This guy thought his Pit Bull would make a good "nanny dog".
Posted on 12/05/2009 12:37:51 PM PST by Chet 99
Saturday, December 05, 2009
By SARAH RAHMAN
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER
A 70-year-old woman was critically injured yesterday morning when she was mauled by two pit bulls that had gotten loose from their Bayonne backyard, police said.
Maria Zaldana, of Jersey City, was attacked at 9:11 a.m. outside the dogs' 15 W. 34th St. home, Bayonne Police Lt. Robert Deczynski said.
Part of Zaldana's scalp was torn off, he said, and she also suffered numerous puncture wounds and had skin torn off from her right knee and calf and the left side of her face.
Zaldana was just steps from the floral shop she's worked at for 25 years when she was attacked.
According to Deczynski, the dogs are owned by Jessica Manno, who was in Florida, and were being cared for by Manno's sister, Kristy Manno.
Kristy Manno told police she had let the dogs out into the yard and went back into the house to fill their water bowls when she heard screams from the front of the home. She ran out the back door and saw that the two chain link gates were open, police said.
(Excerpt) Read more at nj.com ...
The Dingo Lady would have just shot them.
I'm hoping you meant "breed".
We all know that pit bulls are "dogs of peace" just like Islam is the "religion of peace"
All seriousness aside...this stuff seems to be happening every day now. The evidence is piling up (along with the corpses and wounds).
I know their owners are responsible for them turning bad, but how do you keep these animals out of irresponsible hands?
The same could be said of pythons kept as pets.
It's like Mason said to Dixon..."You've gotta' draw the line somewhere".
These dogs should be outlawed. Kill 'em ALL! In this case, send the stupid irresponsible sister to jail and give her house to the old lady who got mauled. Better still, put her in a cage with somebody else's pit bulls and see how friendly they are.
The dog defenders remind me of the always ever-present mamas of heartless killers who immediately jump in with "But he was such a good kind boy..."
Death by similar circumstances is my motto!
“Where was her gun?”
Not to worry, Obama’s Death Panel will have a gun - figuratively speaking. Heck, the old lady is 70. So, the panel will shoot the old lady (with morphine) and treat the dog...
Click the link and you’ll see (it is an FR thread from yesterday...)
To say the behaviour of a few defines the character of the many sounds vaguely, um, socialist.
Ban sisters.
More canine bigotry on display as usual - all dogs can be made into something dangerous no matter what the breed. I’ve owned two pit bulls over the years and they were the most intelligent, friendly and loving pets you could imagine.
Pit’s snap. You could relate that point of view to other breeds, but it doesn’t make the initial situation any less dangerous.
My 44 mag would have solve that problem
I agree...as do other breeds such as Dobermans, etc.....but a Pit's fuse seems to be shorter and more unpredictable. Their stature and tenacity... make them extremely dangerous....IMHO
Any animal can bite. The ‘moral equivalent’ with pits to other breeds never sits well with me either.
Yes. I too am getting tired of these endless breed-hatred threads... For a site which is supposed to be so “media-savvy”, there are a lot of Freepers here who seem blind to the manipulation they are being subjected to. Google how many simple “dog attacks” there are without any mention of the breed. (You may assume these are NOT attributed to “pit bulls” but were attacks by another type or breed of dog.) I am absolutely ASTONISHED that those who are so zealous of their liberties elsewhere want the government to “outlaw” certain types of animal-ownership. These are liberty-loving conservatives....?????? Or just those who want the government to tell them what to do and how to do it???? Irony indeed!!
“Let the pit lovers skew somehow this as usual.”
Nothing to skew. It’s there in the article. Human error - as usual. Why was the gate open?? Where were the owners and why leave two dogs who had a tendency to be this aggressive in a situation where this would happen?? Powerful dogs HAVE to be trained and handled properly. That applies to ANY large breed - but esp. to one which has been so exploited by cruelty and harsh treatment. If people aren’t prepared to take on the responsibility of a powerful dog, they shouldn’t take the plunge. It’s not the dog.
