Battle of Guilford Courthouse gets its due

News Record (Greensboro, NC) ^ | January 10, 2010 | Eddie Huffman

[wagglebee]

I thought “The Patriot” was decent, but certainly not great. It is odd that there has never been a truly great movie made about the Revolution.

[gusopol3]

We hit Camden, Lookout Mt. and Cowpens in one rushed afternoon last summer along the North-South Carolina border , Camden’s undeveloped but there is a marker where DeKalb made his stand. Looked for the Waxhaws where young Andy Jackson had his encounter with the British, didn’t come up with much. The Tennessee State Museum in Nashville gives a good presentation of the OverMountain Boys, compared to the visitors’ center at Lookout Mountain, which gets a little involved with ecology. If the dioramas they have there are accurate regarding the size of the trees they think were on Lookout Mt. at the time, it’s worth getting excited about though. John Bartram was impressed on his journey down that way, anyway.

[PzLdr]

The battle in “The Patriot” was an amalgam of Guilford Court House AND Cowpens [Hannah’s Cowpens, actually].

[PzLdr]

Hey. Ferguson had bad karma. Invents a nifty rifle, which the Brits don’t mass produce. Passes on sniping an American officer accross the lines, and Washington goes on to win the war, and eventually become our first President. Gets caught on King’s Mountain in a bad defensive position, and oh, well....

[PzLdr]

“Drums Along the Mohawk”?

[dominic flandry]

Maybe not a truly great movie but I thought Northwest Passage with Spencer Tracy was good as well as the recent The Crossing with Jeff Daniels as George Washington.

[Pharmboy]

Yep...a good summary.

[Pharmboy]

Yep...aware of that. Thanks.

[wagglebee]

You’re right, “Drums along the Mohawk” is a great movie.

[Pharmboy]

Thanks for that info. I will eventually put it to good use...

[PeteB570]

Make it Memorial Day Weekend. Saturday is the best day.

They have a Military Through the Ages Program.

[gusopol3]

Buchanan takes strong issue with most of the Ferguson legend, including the uniqueness of his brech loader, and the encounter with “Washington” at Brandywine, offering the alernative hypothesis it was Pulaskie.

[RegulatorCountry]

Genealogy is often an entree into becoming a Revolutionary War buff. For southerners, much history was lost or forgotten during that pit of poverty and ignorance that ensued as a result of the so-called Civil War, and lasted nearly a century. So, it’s necessary to rediscover what was known and honored before that conflict. Many of mine went into the Civil War for the Confederacy, believing they were fighting Hessians, just as their grandfathers had fought.

Nearly every old original settler family in my area has an ancestor who fought at Guilford Courthouse, whether they’ve rediscovered it yet or not. All the Tories were routed and left the area, their properties seized and sold off. My direct paternal 4G was there at Guilford Courthouse, in Colonel Paisley’s Regiment. He was a dragoon, but had been injured on the instep by a roughshod horse, and was guarding horses at the rear. He was involved in several clashes with Tarleton’s forces elsewhere as well. Very colorful descriptions in the recounting for his pension application.

Revolutionary War pension applications are indeed a rich source for a perspective upon the conflict that you just don’t find anywhere else. It’s personal, seen from one man’s eyes, who was rarely all that influential or noteworthy, but an eyewitness nonetheless, with little reason to fabricate or provide an inaccurate representation. Piece these together, across multiple third, fourth and fifth great grandfathers (I have seven proved with five other likelies), and you get a very intriguing, very personal tale.

It appears that this author has done just that, and I applaud the effort. I live just ten miles north of Guilford Courthouse, and drive past it frequently. The public park surrounding it has wide, paved walking paths and trails that are very popular with the locals. Some areas of the park have that “feel” that you get from certain Civil War battlefields. I’ve often wanted to get my hands on an accurate map of the battle, to see just what occurred where.

[Pharmboy]

Thanks for you excellent and informative post; and thanks to your ancestors for the sacrifices they made to help found this great country.

Indeed, those pension applications have been an invaluable source of information; and a good place to start looking for a good battle map of Guilford Courthouse might be be here if you ever get up north.

