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Harley-Davidson Has Its First Loss in 16 Years
AP ^ | January 22, 2010 | ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 01/23/2010 3:23:00 PM PST by opentalk

Harley-Davidson, the motorcycle maker, reported a fourth-quarter loss Friday, its first quarterly shortfall in 16 years, hurt by restructuring costs and the sluggish economy. Harley-Davidson has come under pressure over the last year as the tight credit markets and the weak economy led consumers to shun purchases of its high-end, heavyweight motorcycles. The company has been reorganizing its business through layoffs, factory closures and closing or selling unwanted brands.

Harley said shipments of its bikes to dealers in 2009 fell 27 percent, to 223,023.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; economy; fourth100days; harley; motorcycles; obama
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1 posted on 01/23/2010 3:23:01 PM PST by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Oh my.

What ever will mid-life-crisis, Viagra-swilling, chaps-uniform-wearing, obese, men with receding hair lines do?


2 posted on 01/23/2010 3:25:53 PM PST by WaterBoard
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To: opentalk

A lot fewer 60 + year olds and baby boomers will be hittin the road after Obama gives their Soc Security and Medicare to illegals and Haitians he wants to flood in.

Lots of baby boomers and some seniors voted for this. I know seniors who foolishly voted for the Muslim.


3 posted on 01/23/2010 3:26:08 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: WaterBoard

Probably will be in the soup line when they depression really kicks in toward the end of this summer.

FL has 13+% unemployment but they let the illegals keep flooding in.


4 posted on 01/23/2010 3:27:31 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: WaterBoard

Probably will be in the soup line when they depression really kicks in toward the end of this summer.

FL has 13+% unemployment but they let the illegals keep flooding in.


5 posted on 01/23/2010 3:27:45 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: opentalk
Harley-Davidson, reported a fourth-quarter loss Friday, its first quarterly shortfall in 16 years,

It's Bush's fault...

6 posted on 01/23/2010 3:28:44 PM PST by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: opentalk
About time... 20K for a vastly inferior motorcycle is ridiculous...
7 posted on 01/23/2010 3:29:21 PM PST by TV Dinners (Hope is not a Strategy)
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To: WaterBoard
What ever will mid-life-crisis, Viagra-swilling, chaps-uniform-wearing, obese, men with receding hair lines do?

I switched to pilates in '07, but then again I was a Ducati rider.

8 posted on 01/23/2010 3:30:35 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: opentalk

Is it true when Harley Davidson needed new machine tools they chose Japanese made lathes, mills, drills, saws, etc.?


9 posted on 01/23/2010 3:32:29 PM PST by reaganator
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To: WaterBoard
wait for the sun, and go for a ride, what else?

Maybe even have the wife ride along.

I don't see the downside, never did.

10 posted on 01/23/2010 3:34:20 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: TV Dinners
can pick up a decent one for under 8K nowadays.

I picked up a slightly crashed one for 1800 and restored it, runs smooth, gave it to The Wife for christmas.

Total less than 4 k invested.

They got overrated for a while, as people had more money than they could wipe their azz with.

.Still, for diehards, the price is in the affordable column now, and all the better.

11 posted on 01/23/2010 3:40:08 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: TV Dinners

Ignorant

Harleys range from 7k up. And no they aren’t inferior. They are actually a better deal than imports now that the dollar has tanked.


12 posted on 01/23/2010 3:44:30 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: WaterBoard

I dont know about the other guys but Im gonna sell my Harley and lay down and die


13 posted on 01/23/2010 3:47:09 PM PST by woofie
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To: opentalk
I think it's time for this once great company to diversify and design a lightweight city bike designed for Generation X commuters.The days of heavyweight touring bike are almost over,nobody in these days of economic collapse can afford a bike costing almost as much as most suv's.
I googled trike/scooters and found this neat little city bike costing only 1 1/2 thousand.=

It wouldn't look out of place on city byways
14 posted on 01/23/2010 3:49:08 PM PST by cavador (Wash your Hands-Cover that sneeze!It helps stop the H1N1 Virus)
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To: opentalk

How's that Hope and Change working out for ya?
15 posted on 01/23/2010 3:55:42 PM PST by iowamark
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To: cavador

Looks gay,communist,and African.


