Skip to comments.Most available hand gun ammunition during "civil unrest". (Vanity)
Posted on 01/09/2010 1:39:54 PM PST by GaltTrader
We are doing our annual review of emergency preparedness supplies and procedures. One possible situation is closure of commercial ammunition sources during a civil unrest situation.
We would appreciate opinions on the most likely and second most likely available hand gun ammo in such a situation.
9mm and 22 rimfire.
Shotgun shells and .22 everybody who hunts has em.
Yep ... many is the time I’ve gandered about 50 yards away and thought “if I could just throw some fire over there”.
agreed plus you can get 500 rounds of 22 ammo for less than $20
Who is “we”?
While 9mm and .22 long rifle will be the “most plentiful”, reliance upon securing your resources from a rapidly dwindling supply would be folly.
Lay in several bricks of .22 long rifle and many 50 rd. boxes of 9mm. Of course this assumes you have the firearms to digest such loads.
But remember one thing, as has been said before, a pistol is only for shooting your way to your rifle.
And in a "SHTF" situation, there will be plenty of both laying all over the ground.
Any needed ammo should be in your CLOSET, not sitting on a store shelf! Don’t think for a moment that Hussein’s stormtroopers won’t demand that stores of all kind stop the sale of ammunition. In fact, don’t be surprised when trucks roll from FFL holder to FFL, cleaning out their inventories. We no longer live in a free country and if you are not heavily armed with several thousand rounds of ammo for every caliber weapon you own, you’d better get it done.
9mm, 38 special and .22 long rifle.
ping to 4
When the shelves are bare of 9mm, .45 and .38/.357 there is always .40 sitting alone on the shelf.
I have long and short weapons in the same chambering, learned that from the cowboys!!!
I have stockpiled what i need. does not matter as much what will be available when SHTF. I even have some caliber in my closet I don’t have a gun for just to barter.
Dream on. Buying 40S&W was hell this year - 2009. I’ve still got a backorder from 4 months ago I’m waiting to be filled.
AND, if you have an accurate rifle you can have an effective range of about 130 yards. With the right rifling and the correct bullet weight(about 60 grains)you can extend that out even further. .22s are highly underrated.
Nice landscaping tool!
Yes, I agree with commonality of some firearms.
A Beretta PX-4 Storm w/ a CX-4 Storm Carbine.
Both also accept the same magazines.
That man shot bugs off a leaf without harming the leaf... with a slingshot! This video is so worth the watch..amazing!
It depends on where you are. If your commercial sources are shut down, The only place you’ll get anything really (without breaking into closed stores i assume?) is if you know someone who reloads. otherwise, all you’re gonna have is whats in your closet.
Otherwise, while 9mm, .40S&W and .38spcl are all popular, you cant find them where I am. Only thing on the shelves Is pretty much shotgun shells, .22lr and 7mm. So, the best option is .22lr, although its a rimfire round and Isn’t going to be very effective besides slight deterrence and maybe hunting squirrels.
I’ve noticed the same thing - Dicks and Walmart locally are usually out of 9mm, .45 & 357 mag but nearly always have .40 S&W.
If you wait till you need it, its too late.
There is great wisdom in carrying pistol caliber carbines/rifles that will digest your handgun ammo.
One that I personally like is the Marlin Model 1894 in .44 magnum. A Ruger Alaskan .44 backs it up quite nicely.
Most of the cops will be carrying 9mm.
A pistol is actually most useful for dispatching the wounded after the fighting dies down....
The weapons doing the most killing will be shotguns and .30 caliber rifles.
Check with your local law enforcement about what ammunition they use. If, in the unfortunate situation, you have to shoot someone the perp can’t say you were using some “super duper survivalist dum-dum cop killer” bullet and will provide a bit of defense from an innevitable lawsuit. Otherwise in a total breakdown of law and order you will have to use what you practice with. There is a saying in my IPSC club “you can’t miss fast enough”. If you’re shooting something you’re not use to shooting and miss everything you aim at, it doesn’t matter what you use.