And it never occurs to you to ask WHY only pit bulls are named in dog attacks versus the stories where there was just a “dog attack” with no type mentioned???? It never occurs to you to WONDER if they are merely the latest whipping boy (used to be dobes, chows, and rotties)?? It never occurs to you to ask WHY the media would like to whip up public hysteria (maybe in order to get them to agree to - and even beg for - a bit more governmental control into their lives via a breed ban??? “No, they are too dangerous for the unwashed masses. You are not allowed.”) Sound familiar??? Do some research. Historically pit bulls were a favored breed - even deemed “nanny dogs”. When did it change? Or did it? Did the media just pick up on a new type of dog and substitute the same old bias it has exercised against so many others (mentioned earlier.) Powerful dogs need responsible owners. The answer isn’t killing the animal - any more than banning guns or a specific TYPE of gun - will keep people safe. Please think about it.
It ripped her scalp off.
Yes - and the questions still stand. The fact that human error was involved is not negated by the dog’s actions. Lack of responsible ownership is the problem - not the dog breed or, in this case, type (since the pit bull is not a breed per se.)
Because if I leave the gate open on a couple Labrador retrievers they would be out in the street in seconds all OVER that 70 year old lady.... sniffing her and trying to get her to pet them.
If you have a caged beast that is ready and ABLE to kill the second it gets out...... no, couldn't be the breed.
After all, it isn't like dogs have personalities to go with their intended function.... Oh wait THEY DO!
Dogs bred to fight and kill..... fight and kill. Pits were bred to fight and kill.
How much time and effort would it take to train an animal to rip off a 70+ year old lady’s scalp? The human factor goes both ways. It is irrelevant when it comes to pits. You’ve got your reasons for liking them. I have my reasons for not liking them. I don’t promote ‘killing them all’ or anything like that. Just feel safer next to a gator.
And your source for this is...Oh, wait! The MEDIA!! Of course - and we ALL know how trustworthy THEIR information is!!! How about a little scientific evidence to go with that?? No?? Hmm...why am I NOT surprised!!?? OK - I’ll help you out with a few FACTS: HISTORICALLY, pits were the “nanny dogs” - staying with children. Has their nature changed so much since then?? No evidence of it.
And here’s another FYI - rotties, chows, and dobes have ALL been subject to the same “RUN FOR YOUR LIVES. IT’S A VICIOUS ____________ (fill in the blank with the latest whipping post breed of dog.)” As for Labs, you are comparing apples with oranges since a Lab also isn’t a “guarding” type of dog... However, if we must go down this path: Have you ever seen a poodle or chow or any other breed of dog bite someone? Of course!! Which re-emphasizes my point: RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERSHIP is KEY — not killing off a politically-incorrect type of dog because the owners/parents/breeders can’t seem to handle some of them. ANY DOG needs responsible ownership. This is EVEN MORE SO when dealing with a powerful guard-type dog. It’s really not that complicated an issue.
At least you’re honest. And I appreciate the fact that, unlike some of the more hysterical posters here, you aren’t advocating completely wiping out an entire type of dog. I can and do appreciate that some aren’t comfortable around pits. I just have real issues with the “kill every pit or anything that looks like one” mentality.
Agreed, I am all for wiping out the breed entirely and hope I live to see the day when it happens.
Pits historically were bred to fight in the Pit, they were not bred to be “nanny dogs”, or even “guard dogs” (although they make good ones), they were bred to be fighting killing dogs.
All dogs can bite. Not all dogs can kill people with their bite like a Pitt Bull can.
Like comparing a paring knife with a samurai sword. One was designed to be a weapon and can kill, the other can cause superficial wounds.
Responsible dog ownership is key. That is why the sister and owner should be charged with assault with a deadly weapon and any and all other charges that a prosecutor can make stick; they were grossly irresponsible in having animals ready to kill at a moments notice within city limits, and for allowing them to get loose.
I am for charging irresponsible owners, increasing penalties for having a four legged menace running loose, and putting down dogs that bite.
http://www.breederretriever.com/dog-breed-history/93/american-staffordshire-terrier-(pit-bull).php
Born in the 19th century, The American Staffordshire Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier are the result of crosses between Bulldogs and terriers, though there is some debate as to exactly which terrier that was. Some believe that the White English Terrier or Black and Tan Terrier was used, but most experts say it was the English Smooth Terrier. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier was developed in England for the purpose of dog fighting, and was introduced to America during the late 19th century to compete in the same sport. The Americans bred a larger Pit Bull than the English, and the American Staffordshire Terrier quickly took shape as a distinct breed. Though the breed was often employed as an all purpose farm dog during the early 20th century, its legacy has always been that of a gladiator.