16 posted on 01/23/2010 3:57:01 PM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: cavador
Oh yeah, sure, like I'm gonna park my mid-life-crisis, Viagra-swilling, chaps-uniform-wearing, obese, men with receding hair lines ass on that piece of crap?
17 posted on 01/23/2010 3:59:26 PM PST by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and Obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: reaganator
Is it true when Harley Davidson needed new machine tools they chose Japanese made lathes, mills, drills, saws, etc.?

Absolutely, I used to work there in engineering in the early '90's. I don't think I ever saw an American machine tool even though Kearney and Trecker was dying nearby - but in their defense the Japanese now totally control the market.

Keep in mind the Japanese claimed that their machine tool industry was still recovering from WWII until the '80's and no American firm could set up distributorships or buy a Japanese company.

18 posted on 01/23/2010 4:03:10 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: reaganator

“Is it true when Harley Davidson needed new machine tools they chose Japanese made lathes, mills, drills, saws, etc.?”

As opposed to what? There are almost no U.S. made machine tools. U.S. manufacturing has been regulated, taxed and unionized out of existence decades ago.


19 posted on 01/23/2010 4:08:44 PM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 393)
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To: WaterBoard

I can tell most of the posters here do not own or have ever ridden a Harley.

Ride Safe


20 posted on 01/23/2010 4:12:33 PM PST by 23 Everest (NRA Life Member . Tea Party Patriot & 92 Harley Softtail Owner)
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To: opentalk

If its sun shiny tomorrow I’m going to take my glide for a ride .


21 posted on 01/23/2010 4:18:52 PM PST by kempo
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To: cavador
I think it's time for this once great company to diversify and design a lightweight city bike designed for Generation X commuters.

They did, and I (briefly) owned one: a used and abused H-D 1951 Hummer. At the time, it was considered less "cool" than a Heathkit mini-bike. After unsuccessfully trying to restore it, I gave the parts away in disgust. Wish I hadn't.

Mr. niteowl77

22 posted on 01/23/2010 4:49:30 PM PST by niteowl77 (You wanted him, and now you have got him. I say, "Good day to you," America.)
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To: 23 Everest

I hear ya! I’m 51 and ride an 88” Shovelhead stroker in a rigid frame. Kick only,no electric start. The front end is off an ‘89 cbr600,though, because I only paid $75.00 for it, complete, and I love dual disc stoppers. It’s a beautiful thing!


23 posted on 01/23/2010 5:09:04 PM PST by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: Frantzie

I frequently visit a friend at a high end retirement community. Obama stickers were everywhere last spring but not so much now, did not see any McCain, though I did see a don’t tread on me flag at one home. BTW, my friend drank the koolaid too but he hates bambi now, in large part because of me....:) It was white guilt, but its over, it was a one time shot and won’t fly again, especially with seniors who are horrified at Obamacare.


24 posted on 01/23/2010 5:10:18 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: opentalk

The Harley bust was writing on the wall long before the economic slowdown... that just caused it to happen faster.


25 posted on 01/23/2010 5:10:51 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Last Dakotan

I had an uncle who worked at Kearney and Trecker back in the day.


26 posted on 01/23/2010 5:14:41 PM PST by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: cavador

Riding that thing would be like wearing a dress in public.


27 posted on 01/23/2010 5:14:44 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: HerrBlucher

A lot of seniors insanely voted for him. Baby boomers too. I can see stupid young people but anyone over 25 who failed to have the common sense to voted against him deserves ObamaCare.

High end community? They all thought they are immune, safe and above it all. LOL! Obama wants them dead, wants their IRA, 401K and retirement $$ for his illegal alien hordes. When liberals start thinking their marxist can get their money - they often get very conservative. Evil idiots.

Unfortunately, the Dems rigged our primary with the Manchurian idiot who was set up to lose.


28 posted on 01/23/2010 5:20:26 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Wo hoo! Ducati - sweet. The Ferrari of motorcycles. I would love 996 or 1081 (I forget the model numbers). Awesome bikes.