[Kartographer]

“The Patriot” was far from perfect, but it was good that it was there at all (how many RevWar ONLY movies have there ever been? And yes, I’m an OLD movie buff.). It was also good generally. Also nice that they diverted from the usual myth, that it was a war of New Englanders IN New England."

Yes "The Patriot" was far than prefect and took a good number of liberties with the facts, but as mention when you consider the garbage that comes out of Hollywood now days its a wonder it was made at ALL! As far as British Officers being shown as being 'draconian' all one needs to do its look at the British record of treatment of captured American soldiers and seamen even up to the War of 1812 which is grim at best. Most wound and or capture American soldiers never made it to prison and those that did mostly ended up wishing they had not especial those held in the 'hell hole prison ships' the British use. I will also add that the British Officers very much believed in the spoils of war as their pay wasn't near what they required to live at the social level that they were use to and if they wanted to eat when they retired they needed to rob and pillage as much as possible as their pensions were little to nothing for most. In general most all British Officers had little to no regard of anyone in the American Army and even less care and regard toward the civilian population. Lastly I still can't not watch Mel Gibson rallying the troops and his charge bearing the colors without tears coming to my eyes. I remember in the theater felling like I should be standing a cheering.


I wonder if that's not what we need now is someone to grab the flag and charge Washington. Many a day I feel like doing it myself, its needed, but if I did I can't help but wonder when I look back how many would be following?

[RegulatorCountry]

Thanks for the link, that may prove very useful.

Here’s as complete of an online repository of Revolutionary War pension applications as I am aware, for those who fought in the southern campaigns:

http://southerncampaign.org/pen/index.htm#t

For those searching who do not find their ancestor, they are very eager to add to their database. If you have proved your ancestor’s participation and have a transcribed pension application, they want to include it and will do so, even if it appears elsewhere. Their goal is to have every one of them in one place.

[Freedom'sWorthIt]

OH didn’t know there was a Rev War / Washington ping list. Please add me to it. Thanks for this thread also.

[Freedom'sWorthIt]

I have an ancestor who was an officer in the Revolutionary War - from Virginia. (I am not much into geneology and don’t know all the details but some).

My mother belonged to an organization called “DAR” - Daughters of the American Revolution - because of this ancestor.

She never talked to me any about this group and I don’t even know if it’s still in existence. (She died 30 years ago).

But what got me really interested in the Revolutionary War era was when I first read a biography of George Washington - which I did - AFTER reading the wonderful 2 books by David Manuel and Peter Marshall (son of famous Presbyterian Preacher named Peter Marshall who was chaplain of the US Senate during WWII and the subject of the powerful movie called “A Man Called Peter”....Anyway those books were “The Light and the Glory” and “From Sea to Shining Sea.”

Those books FIRST opened my eyes to the LIES that had been fed me in my schooling about the founding of this country, especially about Washington, and about the Revolutionary War.

That led to me reading “Washington: The Indispensable Man” by Thomas Flexner and then “Washington” by Douglas Southall Freeman.

(Washington is my most admired American of all time).

Then, one of the networks aired a mini-series on Washington which was actually pretty well done (and can be purchased now) - this was in 1976 to celebrate the Bicentennial of our nation’s founding.

That led to me reading several of the excellent books out there on the history of the Revolutionary War.

Most Americans - especially the young - are so ignorant of the truth about Washington and our founding and the Revolutionary War (War for Independence) - that it is infuriating!

I am very grateful that the Homeschool movement and the Christian school movement has helped educate many more young people than would ever have gotten this vital information had they remained in the public propaganda institutions that brainwash most of our young.

Anyway - I’ve been to the Guilford Courthouse battlefield site and it was very moving to be there - as it was to be at the Yorktown battlefield site.

[Dr. Scarpetta]

Thank you. Very interesting...

[Tallguy]

Hmmm. I knew that The Patriot was based on the Battle of Cowpens, but I didn't know that it also referenced Guilford Courthouse. I've got some reading to do...