waiting right behind Hulu in the shadows, are things that do so much more harm."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: dvd; hollywood; theend
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1 posted on 10/21/2009 10:44:28 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

2 posted on 10/21/2009 10:44:43 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Oh gee, less income for the Hollyweird libs. Where’s my box of kleenex?


3 posted on 10/21/2009 10:47:36 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: ShadowAce

Like all tech, they’ll have to compete more, their margins will shrink, and they will have to make it up with volume. To do this, they’ll have to put out...dun dun DUUUUUUNNNNN! BETTER CONTENT! You know that that means? No more X-Men 3’s, Hugh Jackman. At least if you’d like to avoid returning to those Strippergram gigs.


4 posted on 10/21/2009 10:48:55 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: ShadowAce

How about thanking Obama for making the economy so lousy that people are losing their jobs and can’t afford your over-priced blu-ray discs and thank yourselves for making awful films no one really wants to see and constantly shooting your big mouths off about your leftist politics?


5 posted on 10/21/2009 10:51:04 AM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: ShadowAce

the movie business would be all right even with the pirates if they made movies people wanted to watch.

i have read at free republic and elsewhere that a lot of great iraq/afghan war screenplays have been written since 2001.

but they were never made into movies because some part of them was politically incorrect.


6 posted on 10/21/2009 10:52:48 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: ShadowAce

Good. It’s what they get for keeping my beloved childhood shows from me like Father Dowling Mysteries, Shining Time station, etc


7 posted on 10/21/2009 10:55:40 AM PDT by musicbymuzak
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To: ShadowAce; Landru

Isn’t income redistribution what they voted for?


8 posted on 10/21/2009 11:00:59 AM PDT by Dem Guard
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To: Bobkk47

no matter how much you might hate the studios and some of the fools they employ, the real issue here is intellectual property rights. if it’s okay to steal copyrights, why would it not be okay to steal patents?

some patents are protected by the means to reproduce them. you and i can’t make cpus or transmissions. but that just forces intellectual property into the hands of the very rich. a company the size of general electric can defend its patents. a large publisher can protect its books. that leaves you and i on the sidelines. the small firms that might publish a book we write, or build a product we invent can’t compete with the illicit trade. when they realize that investment is less than return, they stop operating. innovation by small parties is damaged. it hurts us, not them.


9 posted on 10/21/2009 11:00:59 AM PDT by sig226 (My President was President of the week at the Norwegian Slough Academy.)
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To: sig226

“no matter how much you might hate the studios and some of the fools they employ, the real issue here is intellectual property rights. if it’s okay to steal copyrights, why would it not be okay to steal patents?”

Hollywood is neither intellectual or right. Good riddance.


10 posted on 10/21/2009 11:11:26 AM PDT by bella1 (Remember; it took four years of Carter to give us eight years of Reagan.)
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To: sig226

Agreed. One thing many don’t clearly recall is that if the Free in Free enterprise is taken literally, the producers will have absolutely no incentive to produce. As far as film, as bad as it is now, all we’ll be left with are the products of those no talents seeking ten minutes of celebrity. They’ll make the poorest Indie film today look like the collections of Hitchcock, Kubrick, and John Ford.


11 posted on 10/21/2009 11:13:38 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (atement)
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To: domenad

I have close friends of mine who actually download via bittorrent and I will admit, I saw Pelham 123 when 2 weeks ago as a downloaded product. It’s hard to fathom spending for a DVD unless it’s Blu Ray, but the only positive thing is that:

1) the uploaded films don’t have the “features” version of the DVD..just the film itself.
2) it usually takes more than 4 GB to download the hi-def versions. You’d better have an excellent web connection to DL that big a file.


12 posted on 10/21/2009 11:13:48 AM PDT by max americana (i)
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To: Dem Guard
Isn’t income redistribution what they voted for?

Post of the day!

13 posted on 10/21/2009 11:15:57 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (Running my computer bare naked for over a year with no infections at all.)
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To: Dem Guard
"Isn’t income redistribution what they voted for?"

