Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Are Michelins Really That Expensive? ($38,000 Bugatti Veyron PAX tires)
TireReview ^ | jan 20 2010

Posted on 01/20/2010 11:39:21 AM PST by envisio

Ever wondered what the most expensive passenger car tires in the world are?

According to a report published on the Autocar Web site, Bugatti Veyron rubber must be a prime contender with a set of four new tires costing $38,482.

And if you were wondering which tire manufacturer won the OE contract to supply these products, a quick look at tyrepress.com’s online archive reveals that the 406 km/h car, which is capable of 0-300 km/h in under 14 seconds, fits Michelin Pilot Sport Pax System 245-690R520 A (front) and 365-710R540 A (rear) tires.

The main reason for the great expense, Autocar explains, is the fact that they have to be capable of 253 mph: “over 100 mph faster than Concorde’s landing speed.” However, according to the report, what’s worse is that every fourth tire change (assuming you can afford to run the car that long) the Veyron’s wheels have to be stress tested for cracks. The replacement cost for these 20-inch forged wheels is said to be another $11,544 each.

According to Autocar, a standard service for the Bugatti Veyron costs $21,069. So when you factor in a set of four new tires and one replacement wheel, a complete service could realistically cost a whopping $71,092.

No one mentioned if that is before or after VAT.

Little wonder then that one Veyron owner has reportedly taken to the comparatively more economical option of having his car trailed to wherever he wants to drive it, while he follows in his private jet. (Tyres & Accessories)


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: bugattiveyron
I have distributed one set of these to a PAX dealer in Miami. Probbly some rapper or moviestar.... but yeah, they cost that much.

4 month waiting period to "make" these tires by hand. (away from the normal production proccess) Most dealers, even PAX dealers, would not even touch a car that expensive. They would politely decline service. I know I would.


1 posted on 01/20/2010 11:39:24 AM PST by envisio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: envisio

This clearly falls into the, “If you have to ask how much it costs, you can’t afford it,” category.


2 posted on 01/20/2010 11:42:52 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: envisio

That is one nice-looking car.


3 posted on 01/20/2010 11:45:12 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Joe 6-pack

Well, face it, most Veyrons sit in a garage like a jewel or a trophy.


4 posted on 01/20/2010 11:45:34 AM PST by envisio (Need tires? See my profile.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: envisio
face it, most Veyrons sit in a garage like a jewel or a trophy.

Not all of them! This guy drives his everywhere... even to the lake.

5 posted on 01/20/2010 11:50:47 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: envisio
"Well, face it, most Veyrons sit in a garage..."

Except for one guy in Galveston who prefers to keep his in a lake...


6 posted on 01/20/2010 11:51:06 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: envisio
Well, face it, most Veyrons sit in a garage like a jewel or a trophy.

Best place for them.

7 posted on 01/20/2010 11:52:03 AM PST by UCANSEE2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: envisio

Hey, if you’re gonna pay 2.1 million for a car....

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2010/01/19/does-owning-a-bugatti-veyron-cost-as-much-as-a-private-jet/

....what’s 38 grand for tires??

Oh. and that website says you change tires every 2,500 miles.

Sheesh!


8 posted on 01/20/2010 11:52:44 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Free Republic. The BEST place anywhere to PIMP YOUR BLOG)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: envisio

“””rear tires....365/710/540””””

According to my calculations, this tire is 365mm = 14.89 inches wide


9 posted on 01/20/2010 11:53:14 AM PST by envisio (Need tires? See my profile.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: envisio; Joe 6-pack

>>>>14.89 inches wide<<<<

365 is the same width you would see on a super-single like a cement truck or super-single trailer rigs. Thats a wide dang tire.


10 posted on 01/20/2010 11:56:58 AM PST by envisio (Need tires? See my profile.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: envisio

May have been for Charlie Crist’s pal Scott Rothstein of $1.2 billion ponzi scheme fame. He had one.

Top Gear had the funny James May driving one at VW’s test track with a 5 mile + straightaway. VW owns Bugatti. May got it up over 250 mph. At that speed it would run out of gas in 15 minutes and the tires would probably burn up too. 4 turbos on a V-12 or something. I think it puts out 1,000 bhp.


