MY PROBLEM WITH "JIHOBBYIST"

SNIPPET: "Let me preface this by saying that I approve of Jarret's method and objective, as he continues to successfully bait members of the English-language as-Ansar forum. In fact his efforts resemble the relationship I had with Irhabi007 & Co. from 2004 to roughly 2007.

The problem is that the term jihobbyist conveys the notion that these guys are not serious, that they do not constitute a threat. In fact what these guys are doing is marking time while waiting for the opportunities and associations to appear that will allow them to become real jihadis. My own period of baiting jihadis came to an end because I ran out of jihadis to bait - they were all in jail."

Previously...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2393224/posts

Quote:

http://jarretbrachman.net/?cat=5
http://jarretbrachman.net/?cat=4
http://jarretbrachman.net/?cat=3

blog:

http://jarretbrachman.net/?p=189

“Making Jihobbyists our New Secret Weapon in Combating Jihobbyism”

SNIPPET: “If there’s one thing I’ve learned about jihadis in my career it’s this: they are our secret weapon in the fight against jihadis. Think about it: who knows al-Qaida better than…al-Qaida. And what’s more, they are more than happy to point us in the directions of their weaknesses. All we’ve needed to to do is ask.”

SNIPPET: “The fact is that we have more to gain by taking the jihadi ideology and its promulgators on directly than we do sitting on our hands, letting them run the discursive show. Unfortunately, this is a strategy that, as a nation, we have been reticent to execute. It’s not that we don’t have our own pitbulls. It’s just bureacracies tend to keep them muzzled and tightly leashed for sake of not rocking the boat. Ironically, it is precisely that boat rocking that exposes their vulnerabilities and knocks them on the defensive.”

This entry was posted on Saturday, December 5th, 2009 at 3:42 am

blog:

http://jarretbrachman.net/?p=200

“The Pros and Cons with “Jihobbyism””

SNIPPET: “SOFIR has a new post that I highly encourage my readers to check out. In it, Aaron takes on my concept of “jihobbyism,” correctly diagnosing one of its biggest flaws. Before I respond, I want to thank him for helping to advance this discussion. Aaron’s been at this a lot longer than me (or most anyone for that matter) and brings a great deal of wisdom to the table. I take his comments seriously and welcome them any time. It’s only in this kind of back-and-forth (the dialectic), that our community will make any headway on these complicated topics.

The money quote from SOFIR:
The problem is that the term jihobbyist conveys the notion that these guys are not serious, that they do not constitute a threat. In fact what these guys are doing is marking time while waiting for the opportunities and associations to appear that will allow them to become real jihadis.

I’ll actually see that criticism of “Jihobbyism” and raise it. First, I entirely agree with Aaron’s point that the concept runs the risk of making homicidal maniacs seem less maniacal. In some ways, that may be useful. In other ways, it’s entirely counterproductive.”

ICSR.INFO - FREE RADICALS - blog:

http://www.icsr.info/blog/Jihobbyism-Whats-In-A-Name

“Jihobbyism: What’s In A Name?”
by Tim Stevens
(December 8, 2009)

SNIPPET: “I’ve used the term jihobbyist myself, although I’m more of a fan of pyjamahideen I stole that from Bruce Sterling in another context, and I think it retains the insurgent flavour of which these individuals are so proud.

Neither term is flattering and both do indeed risk the label masking the reality. For some elements of the e-jihad crowd they may be applicable but -— as Jarret and Aaron would both agree — these terms are only shorthand, rather than a typology that should be followed without critique.”

http://www.sofir.org/sarchives/006307.php

08 December 2009

“RESPONSA: THE PROS AND CONS WITH ‘JIHOBBYISM’”

SNIPPET: “The Internet provides many opportunities for people to participate in the jihad in a meaningful way. Online jihadi activism is enabling, it is a chance for the aspiring jihadi to actually do something and see how it feels. No matter how illegal that online activism might be, he will at least think he has gotten away with something - because the wheels of justice turn slowly even on a good day. So while we are belittling them, they are getting stronger.”

http://jarretbrachman.net/?cat=3

Blog:

http://jarretbrachman.net/?p=204

“All Bathwater and No Baby…”
Aaron responds: http://www.sofir.org/sarchives/006307.php

This entry was posted on Tuesday, December 8th, 2009 at 8:19 am

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Comment - quote:

Cindy says:
December 9, 2009 at 3:17 am

Dr. Brachman,

Jihadis, jihadi supporters, jihadi enablers, jihadi financiers, jihadi propagandists, jihadi media outlets — the global jihad define themselves.

We don’t have to pick a name for them — they are what they are.

Frankly speaking, we have to deal with them; not their names, nor the names we give them.

Cindy

http://jarretbrachman.net/?p=223

““On Practicing What We Preach,” By Ansarnet Posters”

SNIPPET: “Ansarnet’s finest seem to know better (see below), but just can’t manage to follow their own advice. Take note of the internal struggle going on about how to prioritize their energy.”

SNIPPET: “Enjoy a peek inside the debate:

Abu Umar:

As-Salaamu Aleikum

He is just trying to get a rise out of you brothers and sisters, I wouldn’t pay him any mind. He seems very pleased with his ‘hilarious’ commentary, which consists entirely of making fun of people who don’t speak English as a first language, and calling people ‘Orcs’ (which I guess is some kind of half-hearted attempt to dehumanize the mujahideen and their supporters).

These internet ‘counter-terrorism experts’ are the worst kind of idiots. They seemingly think themselves important because they ‘analyze’ ‘exclusive’ (meaning free and widely available) materials, in order to write inane and boring articles that only fellow internet ‘experts’ will care about.

AbuKhalid:

Salam Alakium,

I fully agree with Abu Umar. We should just ignore such people as we have much more important things to worry about. Allah will reward Brachman with exactly what he deserves.

Abu Khalid (note the space)

As-Salaamu Aleikum,

Brothers…we should avoid this Kuffar pig. Brother Abu Umar is right on, every time a brother comments on him or posts message to him, he updates his blog. You are helping this man earn a paycheck for his “analysis”.

newsman:

I support view of abu khalid, and Abu Umar

We should not really be bothered about a blogger but be worried about fox news, cnn, bbc news, geo tv. He is not even a fish that is often worth frying. Rather he is speck of dust in the internet world trying to get his kicks by seeking attention and claiming some sort of self-importance… I visited his site once and thought…

“yes jihobbyist are taking over the world from their bedrooms and and responsible for 9/11 etc” (such a big contradiction that it is really not worth even revisiting his blog)

brother you seem to have video editing skills thus I would ask you to focus your skills on defaming major “news” channel propoganda rather then getting involved in a tit for tat with an individual that will exhaust your effort uselessly”

(December 9th, 2009)

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