Sure they did but good grief, not theirs. LOL

14 posted on 10/21/2009 11:17:22 AM PDT by Landru (If you want to perform for 15 mins, 30 mins, 1 hour, 5 days, a YEAR! Call...)
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To: Dem Guard

Funny isn’t it how when that redistribution thing affects their income, they aren’t quite so enamored with it.


15 posted on 10/21/2009 11:19:26 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: ShadowAce

I have a long and ever growing list of actors I will not watch and certainly would never put any of my money in their pocket. I would rather read than watch most of these overpaid arrogant clowns.


16 posted on 10/21/2009 11:20:37 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: ShadowAce

Even with recent “reductions” they’re still on pace for around $10 billion in theatrical money and another $10 billion in DVD sales and about $6 billion in rentals. Hollywood isn’t in that much trouble.


17 posted on 10/21/2009 11:20:55 AM PDT by discostu (The Bluebird of Happiness long absent from his life, Ned is visited by the Chicken of Depression)
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To: ReneeLynn

And then there are those of us who simply no longer support the dictator hugging ‘stars’, who put our country down, jet around the world on a whim, and tell us we have to cut our ‘carbon’ footprints!, and cheerlead a dictator in the United States, while supporting and promoting indoctrination.

Yeah, we stopped going to the movies, buying and renting DVD’s....


18 posted on 10/21/2009 11:24:55 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: ShadowAce

I think I see a basic misunderstanding of Hulu. It legitimately serves video and makes money through the ads. It’s jointly-owned by Disney (ABC), Fox and NBC.


19 posted on 10/21/2009 11:26:00 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: ShadowAce

So we have dumped our Directv that was going to 60.00 a month.
In it’s place, Dad installed a computer with a tv card onto our 52” Plasma.
We watch...

Netflix streaming (12.95 a month) with all the Disney shows and Mythbusters. Added bonus to our 1 disc at a time is Homeschool lessons.

Bedroomedia - one can watch about anything there.

YouTube - Love Steven Crowder, Cooking With Dog and all Japanese Iron Chef episodes.

I watch FoxNews where I can since TikiLive dropped it, but it can be found.

On the side, I hit the RedBox.

We have a BluRay player and don’t use it except for DVDs. So now I’m saving 50.00 a month and not want for anything.


20 posted on 10/21/2009 11:27:15 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: bella1
“no matter how much you might hate the studios and some of the fools they employ, the real issue here is intellectual property rights. if it’s okay to steal copyrights, why would it not be okay to steal patents?”

Hollywood is neither intellectual or right. Good riddance.



Apparently logic isn't your strong suit. Cheering on copyright theft is decidedly unconservative.
21 posted on 10/21/2009 11:28:01 AM PDT by Since 2009-07-21
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To: Freddd

I rent my wonderful old films.


22 posted on 10/21/2009 11:29:48 AM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: sig226

I agree. If it’s OK to steal intellectual property, is it OK to transmit a virus to such idiots to reformat their hard drives?

If that step is met with dismay, imagine the dismay of copyright holders looking over your shoulder as you watch their work for free while you toss back, “Everybody’s doing it, right?”


23 posted on 10/21/2009 11:31:32 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Jvette
Could you imagine Oprah running in to a financial ruin?
I'm always miffed how these people think they are immune
from all of the same things that are befalling the great
unwashed. I hate to ask, but are they really that stupid
after-all?
24 posted on 10/21/2009 11:33:40 AM PDT by Dem Guard
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To: ReneeLynn
How about thanking Obama for making the economy so lousy that people are losing their jobs and can’t afford your over-priced blu-ray discs

Blu-ray was a dud before the economy tanked. After the entertainment industry convinced everyone to trade their LPs for CDs and their VHS tapes for DVDs. they couldn't convince them to replace their DVDs with other DVDs that look a little better.

Like many businesses, the entertainment industry is constantly focused on making the biggest returns possible in the near term, with little thought to the long term.