11 posted on 01/20/2010 11:57:21 AM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: envisio

Texan who swamped Bugatti buys another

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 8:44 AM

http://www.khou.com/news/Texan-who-swamped-Bugatti-buys-another—82157512.html


12 posted on 01/20/2010 12:07:06 PM PST by Orange1998
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: envisio

Keep in mind also that, although those tires are capable of 250+ mph, they can only handle that for a few minutes, and then they degrade and have to be replaced, so a few laps around the Nurburgring (or 6 hours at a local track day, should you be so bourgeoise), or two or three top-speed blasts means a new set of tires.


13 posted on 01/20/2010 12:07:06 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Frantzie

Top Gear also did an episode with Jeremy in the Veyron, racing across Europe against James and Richard - who were in a single-engine plane.


14 posted on 01/20/2010 12:10:50 PM PST by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: envisio

Relatively speaking putting a $38000 set of tires on a million dollar car is similar to putting a $600 set on a $20,000 car.


15 posted on 01/20/2010 12:16:11 PM PST by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Little Pig

The technology allows them to hold up to the centrifugal forces, but they can’t stand the heat.

Every time a car goes down the road, the tires heat up. They cool back down when parked. These hot-cold cycles cures the rubber a little more everytime. over thousands of miles the tire gets harder and harder. Thats why an old tire that still has tread loses grip.

At these extreme speeds, the technology is not far enough along to make the tires stay soft. They are over-soft to start with and harden very quickly at those extreme heat levels. A drawback to the softness is treadlife. They would rather the tread wear off that for the tire to harden, lose structural integrity and fail at 200mph.


16 posted on 01/20/2010 12:17:12 PM PST by envisio (Need tires? See my profile.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: envisio
Two years ago I bought a 2006 Infinity with 4,000 miles on it from Lomborghini of Ohio in Maryville (outside Columbus).

They had their entire inventory in doors. Most of their inventory of cars were pre-owned. Some of the cars had 100 miles or less on them. I ask, why so low and was told these guys that buy them bring them home, take them out once and are scared to death of the cars. They turn around and sell them back.

17 posted on 01/20/2010 12:30:41 PM PST by Recon Dad ( USMC SSgt Patrick O - 3rd Afghanistan Deployment - Day 92)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: envisio

The other 99% of population settle for Douglas Trac II.

:)


18 posted on 01/20/2010 12:40:06 PM PST by Cedar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Recon Dad

I see that all the time in the motorcycle business.

$40,000 choppers that are 2 years old with less than 500 miles. Those are impulse buys by rich mid-life-crisis people.


19 posted on 01/20/2010 12:40:50 PM PST by envisio (Need tires? See my profile.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Cedar

Tell me you don’t ride around on those......


20 posted on 01/20/2010 12:41:57 PM PST by envisio (Need tires? See my profile.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: absolootezer0

Looks like you got a pretty good deal on those MickeyThompsons.


21 posted on 01/20/2010 12:45:04 PM PST by envisio (Need tires? See my profile.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: envisio

yup, and mine’ll last longer, and take me to more fun places. :)


22 posted on 01/20/2010 1:06:04 PM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: absolootezer0

I’ll send you a picture of my new BFGs.

Classic hotrod look.


23 posted on 01/20/2010 1:12:07 PM PST by envisio (Need tires? See my profile.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: envisio

they look nice, but not quite enough tread for MI winters or muddy trails :)


24 posted on 01/20/2010 1:19:27 PM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: envisio

The shame of it was they wouldn’t even let me sit in them.


25 posted on 01/20/2010 1:43:20 PM PST by Recon Dad ( USMC SSgt Patrick O - 3rd Afghanistan Deployment - Day 92)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Charles Martel
Top Gear also did an episode with Jeremy in the Veyron, racing across Europe against James and Richard - who were in a single-engine plane.

The plane lost because James May can't fly at night

To complete the trifecta, Richard Hammond raced the Veyron against a twin engined plane (and lost)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NZ9X9A2efA

26 posted on 01/20/2010 2:49:33 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Don't panic, the lunatics are in charge and have everything in hand.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: envisio

No, I’m riding on Goodyear Tracker 2 tires.

But the Douglas are big sellers in this area.


