Skip to comments.Michigan weapons company Trijicon takes flak for rifle scopes with Bible verse
Posted on 01/19/2010 5:25:10 AM PST by JoeProBono
A Michigan weapons company is under fire for branding thousands of rifle scopes used by U.S. soldiers and Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan with passages from the Bible.
U.S. military rules prohibit any service member from proselytizing while serving in Iraq or Afghanistan, which are primarily Muslim nations.
Trijicon, a sighting manufacturer based in Wixom, Mich., has several multimillion-dollar contracts with the Pentagon to make sights.
Along with the sight's stock number, there are coded Bible passages from the New Testament engraved on the sights. One reads JN8:12, an apparent reference to John 8:12, which says, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
Trijicon did not return calls for comment yesterday but confirmed the engravings to ABCNews.com. And the company's mission statement is steeped in religion, saying it strives to follow morals "based on Biblical standards."
Mikey Weinstein, founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, said the sights endanger troops. "This plays right into the hands of maniacs who say, 'Look, it's a jihad,'" he said, adding that he's received several complaints from soldiers and Marines.
U.S. military officials told ABCNews.com they were "unaware" of the biblical markings.
Trijicon ACOG 3x30 TA33 Scope
Leviticus 19:15 would be a good inscription.
Already posted somewhere. Mikey has a SERIOUS need to get a life.
My buddy was a sniper.
Called his rifle “sunshine”.
Was a big John Denver fan.
Oh yes, the same scope I used in Tom Clancy’s Rainbow 6 Las Vegas PC game, but I never noticed the writing on it.
Anti-Christian Big Media Pundits act like a bunch of vampires reacting to Light-of-Day or simple Crucifix!
Trijicon better be prepared - betcha this administration will see to it that they lose their government contract.
ever GI I know will want one on their rifle so if I were they I would be making a web site that allowed mom and dad to buy one for them.
you know we have to do this our selves sometimes. I had to get gun oil from the US when I was doing this .. just the way it was.. and is.. So NRA open a site for them..
I call BS on this turd.
There are several sites where anyone can buy an ACOG - The one I have says TA01-NSN - I don’t see a Bible connection. I have friends here in the states that have sent their scopes to friends fighting in “the sand box” - they are good battle scopes.
And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.
When they could be focused on more important issues, such as smearing Sarah Palin!
>>>ABC with its 3 so-called journalist on the job, act like it’s the crime of the century
My initial reaction was “So what” but thinking about it, yes it’s an actual story. And the verses should be eliminated.
Using this in Muslim lands gives the taliban “proof” to the argument we are crusaders waging war on Allah. ‘Tricking” Muslim soldiers to use these sights just makes it worse.
The Brits were nearly expelled from India by a mutiny of their native troops when the story got around that British army ammunition was tainted.
“the introduction in 1857 of the `new Enfield rifle’
with its distinct ammunition, which required the bullet to be `bitten before loading’. Rumours that the grease used on the bullets was either from the fat of cattle or pigs, which either proved `sacred to Hindus’ or `pollution to Muslims’, was interpreted as attacking at the core of the Hindu and Muslim religious beliefs. These rumours unlike
those regarding the conversion to Christianity and dismantling of the caste system, did prove to have a factual basis, as the British government `withdrew the objectionable grease’. This belated action proved futile as the damage had already been done.”
We might want to avoid such errors of history.
a long time ago i had gun oil delivered to my unit by my dad with some special knives.
I don’t think we’re handing out thousand dollar ACOG sights to any Afghans to mount on fifty dollar Kalashnikovs.
I call BS on this turd.
I second that. Presumably if it is such a big deal for those guys they could just skip using the Tricon, and get along with the ordinary iron sights. You know, make it a little more of a fair fight for the Taliban who don't have good optics. Somehow I doubt that any US soldier or Marine would ever say or do such a thing.
More ABC BS propaganda.
I'm surprised Mikey has any idea of how to find a Bible reference.
Someone noted that Mikey may be Jewish ~ sorry ~ Mikey is not Jewish.
There is a Yiddish word for what he is ~ actually, a lot of Yiddish words for it.
None of them are nice.
You can bet that Major Hasan would have complained, had he known. There are more than a few muslims in the military; they and the occasional lefty are no doubt the source of the “complaints”, most likely at the urging of the ACLU and other lefty fronts.
Anyone who thinks the USA is going to defeat radical Islam by exhibiting our “secular values” is a fool.
The kind of proselytizing done with a Winchester 308 or Barrett 50BMG works for me!
Psalm .... Yea tho I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I fear no evil because I’m the meanest sombitch in the valley
That situation prevailed from North Africa to Southern China, and points to South of the Equator.
The comparison between a Bible verse and a pig is inappropriate and not supported by Islam.
BTW, I know of a couple of trained Sunni imams who keep a Bible on hand "just in case". Don't know if they ever had a "just in case", but if they did they had one.
The claim, though, wasn't that our troops would somehow be harmed with a Bible verse ~ that would be the rankest superstition in fact ~ demon worship actually ~ but that this violated the "no proselytizing" rule.
