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"The Prisoner": What Happens When James Bond Goes John Galt
The Faster Times ^ | 11/4/09 | Richard Faulk

Posted on 11/04/2009 8:32:15 AM PST by steve-b

...Part spy adventure, part science fiction dystopia, and part counter-culture influenced social critique, The Prisoner was groundbreaking television when it debuted in the fall of 1967....

And now, after decades of speculation and anticipation, of deals struck and scrapped, the British cult classic is about to become the latest pop-cultural institution to submit itself to reinterpretation. On November 15, AMC will debut its own version of The Prisoner staring Jim Caviezel and Ian McKellen....

...The question we see playing out on cable news, in blogs, in town-hall meetings, and public demonstrations is "Who do we imagine ourselves to be? What is the soul of America?" As is the case with definitional questions, the answer is typically expressed as a negative: We are defined against the thing that we reject. And, as is the case with family squabbles, the tone is uniformly nasty and ad hominem. Our political lexicon is distended with a list of new terms of invective, Rabelaisian in its length and grotesquerie: We are a nation of wingnuts, moonbats, birthers, FReepers, libtards, Paultards, snow-billies, nObamans, Christianists, liberal fascists....

If Patrick McGoohan, the crusty, misanthropic creator of the original Prisoner, had lived to remake his series, I'm certain he would have recognized this knotted up state of affairs, so ripe for satire--and would have relished jabbing a finger into our aching collective pressure points, sparing the fragile sensibilities of neither right nor left....

(Excerpt) Read more at thefastertimes.com ...


TOPICS: Society; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: caviezel; ianmckellen; jimcaviezel; mcgoohan; mckellen; patrickmcgoohan; prisoner; theprisoner

1 posted on 11/04/2009 8:32:20 AM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b

With Jim Caviezel in it, I might have more hope that it will be a decent one. Gandalf the Gay is an interesting choice as co-star.


2 posted on 11/04/2009 8:35:29 AM PST by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: steve-b

My favorite show of all time returns?!


3 posted on 11/04/2009 8:35:59 AM PST by Renah
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To: BigEdLB

So Gandalf the Gay is Number 2? That might be appropriate.


4 posted on 11/04/2009 8:38:07 AM PST by Ingtar (Asses far Left of me; Rinos to the Left; FReepin' on the Right with you.)
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To: steve-b

Jesus and Gandalf?


5 posted on 11/04/2009 8:38:53 AM PST by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: steve-b

Britons today are watched by more “security” cameras than anyone could have imagined in 1967.

Many of them are even hooked to watchers and loudspeakers, so we even have that scene from The Prisoner, where “voices” order citizens not to break this or that law.

“You! Yes, you in the blue jacket! Pick up that litter!”


6 posted on 11/04/2009 8:44:06 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: steve-b

7 posted on 11/04/2009 8:44:47 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Renah

Be seeing you.


8 posted on 11/04/2009 8:44:58 AM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: steve-b
Did you even read this drivel before you posted it? It utterly drips with derision towards conservativism.

On second thought, since most of what you post does just that, you probably did read it.

9 posted on 11/04/2009 8:45:29 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: steve-b
This article looks like it was typed by someone holding his breath while typing. At first it looks rational, then as the paragraphs flow by the oxygen deprivation takes over until the author finally passes out and his head hits "Enter" to post it.

Still, I look forward to watching the remake of the Prisoner. They better not change the theme music. It's a classic of television.

10 posted on 11/04/2009 8:52:50 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Any similarity between V and the Obama admin is just that of Obama and any other totalitarian regime)
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To: steve-b

i doubt if the author actually saw the series himself. but I still await the remake, as I have been every time it is announced.

Patrick MacGoohan is dead? that’s too bad.


11 posted on 11/04/2009 9:10:59 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: steve-b

If the critic’s view is any perspective, Hollywood is again raping my childhood and turning something classic into revisionist political crap.

Another Manchurian Candidate redux?

Another antigun Planet of the Apes relaunch?

Give me a break.


12 posted on 11/04/2009 9:14:33 AM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: a fool in paradise

It was a fictional tv show then, just as it is now.


13 posted on 11/04/2009 9:16:01 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: stuartcr

It didn’t make widespread statements about the culture. It was a spy program with a twist. Now espionage has been ruled to be a violation of privacy rights and 007 agents’ licenses to kill are unethical examples of murder, torture, abuse, and violations of civil rights by Western Imperialist hegemony.

And besides, Communists, Seditious traitors, and Islamic Supremacists don’t mean any harm.


14 posted on 11/04/2009 9:25:15 AM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: steve-b

My casting for the remake would have been to have McGoohan play No. 2.


15 posted on 11/04/2009 9:34:41 AM PST by isom35
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To: steve-b

THE problem with “The Prisoner” is this: He NEVER escapes, he can not escape, otherwise the series is over... depressing. Kind of like Gilligans Island (Although eventually the powers that be eventually had mercy and allowed Gilligan et al to escape.)... only without ANY joy.


16 posted on 11/04/2009 9:43:56 AM PST by Jmouse007 (God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: a fool in paradise

So, it’s still just a fictional tv program.


17 posted on 11/04/2009 9:43:57 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: steve-b

WHO IS NUMBER ONE????


18 posted on 11/04/2009 9:46:22 AM PST by Charlemagne on the Fox
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To: null and void

Thought youmight like to read this ping


19 posted on 11/04/2009 9:49:19 AM PST by Shimmer1 (Froggie sez water nice and warm)
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To: stuartcr

The Eternal Jew was a fictional film too but it served as propaganda.

Even the winners of the Oscar for best documentary have been fictional of late.


20 posted on 11/04/2009 9:51:21 AM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: Charlemagne on the Fox
Like you didn't know who The One is...


21 posted on 11/04/2009 9:52:48 AM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: a fool in paradise

Which means that it’s all just made up, and doesn’t really matter.


22 posted on 11/04/2009 9:54:16 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: Jmouse007

It was a short lived series, a mini-series really. And McGoohan has said that there were only something like 13 of the 17 episodes(?) that were essential to the story. I thought there was a conclusion episode.


23 posted on 11/04/2009 9:55:14 AM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: stuartcr

Just like global warming doesn’t matter because the claims that man is behind it are “made up”. Except there are those trying to put constrictive plans into motion because of a movie.


24 posted on 11/04/2009 9:56:14 AM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: steve-b

It’s important to look at the Prisoner with respect to the McGoohan spy series that preceded it, that made McGoohan the dominant TV actor in Britain at the time, and were both groundbreaking and unique that they could not be dramatically copied.

Danger Man (1960-’62), presented the Cold War as a life or death, ruthless struggle between East and West. Originally a half-hour show, it was expanded to a full hour (1964-’66) and retitled in the US as Secret Agent. (Available on Netflix, and worth it).

McGoohan portrayed spy John Drake, and even after The Prisoner, was brought back, as “David Jones”, in essentially the same role, in the movie Ice Station Zebra.

While utterly ruthless, he avoided guns if at all possible, using the same sensibility as the Cold War of, “I’ll kill you, but I won’t shoot you.” Communists were utterly blatant about it, full of dialectic and proud of proclaiming what they were, unlike today, when they will no longer admit to being communists.

At the same time, surrealism was penetrating British culture, with pseudo-spy shows like The Avengers, that were far more glib and less interested in politics.

With the blow up set of The Prisoner, the whole genre was smashed in British TV, leaving only James Bond, who had to leave England for a couple of decades. The serious, dramatic spy TV then migrated to the US, with Mission: Impossible, before American culture changed as well.

So The Prisoner went after several competing premises. To start with, that the Cold War enemies had become identical in their means, if not their ends. That is, nobody actually knew who ran The Village. It was even more likely to be run by the “good guys” as the “bad guys”.

Another premise was found all over both British and US culture at the time: the fear of technology overwhelming humanity. This still exists, but then, there was the idea that technology could be entertaining at the same time it was dehumanizing. People could fantasize about “Rover”, yet realize that it was an injurious, sometimes lethal killing machine.

One episode had the same concept as several original Star Trek episodes, of the super intelligent computer being bested by simple, human paradox. This was very emotionally gratifying to those who felt intimidated by IBM card using computers, with their “near human” intelligence, though nowhere near as powerful as a Commodore 64.

Finally, an undercurrent of The Prisoner is that even this super human, super spy, is quickly being worn down by the efforts of The New Number 2, and his minions. At first, the episodes are serious, but you can tell that perhaps his mind is slipping. The last few episodes are farcical. Perhaps they are just in his mind. Perhaps they finally did discover why he resigned, but in the process leaving behind just a shell of once was.


25 posted on 11/04/2009 10:10:35 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: KarlInOhio
They better not change the theme music. It's a classic of television.

The whole end credits sequence was a classic. The slow building of the bicycle in pieces with David Tomblin's theme was mesmerizing.

26 posted on 11/04/2009 12:21:14 PM PST by Publius (Conservatives aren't always right. We're just right most of the time.)
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To: Jmouse007
THE problem with “The Prisoner” is this: He NEVER escapes, he can not escape, otherwise the series is over... depressing.

Unless the series is planned for X length and nothing will convince the producer to go "just one more season". Prison Break was bad about that. Season one: work on escaping from prison. Season two: avoid capture. Season three: suck! OK, you've broken out of prison. Now what?

27 posted on 11/04/2009 12:52:28 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Any similarity between V and the Obama admin is just that of Obama and any other totalitarian regime)
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To: Jmouse007

The prisoner escaped in the last show, I know...I saw it.

He blew up the terminal and jumped on a train that busted out into the streets, and he walked away.

Great series, by the way!

Ed


28 posted on 11/04/2009 3:56:56 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: KarlInOhio

I didn’t like the fact that the main hero of Prison Break was written as having died of cancer in the series finale.

Ed


29 posted on 11/04/2009 3:57:49 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: steve-b

Why are you posting this? It would be one thing if it were thought-provoking, but it isn’t.


30 posted on 11/04/2009 5:06:20 PM PST by x
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31 posted on 11/16/2009 3:16:52 PM PST by devolve ( . "I would caution you against jumping to conclusions!" - Barack Hasan Osama Junior - mmm mmm mmm)
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To: steve-b

32 posted on 11/16/2009 11:13:54 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: steve-b
Is there a newer thread on The Prisoner? Last night's episode had shades of USA Circa 2009. They were handing out pigs to distract the prisoners from basically sinkholes to oblivion.

Every day there's another distraction. I wish BHO could stay over there in Asia where he's more at home.

33 posted on 11/17/2009 9:38:48 AM PST by floriduh voter (Marco Rubio is Florida's Man of the Year imo)
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To: Renah

I’m enjoying it. Tonight’s the third episode. It’s not for add sufferers. It moves slowly but the pace has a purpose. Even the violent scenes are in slo-mo. Seems like that’s kind of subliminal way to present violence. I’m waiting to find out why #2’s wife is in suspended animation until she gets 3 pill. I have a feeling she’s thousands of years old.


34 posted on 11/17/2009 9:41:44 AM PST by floriduh voter (Marco Rubio is Florida's Man of the Year imo)
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To: Charlemagne on the Fox

Last night they said there is no number one because they didn’t want anyone to be superior to the others. However, that was number 2’s explanation and he might be lying. I find it to be a study in collectivism and group thought. Individualism is not encouraged. Individuals become suspects. It’s very much like the current administration including DHS Janet. I don’t know why she didn’t go a guest shot on The Prisoner. She’s clearly into group think and collectivism.


35 posted on 11/17/2009 9:46:28 AM PST by floriduh voter (Marco Rubio is Florida's Man of the Year imo)
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To: x

It is thought provoking but maybe not in your opinion.


36 posted on 11/17/2009 9:49:35 AM PST by floriduh voter (Marco Rubio is Florida's Man of the Year imo)
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To: floriduh voter

I watched the first episode last night so I am one behind. As weird as it was I did like it. If there is a newer thread, I would love to know.


37 posted on 11/17/2009 2:29:24 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: steve-b

Sir Ian’s sexual politics aside, I think he might make a good Number Two. The warden of the Village, not the other. Actually, the image of Sir Ian making the other Number Two is one I’d just as soon not have rattling around in my head.


38 posted on 11/17/2009 2:32:46 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: steve-b

I live in Minnesota, am I considered a snow-billie?


39 posted on 11/17/2009 2:46:58 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: wally_bert
I didn't see a newer thread. There is www.amctv.com which probably has a blog.

By now you've seen how it ended. The way it ended, there's room for sequels.

40 posted on 11/19/2009 5:18:00 PM PST by floriduh voter (Marco Rubio is Florida's Man of the Year imo)
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To: floriduh voter

I will catch up next week, am on the road. It is appreciated.


41 posted on 11/19/2009 5:45:42 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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