“My source for this is knowing dogs.” How many pits have you known well?
“All dogs can bite. Not all dogs can kill people with their bite like a Pitt Bull can.” Both statements true - which is why responsible ownership is a MUST!!
“Like comparing a paring knife with a samurai sword. One was designed to be a weapon and can kill, the other can cause superficial wounds.” But German Shepherds, Rotties, Dobes, Chows have all fallen under the same “vicious dog” mantra now saved for the Pit.
Because Pits are so desirous of pleasing their humans, they will try to please and do so to the bitter end (a trait those who abuse and mistreat them are counting on). Dog aggression against other dogs is not the same as against humans and the former does NOT necessarily translate to the latter.
We both agree on the absolute necessity of responsible dog ownership. The problem I have is with those posters who advocate mass killing of everything Pit or even resembling a Pit because it MIGHT one day act with aggression towards a human. I also see a huge inconsistency with those who post all over this board about how much they value freedom and liberty and hate government intrusiveness in their lives while in the same breath saying a certain type of dog should be outlawed (by that same government they claim to despise) and no one allowed to own one. Unbelievable contradiction.
See my above post - and, thanks, I have more than half a brain. The fact that they were used in fighting does not negate the history they have had of being left with children and being beloved pets for at least 2 centuries. It would behoove anyone advocating their total annihilation to ask some pertinent questions regarding why the extreme media coverage only in the last 10-20 years given this dog’s long history of living in close proximity with humans. Where was their alleged “viciousness” when Chows, Dobes, Rotties, and yes even the beloved German Shepherd were taking the heat?? Agenda anyone?? Why did all of those breeds suddenly become acceptable and perfectly harmless while the Pit, who was equally beloved for many many decades at the least, was suddenly deemed Satan incarnate??
Yes, and many dogs bites CAN kill, but the combination of LIKELYNESS to bite, and ABILITY to kill is a potent one. Pit Bulls are bred to fight and kill, thus they are more likely to bite, and more likely to inflict severe damage when they bite, and less likely to stop before killing.
I agree that no small government conservative should be for a government ban on a dog breed, or their mass euthanasia.
But as a person who emphasizes RESPONSIBLE dog ownership, I think SEVERE criminal and civil liabilities should be brought to bear upon scum who raise these dogs such that the second they are free they are out looking to kill, and then “oopsie” let them loose.
And again, Pit Bulls were bred to be fighting and killing dogs, not nanny dogs.
” I agree that no small government conservative should be for a government ban on a dog breed, or their mass euthanasia.
But as a person who emphasizes RESPONSIBLE dog ownership, I think SEVERE criminal and civil liabilities should be brought to bear upon scum who raise these dogs such that the second they are free they are out looking to kill, and then “oopsie” let them loose.”
On this we are in complete agreement.
This guy thought his Pit Bull would make a good "nanny dog".
Anecdotal evidence does not a type of dog make. You have admitted you have owned several sweet dogs (I presume you did not have them killed?) I doubt seriously that those dogs owned in the past 100 years - prior to the “run for your life it’s a pit” mentality egged on by the actions of a few and fueled by an over the top media - and much-loved by their families were “dangerous” to their families. The question remains: what has changed? The media coverage, maybe?? I think so, given their history of swapping out pits for dobes, chows, and any other breed. Same song, second verse.
“Pit Bulls are naturally killers, I’m sorry to say, that is the plain truth.”
There is no truth in your statement, sorry. You have been manipulated by the ongoing media assault on a particular type of dog.