Still trying to figure out how Afghans are going to be proselytized with a rifle scope. About 99% of the time that sucker is being used to KILL an Afghan or a Jihadi ~ not to convert him.
I doubt any muzzzies are closely examining the engraved stamping on our military scopes. This is a another politically correct form of hysteria that is stupid & senseless. Now Michael Weinstein can be proud of the fact that HE has clearly brought it to the attention of the jihadist islamic terrorists. Way to go Mikey, you anti-Christian bigot!!! And by the way, America WAS founded on the basis of Christian values & principles. Every founding father proclaimed their belief that America would prosper only if it held true to Christian values & principles & belief in Jesus Christ.
Or just put what his character had engraved on his wallet on the side of the weapon instead.
These ‘scopes’ have been and will continue to be lifesavers to our troops. Almost every personal and written comment from our soldiers that have been issued one of these have been overwhelming positive. In fact, many soldiers that do not get issued one purchase one for personal use at considerable cost mind you.
From my understanding in most groups the designated marksman gets issued one while all the other troops have Aimpoints.
You mean words such as...collaborator, enemy agent, or traitor?
Discussion of ABC article:
Yep. There are a few threads on it.
DOD issued me bibles an dog tags that had religious Code or text as well.....this POS Mikey W needs to grow up.
I love the idea of using the ACOG with that code (mine has it also) to kill trash islamakazis.
I know a knife maker that does such as well.
isn't that wonderful...it's not perfectly ok to be bigoted towards Christianity after being bigoted against yourself for eras.
the Weinstein-named list of my cultural foes is growing...lol..and both end in the letter "Y"...Mikey meet Harvey
Shame of Israel for calling a missle "Gabriel" God forbid or weapons called Pegasus or Thunderbolt...more religious inference.... drunk with his own prejudice this nutbag...they should ignore him
Yes, I realize that we are not issuing these to Iraqi or Afghans, just our soldiers. I should have made that more clear in my note. The aggravating thing, is that some schmuck like Mike Weinstein is trumpeting this loud & clear, thereby assuring America-haters (at home & abroad) one more reason to bash Anerica and target American soldiers or personnel.
I understand and I agree with you but in all honesty at somepoint this Political Correct crap has got to stop if this Republic is to survive.
Besides, if push came to shove Trjicon would gladly remove the markings on new production to keep the contract.
“Yes, I realize that we are not issuing these to Iraqi or Afghans, just our soldiers.”
You would be incorrect, sir:
(note Iraqi uniform and flag)
Is it “practically speaking” a big deal? No.
However, propaganda-wise it’s something the enemy can easily spin up as more evidence that this is a religious crusade and not a defensive war against terrorism.
So in essence Trijicon is parading their piety around to impress gun-buying Christians, at the cost of giving our enemy propaganda ammo to use against us. There is no reason whatsoever that Trijicon should put religious references on a gov’t contract product, much less one used in a war where religious issues are a major factor.
FOTFL. that's a great one. It needs to be in the standard. Oh god, I can't stop laughing.
Dude, really now. We should not waste a single calorie justifying our behavior to 7th-century heathen animals. They do not react to reason like a western person does. The coddling of these assclowns is one of the reasons we have not won a decisive victory yet.
Your example of the Enfield's pig/cow greased rounds is a good example how their worldview has not evolved one iota in the 154 years since that event occured.
Except that to "parade" you must advertise and make widely known. They did not do that. Apparently they have been putting references on their sights for years and years with no advertisement of this fact. This argument is a fail.
"...There is no reason whatsoever that Trijicon should put religious references on a govt contract product...
Again, fail. This product is off the shelf, not made exclusively for the military. If anything, you should aim your muslim-appeasement and Christian-hatred towards the procurement officer who did not pick up on this (tiny and insignifigant) attribute.
“Dude, really now. We should not waste a single calorie justifying our behavior to 7th-century heathen animals. They do not react to reason like a western person does. The coddling of these assclowns is one of the reasons we have not won a decisive victory yet.”
Brilliant strategy, no wonder the Afghan War is about to exceed Vietnam in length. And also no surprise that people from countries nowhere near Iraq and Afghanistan (Nigeria, Yemen, Indonesia) are piling onto the “America is out to get Muslims” bandwagon.
It’s people like you, who cleave to the “yep, this sure is a Holy War!” mentality, who are giving aid and comfort to the enemy by giving them the ammo to spin up uneducated peasants and idle rich kids to go out and kill your fellow Americans.
Actually, I possess more of a "Let's nuke them from orbit" kind of mentality.
As for your rantings about a "holy war": if this was indeed a holy war we would have won it in about 35 minutes. Your allusion to a holy war illustrates a simplistic view that a lot of athiests and liberals have: that this conflict revolves around Christianity fighting against islam.
A more accurate angle is this: A diverse, fully developed, mostly peace-loving culture is at war with 7th-century band of violent, heathen, desert-dwelling nomads who only bow to the most ruthless among them, and who celebrate xenophobia, misogyny, and child-rape.
Your other comments are simply not worth rebutting as they lack substance.
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