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Mac sales projected to grow 26% in 2010, outpacing PC market
AppleInsider ^ | Thursday, December 3, 2009 | Neil Hughes

Posted on 12/03/2009 11:54:11 AM PST by Star Traveler

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To: D Rider
You were saying ...

And yes, I know that is not thier business model.

Well..., a real simple business theorem is that you "don't mess with success"... and Apple is very, very successful...

41 posted on 12/03/2009 6:07:37 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; 50mm; 6SJ7; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; Airwinger; Aliska; altair; ...
Mac sales projecte to grow 26% this coming year PING!


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42 posted on 12/03/2009 8:56:34 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: BenKenobi
Yes, I understand their business model. I think it’s a poor model. They would do better selling just the software.

No, they wouldn't. This has been analyzed out the kazoo many times and your conclusion is wrong. Apple's model is better.

If they were selling OEM versions of OS X at the prices that Microsoft sells OEM versions of Windows, Apple would have to sell 90 million copies every year, capturing 45% of the PC market—just to break even with the profits they are currently making selling just 10,000,000 Macs a year... not counting the profits from the iPhone and iPod sales.

43 posted on 12/03/2009 9:19:18 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: D Rider
I do know people hate being tied to a sole source supplier. Which is a big reason people hate Microsoft.

So, why do they stick with the big, sole source supplier, Microsoft???

44 posted on 12/03/2009 9:25:12 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Revel
PC’s have 92% of the market. Macs have 5%. So if these projections pan out then mac will be no higher than 7%. Not exactly as great as they make it sound.

5% is worldwide... in the US it is much higher...

45 posted on 12/03/2009 9:26:24 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Mr. Right Now

How is it not working? Isn’t profit and not market share the real goal here? They seem to be doing quite well in that department.

I don’t think a hardware company trying to sell...you know...hardware is all that strange.


46 posted on 12/03/2009 9:32:41 PM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: D Rider

And love their iPhones, wait, what was that? I think they hate products that make them want to beat their head against the wall.


47 posted on 12/03/2009 9:35:24 PM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Cicero
Apple continues to be much more expensive for what you get.

That depends on how you define "what you get."

48 posted on 12/03/2009 9:43:23 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: BenKenobi
Yes, I understand their business model. I think it’s a poor model. They would do better selling just the software.

There are a lot of people who post this, and I don't get it. In 1997, Apple's low was around $3.30 a share. Now it hovers around $200. I wish I had a poor business plan like theirs.

49 posted on 12/03/2009 9:58:54 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

I have Apple for what I don’t get. I don’t get the aggravation. Every one of these threads has people on it that claim that Mac fanbois are toooo stooooopid to understand that they could buy a Windows machine and get just as much computer for half the money. I HAD Windows machines from the runtime Windows that came with Excel 1.0 to Win2000. I still have to dick with a Windows machine at work. I KNOW WINDOWS! When it’s MY money, I get Macintosh.


50 posted on 12/03/2009 10:03:41 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Swordmaker
So, why do they stick with the big, sole source supplier, Microsoft???

I'd have to say it's three things.

Inertia

Ignorance

FUD

51 posted on 12/04/2009 6:31:09 AM PST by zeugma (Proofread a page a day: http://www.pgdp.net/)
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To: Star Traveler

I hereby name ALL Apple new articles regarding their amazing, stupendous, innovative, unstoppable, premium market growth.....

FAPPLE.

There I said it.


52 posted on 12/04/2009 6:37:51 AM PST by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: American_Centurion
You were saying ...

FAPPLE.

There I said it.

Ummmm..., I can always tell an imitation/imitator of Apple... they leave out the little "i".... LOL...

53 posted on 12/04/2009 6:42:06 AM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Mr. Right Now
Now Apple has 4% of the market. They should have 90%. But they force the customer to buy their hardware to run their software.