Just to add a little objectivity. Here are the stories the objective media doesn’t care to report:
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Articles/HeroicPitties/HeroicPitties.htm
Just to add a bit of objectivity to the discussion:
http://dogsinthenews.com/stories/070301a.php
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Articles/HeroicPitties/HeroicPitties.htm
http://dogsinthenews.com/issues/0104/articles/010426a.htm
http://www.zootoo.com/petnews/straydogsaveswomanchildheldatk-993
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2008/08/pit-bull-saves.html
http://network.bestfriends.org/1892/news.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMeKGeu81fw
And there are more where those came from.
I KNEW several sweet slobbery Pitbulls; knowing the breed as I do I would NEVER own one. The ones I killed were running loose and harassing me on my driveway; harass me = clear and present danger to my mom and sisters = dead dog.
Pitbulls have a history of attacking and killing not just strangers; but members of their own family. Witness the little girl above. They are a highly “game” dog that strives for dominance, and sometimes thinks it needs to enforce or establish this dominance via the bite.
And Chows ARE notoriously vicious as well. I would never have a Chow as a “nanny dog” either.
The fact that there are other types of vicious dogs doesn't mean that Pittbulls are not vicious.
I didn't need media coverage to let me know that Pittbulls are vicious killers; all I needed was to grow up in my hometown where the things ran amok, attacked livestock, attacked people; and often as not ended up SSS.
A bit of balance is necessary in the coverage. I think there is FAR TOO MUCH hot-headed emotional bias going on against this type of dog in particular. You don’t want to own one - fine. No one is forcing you. As for the “nanny” comment, you are arguing a historical fact. I have said REPEATEDLY on this and other threads that responsible ownership is what is needed rather than an emotional backlash against a specific breed or type of dog. I would not personally leave a child unsupervised with ANY domesticated animal (cat or dog). Children have a way of making sudden movements which can startle the animal which will then act defensively with teeth or claws. This is simple common sense and is even more important when dealing with a powerful dog. HISTORICALLY, however, people HAVE used Pits and other types as nanny dogs. You may disagree with their having done so, but it doesn’t make it less so - and most have done so without incident. If you choose to go ahead and argue a historical fact, be my guest. Good luck with that.
The “Pit bulls are naturally vicious” mantra does not make it so - despite the endless repetitions by many here and the total denial of studies suggesting the contrary.
It is the breed.
Not many breeds would be capable of such an attack. Not many breeds have the temperament of a fighter and killer.
Dogs personalities reflect the purpose for which they were bred. Pitbulls were bred to fight and to kill.
There are few breeds with the fearsome combo of being capable of a deadly attack and prone to the temperament to carry out such an attack, and being so well loved by low brow low class morons.
http://www.nj.com/bayonne/index.ssf/2009/12/animal_shelter_manager_70-year.html
Who told you that and why did you believe them?
If you are too old to run and too weak to fight you should be armed 24/7. In the shower, at the dinner table, definitely when out in public.
That's why Granny always wore a frilly apron. The front pocket was large and generous enough for a snubbie, which was ready at hand whenever she needed it.
Best regards,
lololol I wish I had a granny like that
Best regards,
I truly hope your intention is not to insult those who love the breed. If so, shame on you. You should know better. I am neither a low brow, nor am I low class or stupid. You, however, are showing neither good sense nor class when you insult others because they do not share your hatred of an entire type of dog. That is the type of ad hominem attack worthy of liberals. You really should know better. Your comment about the type of owner this particular dog had proves the point. It’s the OWNER.
It’s not the breed. We’re done. Please don’t respond unless you can do so respectfully and without hurling derogatory comments.
Someone is abusing the banglist keyword. Please remove this from the list. Thank you.
It is most certainly typical of a breed bred to fight and kill, that they have the ability and PROPENSITY to .... gee, I don't know..... FIGHT AND KILL.
Labradors like to fetch. Boxers like to tackle. Australian Shepherds like to herd. PitBuls like to fight and kill. It really isn't any more difficult than that. A dog bred to a purpose generally enjoys that purpose, is built for that purpose, and has great ability in accomplishing that purpose.
The purpose a PitBull was bred for was to fight and kill.
Thus when those two dogs were loose for a minute, the very first thing they did was run out looking for something to fight and kill. They ran into a 70 year old woman; who according to the low brow, low class, morons who owned the dogs.... provoked them.
Please stop the personal attacks
Please stop the personal attacks.
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