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To: D Rider

Thanks. Rohl’s work came out of the (failed) Glasgow Chronology, which also spawned the “Centuries of Darkness” book from Peter James et al. Back in early 2000, some comments I made on another forum:

[snip] David Rohl, part of the Glasgow School (which formed as a result of a convention about Velikovsky about 20 years ago) has two books out, and a third is coming soon. His Pharaohs and Kings also places the Exodus in the 13th Dynasty, and in fact even picks the same pharaoh as Dr V did (back in 1952!). Peter James et al, author of Centuries of Darkness, is also from the Glasgow School.

...Briefly, since Rohl comes to the same conclusion for the Exodus as Dr V, he has to reduce the length of the Hyksos period along the lines of the conventional view, but also has to squash dynasties subsequent to the 19th in order to make his system work. The era of the 18th and 19th dynasties (the real glory years of Egypt in a certain sense) have synchronisms with other places (such as Greece and Mesopotamia) that make it difficult for the timid to change them much.

In this regard Courville’s work with the Mesopotamian kingdoms really seems to shine... Rohl and James don’t seem to work with the problems there at all. They seem to think they can bail out the chronology by relying on the Mesopotamian chronology, forgetting apparently that it was developed dependent on the Egyptian chronology. [unsnip]

One minor correction, Velikovsky’s chronological framework was first published in outline form in 1945. :’)


12 posted on 11/01/2009 11:17:34 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
Do you then hold tho the classical chronology that correlates the Exodus with Ramses II?
13 posted on 11/01/2009 11:34:41 AM PST by D Rider
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To: SunkenCiv

http://www.gatewaystobabylon.com/myths.htm

Lamentations for the City of Ur

excerpt:

Enlil called the storm. The people mourn.
Winds of abundance he took from the land. The people mourn.
Bood winds he took away from Sumer. the people mourn.
Deputed evil winds. The people mourn.
Entrusted them to Kingaluda, tender of storms.

He called the storm that annihilates the land. The people mourn.
He called disastrous winds. The people mourn.
Enlil — choosing Gibil as his helper —
called the (great) hurricane of heaven. The people mourn.
The (blinding) hurricane howling across the skies — the people mourn —
the tempest unsubduable like breaks through levees,
beats down upon, devours the city’s ships,
(all these) he gathered at the base of heaven. The people mourn.

(Great) fires he lit that heralded the storm. The people mourn.
And lit on either flank of furious winds the searing heat of the desert.
Like flaming heat of noon this fire scorched.

The storm ordered by Enlil in hate, the storm which wears away the country,
covered Ur like a cloth, veiled it like a linen sheet.

http://www.gatewaystobabylon.com/myths/texts/lamentations/lamentur.html

http://www.gatewaystobabylon.com/myths/lamentations.htm

Lament for the Cities of Turin and Sumer

92...The dark time was roasted by hailstones and flames. The bright time was wiped out by a shadow. (2 mss. add 2 lines: On that bloody day, mouths were crushed, heads were crashed. The storm was a harrow coming from above, the city was struck by a hoe.) On that day, heaven rumbled, the earth trembled, the storm worked without respite. Heaven was darkened, it was covered by a shadow; the mountains roared. Utu lay down at the horizon, dust passed over the mountains. Nanna lay at the zenith, the people were afraid. The city ...... stepped outside. The foreigners in the city even chased away its dead. Large trees were uprooted, the forest growth was ripped out. The orchards were stripped of their fruit, they were cleaned of their offshoots. The crop drowned while it was still on the stalk, the yield of the grain diminished...


14 posted on 11/01/2009 12:55:18 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: SunkenCiv

Actually, David Rohl has four books out: Pharaohs and Kings, Legend, From Eden to Exile (called The Lost Testament when it was in hardcover), and The Lords of Avaris. I ordered them in February 2008.


18 posted on 11/02/2009 2:46:12 AM PST by Berosus (Come blast off with me! http://ppl.blastoffnetwork.com/charlesskimball04)
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