The most available ammo is the ammo that is purchased BEFORE any unrest. I’m not sure exactly what “unrest” is, but should it happen, the most available is what’s already in the magazine.
George Carlin: “I’d sure like to set those people on fire over there.”
If it comes to “dispatching the wounded”, I’m not wasting ammo.
Not for indoor use!
I have some really ugly wallpaper in the laundry room that just WON'T peel off.
Bet I could remove it with one of those!
You know I meant for normal people not you.
I researched this matter longand hard waaaay before the elections in 2008..
From the “Guns in America 1994” survey:
“The NSPOF-based estimate for the total number of
privately owned firearms is 192 million: 65 million
handguns, 70 million rifles, 49 million shotguns,
and 8 million other long guns (exhibit 4). Of the
handguns, 48 percent were revolvers, 40 percent
semiautomatics, and 12 percent were reported as
“some other type of handgun” by respondents.”
“...68 percent of handgun owners also owned at least one rifle or shotgun...”
I started building my cache...I mean “collection” before the “ammo rush of 2009” kicked in...I wrote down different possible SHTF scenario(s) and analyzed those taking into consideration my family composition (wife, teenagers), residence (suburban, siding construction, open corner, easy access to main arteries and hwys), etc...Then I researched about the most common PISTOL round used by LEA in the USA (9MM), Federal LEA’s (.40). NATO countries use the 9MM ball round (international war rules). Then I thought about what is the best selling battle rifle in the USA (AR-15)/the US military standard round (5.56/.223 Remington). Then I factored in that there are 70-100 million of AK-47 rifles in the world using the 7.62x39mm round. Yet, I felt that I could not ignore the fact that many hunters in North America (as well as snipers) prefer the .308 Winchester/7.62x51mm round, and that Ruger has sold ZILLIONS of 10/22’s. Let us no forget the trusty .38 Special revolver, easy to conceal, and great for backup weapon and females due to low recoil.
Last but not least, the most common home defense weapon in America (I just made that up!) is the .12 GA pump-action shotgun... (which almost all LEA agencies have (I also made that up!! LOL)...
Bottom line for me was to:
1. Be able to hole up inside my property, defend my neighborhood (with extra ammo and weapons to lend to TRUSTED neighbors), to be able to “procure” ammo should I ran out (doubt it...;>), being able to find replacement magazines, ammo, spare parts, etc ANYWHERE in the USA should I have to bug-out, well...you get my drift.
Sooooooo, after watching “Red Dawn” and “Jericho” many times over...I decided to concentrate on the following “delivery platforms”:
AR-15 + 5.56mm/.223 rds - for neighborhood defense/medium range/
AK-47 + 7.62 rds - for swarms of zombies, in case we get invaded by Cubans or the UN....
10/22 + .22 cal rds - for my teenagers, for assassinations, etc, squirrels, birds, rabbit stew...
9MM semi-auto + 9mm rds - CQB/home defense
.38 Spl 6-shooter + .38Spl rds. - back up, wife / safe-room
.12GA - CQB/safe room/bed room defense.
Of course, lest you forget, just like your car cannot run without gas (or vegetable oil, if you have a modified diesel >)), you need BEACOUP ammo AND magazines to feed your machine...comprende???
.40S&W (most local police agencies, plus darn near ALL the Feds use it)
Honorable mentions to .38 Special and .45 because some police agencies and such still use it.
I’m more partial towards the .308, a legitimate hunting round that won’t raise too many eyebrows even if you are using an M1A for hunting.
I toyed with the idea of a derringer in .45-70, than thought firearms that cause pain to the fire-ee are counter productive.
As it says on the box “ Range one mile, be careful/ (22LR)
9 mm HP was scarce for a while
NATO 7.62 x 51mm round is same as .308 Winchester. Although it may not be available at local Walmart or Carter Country in a crisis, they can be found lying on the ground next to any former U.N. forces.
I am one of the last persons to get to fire a flame thrower during AIT training at Fort Polk in 1974.
That thing has more recoil than you would believe. Like trying to hold onto a big water hose. But it was very fun.
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