25 posted on 10/21/2009 11:40:41 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: ShadowAce

Hollywood will be seeking access to the next captive audience.


26 posted on 10/21/2009 11:42:05 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: ShadowAce

I’ve always thought cable TV should go to a download format of unlimited movies, say all movies between 1930’s to present, and have them for a cheap price—maybe 99 cents.

Hollywood films are often moral pit-holes and not worth seeing. But if I’m in the mood for a clean, decent movie, it would be great to pick any one I wanted from a list on Comcast...ones like “The Winslow Boy” or “What’s Up Doc” —— I’d gladyly pay the 99 cents.


27 posted on 10/21/2009 11:44:54 AM PDT by Cedar
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To: ShadowAce
The issue isn't whether it's "right" or not (I submit that it isn't) but whether it can be stopped. And Hollywood is, despite the absurd pretensions of its employees, a profoundly capitalistic enterprise. No profit, no enterprise. That's how it is.

But let's not sound taps quite yet. "Free" sites that show advertising aren't free. Margins are certainly going to go down, no doubt about that. But technology does move on. I'd pay money to see a movie in IMAX that I could just as easily steal and watch on a 20" monitor, for example.

And business models tend to catch up as well. When cable television was new there were concerns expressed that there'd be no more need for commercials because you'd be covering all necessary fees by paying for your cable. For anyone younger than 40, I swear I'm not making that up. ;-)

28 posted on 10/21/2009 11:47:33 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: ShadowAce

Dear Hollywood,

First, and foremost, your revenue is falling due to the content of your product. YOU...Hollywood...opened the door and left it open, wide open, when you became a political mouthpiece and advocate.

And your revenue exited stage right.

I haven’t been to a movie theater in about 5 years. I haven’t rented a movie in about the same time frame. I have only watched a movie on cable about 4 times in the last 3-4 years. And I WILL NOT watch a made for TV movie anymore, at all.

Nor will I buy from your advertisers or sponsors.

I DO NOT want to sit through a movie and see a political advocate, and I WILL NOT do it.

Now, let’s talk about cable/satellite providers. Push has come to shove. The average American, which I consider myself to be, cannot afford upwards of $2000.00 a year for television. Even if we could, most of us can think of much better ways to find entertainment for less or for free, and much better ways to spend $2000.00.

So, now you know why DVD’s aren’t selling/renting, and why the cables are showing less and less of your product.

Hey, that’s free insight, use it to your advantage. I hope to see you again, after you wake the “F” up.

Sincerely,
Your former number 1 fan.


29 posted on 10/21/2009 11:54:59 AM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: Bobkk47

Less income means less output. There will be fewer movies to view.

Hmmm. Given the quality of Hollyweird’s output lately, I still don’t see a down side...


30 posted on 10/21/2009 11:55:20 AM PDT by Little Ray (Obama is a kamikaze president aimed at the heart of this Republic.)
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To: Dem Guard

Excellent observation.


31 posted on 10/21/2009 11:55:58 AM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: ShadowAce

We’ve cut WAY back on our Dishnetwork bill - because most of the crap on TV just isn’t worth watching. The HDTV channels for the most part just re-broadcast the same low resolution shows, and charge you $10/month for having a HD appear next to the channel number.

I’ve become a huge fan of Netflix; I pay $9/month and have a selection of thousands of movies I can stream to my PC, or to my home theater through my XBox. If I watch the DVD the day I get it, and mail it back the next day, I can reliably count on getting 6-8 movies a month via the mail; plus the steaming content changes regularily.

The few shows I watch on TV are all on Fox. Lost (yeah, I’m addicted), the news and Glen Beck are about the only thing that interests me anymore.

I can drop $1 and watch a movie courtesy of the plentiful supply of Redbox stands in the area. I have my own home theater (1080p, 110 inch screen, 7.1 THX system) so I don’t have to put up with undisciplined punks who make cell phone calls during movies, talk during the movies or kick the seats.