27 posted on 01/21/2010 12:52:11 AM PST by Cedar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Cedar

Goodyear Tracker 2 = Walmart/SamsClub exclusive


28 posted on 01/21/2010 5:41:34 AM PST by envisio (Need tires? See my profile.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: envisio

Yes, I like to pay less for my tires. Don’t you?


29 posted on 01/21/2010 10:54:39 AM PST by Cedar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: envisio

And actually, I wanted to pay less than I had to.

The tires were $120 a tire, and with Road Hazard Warranty and Lifetime Rotation and Balance it came to $160 per tire.


30 posted on 01/21/2010 10:58:13 AM PST by Cedar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: envisio
They would rather the tread wear off that for the tire to harden, lose structural integrity and fail at 200mph.

Hmm...I'm trying to envision a catastrophic tire failure at 200 mph in a passenger car. The pictures I'm getting aren't pretty.

31 posted on 01/21/2010 11:08:38 AM PST by Billthedrill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Cedar

Sure, but not at the sacrifice of quality/fitment/application. If the tires are the correct fitment/application, then there I see no problem going with a lower tiered tire.
But WalMart, Sams, PepBoys, et al are notorious for putting the wrong application on vehicles. And “paying less” is often their only approach at putting tires on cars.


32 posted on 01/21/2010 11:09:11 AM PST by envisio (Need tires? See my profile.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: envisio

Walmart tells customers to use recommended tire size for vehicle (usually on inside door or in manual). But will mount other size if customer wants it.

I used the recommended tire size for my SUV. And no way do I want to pay more than $160 per tire! Just not that into cars like you are. :)


33 posted on 01/21/2010 11:19:26 AM PST by Cedar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Cedar

Yeah, they will use the correct size. But size is just one variable. Inside that doorjam you will see required load rating and required speed rating. Two different vehicles can have the same size tire but require completely different types of tires.

By application, I mean they will fudge on load index, performance rating and a half dozen other variables that determine the proper application for the vehicle.

Not all big chain stores are like this, some are very professional. I talk to many of them on a dailly basis and some have no business even going near someones car.


34 posted on 01/21/2010 12:03:00 PM PST by envisio (Need tires? See my profile.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: envisio

Tracker 2:

Type: Light Truck-Highway
Sidewall Cosmetics: OWL
Temperature Rating: B
Traction: A
Speed Rating: S (112 mph)
Weather: All Season
M+S: Y
Load Range: SL


35 posted on 01/21/2010 12:58:15 PM PST by Cedar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Cedar

As an engineer, I understand the research that has gone into developing a street tire capable of these speeds. However, if I actually owned one of these cars, the very first thing I would do with it is stash the stock wheels and tires in a plastic bubble full of nitrogen to prevent them from oxidizing, and install a set of wheels just large enough to clear the brake calipers, and some tires from a regular supercar like a Ferrari Enzo.

This way, I could just cruise around town worry free (provided I was able to control myself and keep it under 200 MPH between stoplights) and not worry about putting my $1.5M supercar in a crate and send it back to France every 2500 miles for new tires.

If I ever decided I wanted to test out the top speed, I’d go down to the basement, break out my $75,000 set of wheels and tires from their storage environment, use my Aluminum racing jack I bought at Sams Club, and give it a go.

The car is awesome, but it’s really just stupid money at this point. To upgrade from a Ford to a BMW, you add an extra decimal place to the engineering tolerances, and add an extra zero to the price. From BMW to Ferrari, add another of each, and Ferrari to Bugatti, add one more. There isn’t going to be an improvement upon this car because adding yet another decimal to the tolerances is just overkill in the real world. The only place anyone has ever maxed this car out is on the 5 mile straight at VW’s test track. If I’m wrong, send me the link to your Youtube video or it didn’t happen. Unless somebody is going to build a 10 mile straight and a W-32, I don’t see any reason to add that next zero.

Also, everybody is all worked up about this engine, but basically you take a 2 Liter 4 Cylinder turbo that makes 250 HP and you cast 4 of them into the same block. It isn’t really magic, just very custom, rare, and accordingly expensive.

I do love the car, I have actually seen one on the streets of the North Atlanta Suburbs, I would pay anybody $1000 for 15 minutes on a racetrack with it, but it honestly just doesn’t make sense beyond bragging rights.


36 posted on 08/31/2010 7:23:48 AM PDT by mjfeeney775
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson