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Is Mormonism Christian? by Late Richard John Neuhaus
November 24, 2009

Posted on 11/24/2009 1:46:39 PM PST by Steelfish

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To: ansel12; Buck W.
The cult thing seems to bother you a lot, tell us about it.

Ansel12is not deflecting. He's right.

Buck is obsessed with it because he pulls the same nonsense on the crevo threads.

Buck thinks that Bible believing Christians are cultists and everyone else is not, that being a Christian is a matter of belonging to a church instead of being a follower of Christ.

281 posted on 11/26/2009 8:34:03 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Buck W.; Elsie

What you don’t understand is that everyone sees you for the closet RINO, Romneybot that you are. Everyone except you, that is.....

And not really so closet.....


282 posted on 11/26/2009 8:40:10 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Buck W.; ejonesie22; Elsie
Do you see the parallel? You don't want four more years of Obama, but what if Romney is the GOP nominee? Rather than do the right thing and vote for Romney, you instead use your vote to deliver that futile, stupid third party tally.

Do the *right* thing and vote for a RINO who's no different that what we've got?! If we vote for Romney, we've (essentially) GOT four more years of obama.

So how is that better?

283 posted on 11/26/2009 8:46:22 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Grunthor

Only because of Sarah Palin. This time she won’t be saddled with RINO baggage!

Go Sarah!! RINOs be damed.


284 posted on 11/26/2009 8:46:54 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Join the TEA Party Rebellion!! God save this great Republic!!)
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To: Elsie

I interpret the wedding clothes to symbolize actually putting on the signs of a life wedded to Christ’s teachings. I think he was invited to the wedding (union with Christ) and he showed up but didn’t look or act as he should (he should have taken the action of putting on the clothes, putting on the attitude and demeanor of Christ). Because his actions were inappropriate (he should have dressed properly for a wedding) he was held to rather harsh judgment.

Of course, it also is about the Jews and the fact that they are the Chosen People, the invited guests. God sent prophets who were rejected and His own Son who was killed. The Gentiles are the people invited randomly off the street. Notice God invited the people, “BOTH GOOD AND BAD” to the wedding. The man who was not dressed properly symbolizes the pharisees, but also those today who do not do what God expects and asks of them.

I do interpret this because it was a Parable. Parables are symbolic stories used to illustrate a point. Isn’t that what Christ did all through the Gospels? And if you insist on being literal, how do you get around the time Christ said, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you” (John 6:53). “


285 posted on 11/26/2009 8:47:26 PM PST by Melian ("Here's the moral of the story: Catholic witness has a cost." ~Archbishop Charles Chaput)
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To: Buck W.

Romney can go straight to hell!!


286 posted on 11/26/2009 8:47:48 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Join the TEA Party Rebellion!! God save this great Republic!!)
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To: Grunthor
While I understand Mr. Robinsons’ sentiments vis a vis Romney, I am quite sure that several million conservatives said much the same thing of John McCain prior to the election and turned around and voted for him anyway. Some even encouraged others to do so as well.

And most held their noses doing it. They weren't voting for McCain, they were voting for Palin.

287 posted on 11/26/2009 8:48:42 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Grunthor

For many conservatives and republicans, I think that Romney may prove to be a bridge too far. Romney is more than a disappointing candidate, he really is not a viable candidate at all.

As Romney approaches his 18th year of openly campaigning for voter approval, he has one term in office to show for it and that one shot was a failure, as it ended with him having to give up his hope for reelection as he was sent out of office with a 34% approval rate, and fatally trailing in every match up with possible opponents.

His shot at governing was followed by a primary where Romney had every thing in his court, the most money, the best organization, the most rabid and cult like devoted base, and the weakest field of competitors imaginable, yet he made a poor showing. Even now Romney’s approval ratings among republicans has continued to slide for no obvious reasons and are currently at only 48%.

Romney just may turn off many conservatives and republicans so badly that they not only become apathetic and unlikely to bother to vote, he may even cause an active, anti-republicanism among many consistent GOP voters.


288 posted on 11/26/2009 8:48:45 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: metmom

“Buck thinks that Bible believing Christians are cultists...”

Not exactly—I believe that YOU are a cultist. You demonstrate it so well on the crevo threads to which you refer.

Let’s try a test: Are Catholics Christian? Yes or no.


289 posted on 11/26/2009 8:58:40 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: metmom

Tell me, cultmom, where have I thrown my support to Romney in this thread, except under the condition that he has already won the nomination? If you would not support him under that same circumstance then you are a CINO.

But we already knew that.


290 posted on 11/26/2009 9:01:10 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.

And why do you support abortionist pushing big government socialist pigs like Myth Romney?


291 posted on 11/26/2009 9:02:44 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Join the TEA Party Rebellion!! God save this great Republic!!)
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To: Nosterrex

Very well said.


292 posted on 11/26/2009 9:04:06 PM PST by reaganaut ( Ex-Mormon, Now Christian -"I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Jim Robinson

I don’t. As I have indicated elsewhere in this thread, my present inclination is toward DeMint. However, IF Romney is the nominee, staying home or voting third party will be a vote for Obama. Drama aside, the equivalence between Obama and Romney in terms of the administrations that they would form and appointment that they would make is not as conclusive as many have stated it would be.


293 posted on 11/26/2009 9:07:52 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.
Tell me, cultmom, where have I thrown my support to Romney in this thread, except under the condition that he has already won the nomination?

You answered your own question.

You're supporting him. That's enough.

He's no different than what we have now. How can you claim to be a conservative and vote for someone so liberal?

A liberal is a liberal, no matter what name he wears.

By voting for him, you're just voting for what we already have and there's no way to excuse it.

How is a liberal RINO better than obama that would justify voting for him?

294 posted on 11/26/2009 9:11:09 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Buck W.

Followers of Christian are Christians, no matter what church they happen to attend or be a member of.

That’s the whole point of calling them *Christian*.


295 posted on 11/26/2009 9:12:52 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Buck W.
Drama aside, the equivalence between Obama and Romney in terms of the administrations that they would form and appointment that they would make is not as conclusive as many have stated it would be.

You know this how?

You're sure of this?

Or are you just hoping for more change?

You're counting on an awful lot to justify your vote.

296 posted on 11/26/2009 9:15:17 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Buck W.

Well, we won’t be supporting that abortionist SOB Romney on this conservative website. In fact, if he somehow becomes the nominee we’ll be actively campaigning against him. So you might as well take your RINO loving ass somewhere else and quit insulting our Freepers!


297 posted on 11/26/2009 9:16:20 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Join the TEA Party Rebellion!! God save this great Republic!!)
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To: republicanbred; Godzilla; SENTINEL; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; Nosterrex

There are many non mormons here who know EXACTLY what the LDS believe. We’ve been there, done that (read the book, saw the movie, wore the garments).

To the LDS prophets ARE infallible. The ONLY time *I* have ever heard the “they are not infallible” argument is when past teachings conflict with current view. The LDS song “Follow the Prophet” has a line “he will not lead you astray”.

the Ward Teachers’ message for June 1945 instructed members that “when the prophet speaks the thinking has been done.”

President Brigham Young has assured us we can have complete confidence in the prophets. He said: “The Lord Almighty leads this Church, and he will never suffer you to be led astray. . .” (in Journal of Discourses, 9:289)

Regarding the “worship” of Joseph Smith. There is the LDS Hymn “praise to the man” (btw, only GOD deserves our praise). And here are numerous quotes about needing JS’s acceptance to get into the Celestial Kingdom (the only real ‘Heaven’):

If Joseph was verily a prophet . . . then his knowledge is of the most vital importance to the entire world. No man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., p. 189).

Heber C. Kimball, a member of the first Presidency under Brigham Young, said that the time would come when people would prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a God, and also upon Brigham Young, our Governor in the Territory of Deseret (Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 88).

These are from another prophet Brigham Young:

. I am an Apostle of Joseph Smith. . . . all who reject my testimony will go to hell, so sure as there is one, no matter whether it be hot or cold . . . (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 212)

. . . no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. . . . Every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are . . . I cannot go there without his consent. . . . He reigns there as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as God does in heaven (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 289).

I will now give my scripture—”Whosoever confesseth that Joseph Smith was sent of God . . . that spirit is of God; and every spirit that does not confess that God has sent Joseph Smith, and revealed the everlasting Gospel to and through him, is of Anti-christ . . . (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 176 ).


298 posted on 11/26/2009 9:21:39 PM PST by reaganaut ( Ex-Mormon, Now Christian -"I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Jim Robinson

By actively campaigning against him (IF he is the nominee, of course) you would be re-electing Obama. What conservative would prefer that?


299 posted on 11/26/2009 9:24:17 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: metmom

Again, no direct answer to the question from you.


300 posted on 11/26/2009 9:25:07 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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