Part of the problem, is that the younger generation has no idea how to behave in public. Heaven forbid that discipling them when they act up when they are younger, as that might hurt their precious self-esteem.


32 posted on 10/21/2009 11:57:20 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: netmilsmom

“So we have dumped our Directv that was going to 60.00 a month.”

Only $60.00?

My cable bill went to $168.35. Then, when i tried to cut some stuff out they told me I’d have to sign a 2 year contract. I told ‘em to shove it (my wife had a coniption fit-LOL).

Two months later they sent one of those smarmy “We want you back” postcards, offering no contract renewals. So, now I’m back and I pay $71.80. :O)

Gee, I can’t believe that I’m happy about paying for television.


33 posted on 10/21/2009 12:02:20 PM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: papasmurf

What do you get for nearly 80.00 a month?


34 posted on 10/21/2009 12:03:53 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: ShadowAce

They’ve been pricing themselves out of business. $10 for a movie ticket? $4 for a soda? I think not!

With the economy the way it is, it will be no problem for people to drop that luxury.

Though I plan to see a movie this weekend- at the $3.75 matinee.


35 posted on 10/21/2009 12:07:21 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: sig226

Agree about stealing intellectual property rights being wrong. Also agree that hollyweird etc. have long been over priced. Many of them are obnoxious, addicts etc. as well.

There should be some middle ground between property rights being stolen and these people being compensated astronomically.


36 posted on 10/21/2009 12:10:59 PM PDT by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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To: Hodar

Here’s a story that will warm your heart.

Our electricity went out one day so we headed to a movie theater. We were seeing “Kung Fu Panda”. Behind us were three of the most obnoxious girls who talked and texted all through the film. We even moved to get away from them but they were so loud we could hear them at the bottom of the theater.

At the end of the movie, we went to Petland. In walks the three loud girls. They were just as obnoxious there, grabbing bunnies and scaring the birds. Finally one scoops up a dwarf hamster then screams. Here the little buggar bit her so hard that she was dripping blood all over the floor. I’d be surprised if she didn’t need stitches.

Sometimes even nasty little hamsters can teach a lesson.


37 posted on 10/21/2009 12:11:05 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

Extended basic cable (I call that the oxymoron package), Lifetime, Oxygen, Soap (wife), Speed, (me), and all the news channels. The “extended” portion gives us TNT, USA, and a couple of other unimportant ones.

That’s it. Plus, I bought a tv that I didn’t know about, but has built in HD and digital converter. So, I took back all of their boxes, and made them refund me the monthly fine, I mean rental on those, too. I tried to get them to give me only Foxnews, but they wouldn’t. :O)

That’s the whole package, not much, huh?


38 posted on 10/21/2009 12:13:57 PM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: papasmurf

They have us coming and going.


39 posted on 10/21/2009 12:19:37 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: papasmurf

And btw, FoxNews

http://wssus.mobitv.com/wm8-320


40 posted on 10/21/2009 12:20:44 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: domenad

Exactly how will changing the content of films stop the loss of revenues through piracy?


41 posted on 10/21/2009 12:21:26 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Jvette
Funny isn’t it how when that redistribution thing affects their income...

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Exactly how is theft of intellectual property the re-distribution of income?

42 posted on 10/21/2009 12:24:08 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Let's Roll
There should be some middle ground between property rights being stolen and these people being compensated astronomically.

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Hey, maybe you can get a job in the obama administration.....they like deciding who gets paid what too.

43 posted on 10/21/2009 12:25:28 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: ShadowAce
Prediction: Hollywood bailouts.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

44 posted on 10/21/2009 12:26:26 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: wtc911
Huh? Geez, I didn't think this needed explaining but guess I was wrong.

IP rights need to be protected but the market is just gonna plain decide what those rights are really worth.

That will result in a middle ground between what the “entertainment industry” has been used to when it controlled all distribution and what it will become if IP rights are not protected at all.

If IP rights are not protected, as another FReeper has already pointed out, those with talent will stop producing and we will get dreck like you can't believe - it will cost very little and be worth exactly that.