Markeshare doesn't necessarily equal profitability and value to the shareholders. Check out this chart of Apple vs. Microsoft since just after Jobs came back. The Apple chart includes two stock splits, the Microsoft chart one. The Microsoft stock is 34% lower, the Apple stock 600% higher.

54 posted on 12/04/2009 7:27:09 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Swordmaker
So, why do they stick with the big, sole source supplier, Microsoft???

They need compatibility with the apps. OSX is twice the OS of windows, the issue is compatibility with apps, and flexibility of platforms.

55 posted on 12/04/2009 9:05:51 AM PST by D Rider
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To: Swordmaker

“Apple would have to sell 90 million copies every year, capturing 45% of the PC market.”

Just to break even, you mean, to keep up with the profits they are making now? Profit wise they are a niche company and will always be so with this strategy. What happens if Windows 7 reverses the trend and they start to feel the pinch? As it is they are dependent on Windows releases.


56 posted on 12/04/2009 10:20:31 AM PST by BenKenobi
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To: BenKenobi
As it is they are dependent on Windows releases.

No, they are not.

57 posted on 12/04/2009 10:29:38 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: BenKenobi

OK, I’ll put on my former Silicon Valley engineer hat for a moment and ‘splain to you why, because it is the same reason why companies like cisco don’t allow you to run IOS on just any box with a conforming CPU and a bunch of ethernet interfaces:

There are two issues at work here. The first issue is one of gross and profit margins. The profit margin on software appears high (NB that word “appears”) but in fact software as a product is a relentless do-over and do-more. Because you need to have more and more software developers as your system becomes larger and carries around more legacy, you find that your assumptions (and MANY software startups make this assumption, BTW) about gross and profit margins on the software-only business go up in smoke as your headcount goes up with the system size and complexity.

Ah, but hardware... oh, that’s the gravy train man. Hardware engineers are much more productive than software engineers - the tooling, simulation and development aides for the HW guys are nothing short of marvelous. You don’t need to hire as many hardware guys these days to crank out a good hardware design - and once they’re done, their amount of “support” cost for the hardware alone is usually a very small fraction of the costs for the software side.

At outfits like cisco and Apple, hardware subsidizes the software side.

Next issue: the compatibility nightmares. When you control the WHOLE system, both hardware and software, things “just work” - because the engineering staff works together, and if the hardware guys do something that really complicates the software team’s lives, the software guys will wander over into the cube farm of hardware guys and say “Hey! WTF, huh? Gimme a break!” and the problem is fixed before the product ships.

Writing software to run on a generic off-the-shelf (OTS) hardware platform is about as much fun as hitting yourself in the head with a ball peen hammer — all you can think about is how good it’s gonna feel when you stop.

Concentrating on the total number of units shipped is a big mistake, one made over and over again in American management. It is why GM is where it is now, for example. They worried about retaining the “#1 in units shipped” position over obsessing about profits per unit sold. Look at where it got them. Same deal for newspapers, too. Given the amount of PC’s coming out of China, and the razor-thin margins that the Chinese are making, there’s no way to make a real profit competing with those guys.


58 posted on 12/04/2009 10:49:17 AM PST by NVDave
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To: Richard Kimball

*In 1997, Apple’s low was around $3.30 a share. Now it hovers around $200. *

The iPhone and the iPod are pretty much responsible for that.

Look, some people want a Rolls Royce and can afford one and some people just want a Honda. Both companies have done well for themselves at what they do but will never intrude on the others market. End of.


59 posted on 12/04/2009 2:53:50 PM PST by j-damn
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To: NVDave

It’s vertical integration. The problem is can Macboys really justify paying twice as much to get something of lesser value? I know I can’t. From an economic standpoint, Macs are the cadillacs, and we all know how the big 3 did against smaller, cheaper and more fuel efficient vehicles.

Sure it might ‘just work’, but I’d rather not have to buy a new machine when it ‘just breaks’. It’s nice to be able to add the components that I want, and not rely 100 percent upon the largess of Jobs.


60 posted on 12/04/2009 5:40:11 PM PST by BenKenobi
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