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Concealed carry couldn't have saved lives at Virginia Tech (A poorly argued article)
Rocky Mountain Collegian ^ | 12/7/2009 | John O. Woods

Posted on 12/07/2009 10:55:55 AM PST by greatdefender

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Video of Woods in CNN with the President of Student of Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fwUxBD0d7A

NOTE: Woods makes some very poorly arguments in this interview

1 posted on 12/07/2009 10:55:55 AM PST by greatdefender
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To: greatdefender

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fwUxBD0d7A


2 posted on 12/07/2009 10:56:22 AM PST by greatdefender (If You Want Peace.....Prepare For War)
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I bet the kids hiding under their desks would have loved to have a choice.


3 posted on 12/07/2009 10:58:37 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: greatdefender

That exercising an option may not have helped some people does not justify denying that option to all others.


4 posted on 12/07/2009 11:01:20 AM PST by ctdonath2 (It from fit.)
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Guns will not deter suicidal mass shooters.

This is why we see so many mass murders in police stations. (/s)

5 posted on 12/07/2009 11:02:49 AM PST by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the People's Republic of Boulder)
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To: greatdefender

Written from the land of Polly & Anna. At the very least if any of the two professors who were killed had handguns this incident would have been stopped cold. Both of them were retired Army Officers (one Israeli) and proficient with weapons. They were trained to react in a crisis and succeed.


6 posted on 12/07/2009 11:04:09 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: greatdefender

When the coming war finally arrives I do NOT want this little boy on my side.


7 posted on 12/07/2009 11:05:38 AM PST by AtlasThugged316 (Who is Edmund Ruffin?)
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To: greatdefender
The shooter at Fort Hood was licensed to carry a concealed weapon, as were four other mass shooters in the last year.

I've not read about the Ft. Hood murderer being licensed for concealed carry. The military doesn't license people to carry concealed. Poor argument.

8 posted on 12/07/2009 11:06:35 AM PST by NRA1995 (Obama, when you lie, we're going to call you out)
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“According to the detectives, Maxine — the girl I mentioned, who died in German class — never saw the shooter come in. What good would a gun have done her?”

how do they know that “she didn’t see him come in”?


9 posted on 12/07/2009 11:09:42 AM PST by Celerity
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This was written by a person in college (Junior or Senior)? YIKES!


10 posted on 12/07/2009 11:09:46 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: NRA1995

I am also pretty sure he carried his weapons in the open before he every got into the hall.


11 posted on 12/07/2009 11:24:20 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: greatdefender; marktwain; Joe Brower

12 posted on 12/07/2009 11:33:47 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: greatdefender

“They enter expecting to die.”

Well, let’s help them meet their expectations, then....


13 posted on 12/07/2009 11:34:20 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Merry Christmas, FReepers!!!)
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The questions:

1) This guy prefers a law that ensures a law abiding and responsible demographic not be allowed access to the best tools to stop a rampaging mental case like the VT killer. I can’t understand the philosophy that it is better to sit and await death than it is to actively try to stop murders.

2) It infuriates me that no one cares that we protect our money with the force of a gun, but get their panties in a wad when we suggest that we guard our children the same way.

3) The fact that the police would have shot anyone with a gun is moot. The police weren’t there until late in the situation, and in the end, didn’t even kill the one guy on campus who had a gun. If I have to choose between being shot now by a rampaging loony, or perhaps being shot later by police who are mistaken, I’ll take the latter.

4) The two deaths that he cites might never have happened had someone been able to stop the killer through armed force at the outset.

5) Hasan, whether or not he had a permit to carry, is irrelevant. He did not have permission to carry where the shooting took place, so how would a carry permit be a contributing factor? On the other hand, what if just one of the people who was killed that day had the means to fight back?

6) Go back and look the previous VA school shooting. Much different ending due to armed response. None of this guy’s paranoid ravings came to pass here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting

This entire article is based on feel-goodism and fantasy. This guy should know better.


14 posted on 12/07/2009 11:37:22 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: greatdefender

In most states, there is no way to determine what percentage of violent crimes are committed by concealed carry permit holders.

Whiskey Tango Fox?

Colonel, USAFR
Judge
Prosecutor
CHL holder


15 posted on 12/07/2009 11:38:47 AM PST by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: DarthVader

Written from the land of Polly & Anna.

Yes, unfortunately, my alma mater is still firmly stuck in the “stick it to the Man/flower-power/dude where’d ya get the dope” dimension.

Colonel, USAFR
Texas Longhorn
Not-A-Dime Alumnus


16 posted on 12/07/2009 11:42:05 AM PST by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: driftdiver
This writer, doesn't consider the deterrence of concealed carry, which is the point of "concealed" as opposed to open carry.

When concealed carry was first instituted in Florida, overall crime went down, but people in rent a cars leaving airports were targeted, (people do not have guns coming off planes.) Florida then passed a law that rentacars could have no distinguishing stickers...etc that identified them as rentacars, which stopped the carnage.

"Concealed" is the trick more than how many people actually carry.

17 posted on 12/07/2009 11:44:43 AM PST by D Rider
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I had a talk with a bunch of college kids after this incident. That is the time to go absolute ape sh!% emasse without regard to individual survival. That is hero time - not hiding under the desk and getting in line to be shot time.


18 posted on 12/07/2009 12:06:12 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: greatdefender
Stupid article.

Look at the Ft. Hood attack. You had trained soldiers running for their lives because they were unarmed.

Yet when they were oversees fighting for their country, they were armed and would continually go towards danger.

If you unarm otherwise brave men, their first instinct is to run away and hide in the face of gunfire.

Bottom line, you cannot assume what the students would have done had they been armed.

19 posted on 12/07/2009 12:12:49 PM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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With a legal STATE CCW permit I’d carry anyway. Deal with the consequences on campus later. Carry guns are now so sleek a pocket carry is not noticable .


20 posted on 12/07/2009 12:16:10 PM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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