45 posted on 10/21/2009 12:49:00 PM PDT by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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To: netmilsmom

Good for the Hamster.

My wife is afraid that I’ll assault someone when we go the theater. I learned a valuable lesson from my little brother several years ago when we were tubing the Comal River in Texas. My brother joined my girlfriend and I in a tube trip. Some punks jumped off an embankment and did cannon balls within feet of us, soaking us.

My little brother rolled off the tube, grabbed the biggest one, lifted his feet over his head and stood on the kids head, holding the kid in about 3.5 ft of water for a good 20 seconds. Scared the crap out of the kid. Then, reaching down into the water he grabbed the muddy, river-bottom encrusted punk by the hair and pulled him up. The kid was terrified, he then shouted in the punks ear “Hey, A**hole, you ought not to do rude stuff like this, because you never know who you are going to meet. Someone may not be as kind-hearted as I am”. He then took this High School kid and threw him ashore in front of his friends. Frightened, humiliated and face covered in mud - the punks slunk off.

Larry said, and I will never forget this “Some kids get their jollies off ruining someone else’s day, that’s all they want to do; is ruin someone else’s fun. But, if you humiliate them, you permanently take the fun out of it - because they are cowards, when someone finally stands up to their bullying, they leave and do not come back”. This is just anther case of parents failing to do their job.

So, my response when I have people like your girls is simple. I lean over my seat, place my face inches from them and then scream at them at the top of my lungs “I hope OUR movie isn’t ruining your phone call - now get the #@$& out of the theater and return when you learn how to respect others”. Yeah, I’m THAT person. Never fails to get an applause from the other attendees, and it’s not uncommon for those folks to return and not return.

People who talk in movies, are rude but are also cowards. They know that they are disruptive; but are hiding behind the fact that they think you are too polite to tell them to shut up. So, do what they fear most. Publically humiliate them - it teaches a lesson they will long remember.

Trust me on this one, when the movie is over and you are welking out - someone will tap your shoulder and say ‘Thank you’.


46 posted on 10/21/2009 12:50:49 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar

>>So, my response when I have people like your girls is simple. I lean over my seat, place my face inches from them and then scream at them at the top of my lungs “I hope OUR movie isn’t ruining your phone call - now get the #@$& out of the theater and return when you learn how to respect others”. Yeah, I’m THAT person. Never fails to get an applause from the other attendees, and it’s not uncommon for those folks to return and not return.<<

I’ll pay for your ticket the next time you want to join us. XD


47 posted on 10/21/2009 1:10:00 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Hodar
"Part of the problem, is that the younger generation has no idea how to behave in public. Heaven forbid that [disciplining] them when they act up when they are younger, as that might hurt their precious self-esteem."

That is one of the major reasons I don't go to movie theaters also. The uncivilized have ruined it. Other reasons include:


48 posted on 10/21/2009 1:15:52 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: StormEye

I know this will sound like a line, bragging or a stupid statement - but with a straight face, and my right hand held palm out and my left hand on a Bible ...

Build a home theater. They are not that expensive, and you can put together a VERY good system for less than you think. When you do, you will have a place where you and your family can retreat to enjoy a movie on YOUR schedule, eatting pizza, popcorn, taking bathroom breaks by hitting the pause button, playing HALO with the kids/grandkids, jamming on Guitar Hero or Rock Band with your friends and neighbors.

Never have to deal with punks ruining your experience, over-priced snacks, late nights, lines, missing the show because you drank too much Coke, and you get the Big Screen experience.

You’d be amazed at how good you can have it, for a very low cost of entry. Amazed.

My wife agrees, we built a theater in our home; and we both agree that we will never own a home in the future that doesn’t have someplace we can build a dedicated theater room. Once you have one, you will wonder how you ever managed without one.


49 posted on 10/21/2009 1:22:41 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: ShadowAce

Whatever happened to “Thou shalt not steal.”?


50 posted on 10/21/2009 1:23:44 PM PDT by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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