29 posted on 01/23/2010 5:24:18 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Last Dakotan

Japanese tools and the engines still sound and run like s**t? Is the HD engines based on an old tractor motor?

The new HD bike engine was designed by Porsche’s engineering arm at Weissach. Smooth.

I will take a Ducati thank you.


30 posted on 01/23/2010 5:27:24 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: kickonly88

right on, I’m 57 ride a 92 Heritage Softtail Classic. I’ve got over 90K miles and gonna ride it still I die.


31 posted on 01/23/2010 5:28:43 PM PST by 23 Everest (NRA Life Member . Tea Party Patriot & 92 Harley Softtail Owner)
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To: 23 Everest

Cool, I’m currently working on the wife’s ‘79 Shovel in a 4 speed swingarm frame. It has one of the last 74 cu. in. engines they produced.


32 posted on 01/23/2010 5:44:40 PM PST by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: Frantzie

I will take a Ducati thank you.

I’d take one of their front ends, an older one, not one of those ugly inverted ones.


33 posted on 01/23/2010 5:47:16 PM PST by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: Frantzie

I had a Monster... scared the **** outta me.


34 posted on 01/23/2010 6:29:14 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: opentalk
led consumers to shun purchases of its high-end, heavyweight, underpowered, poor handling, obsolete technology, motorcycles

Fixed it for ya'.

35 posted on 01/23/2010 6:30:10 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: kickonly88

You the Man! I like the old school rides you have. My wife has a 97 1200 Sportster that my brother-in-law bought new. He had more money that sense and the only thing that ain’t chrome is her.


36 posted on 01/23/2010 6:58:13 PM PST by 23 Everest (NRA Life Member . Tea Party Patriot & 92 Harley Softtail Owner)
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To: mamelukesabre

Yeah.. I got sick of cleaning oil on the floor of the garage years ago.
Superior Technology indeed...

Too each his own, right...


37 posted on 01/23/2010 7:05:20 PM PST by TV Dinners (Hope is not a Strategy)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

LOL! It’s a freaking racing bike.

Each new year the Ferrari F1 team has their drivers and team at a press event of skiing and snow sports in the Italian alps. This year they had the Ducati team and riders Nickey Hayden and Casey Stoner there.

The Yamaha team actually has Fiat sponsor them. Ferrari is larely owned by Fiat but Italian 9 time Moto GP champ Valentino Rossi rides for Yamaha.

Rossi is testing a Ferrari F1 car and his times are so good that Yamaha is worried he may leave Moto GP.


38 posted on 01/23/2010 8:16:49 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: 23 Everest
Me too. I'm 56 and ride a 94 Nostalgia Heritage Softtail and ride every chance I get. I am going to ride it till I can't ride it any more. 35 years ago I rode a Yamaha 400 with a faring the whole time I was in college and the Harley was quite an upgrade and pleasant experience.
39 posted on 01/23/2010 8:27:44 PM PST by vetvetdoug (FUBO, a fashion statement for conservatives.)
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To: vetvetdoug

Very Cool my friend. Ride Safe!


40 posted on 01/23/2010 8:43:08 PM PST by 23 Everest (I can see what your doing...please close your blinds.)
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To: kickonly88
I had an uncle who worked at Kearney and Trecker back in the day.

We run K&T's every day in our machining business. They are still serviced by a small band of loyalists in Milwaukee.

41 posted on 01/23/2010 9:31:02 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: TV Dinners

LOL

omg you are a total idiot


42 posted on 01/24/2010 12:19:49 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: TV Dinners
Yeah.. I got sick of cleaning oil on the floor of the garage years ago.

Yeah... musta been YEARS ago. Harley hasn't had a reputation for being leakers since the Evo and the buyback from AMF.

It's always easy to spot the B.S. from people who just repeat some myth they heard from some other misinformed know it all.

43 posted on 01/24/2010 7:28:11 AM PST by PalmettoMason (MUSLIMS BE WARNED! I am armed. And my ammo has all been dipped in pork fat.)
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To: uglybiker
Ping, Brother.

So mote it be.

44 posted on 01/24/2010 7:29:07 AM PST by PalmettoMason (MUSLIMS BE WARNED! I am armed. And my ammo has all been dipped in pork fat.)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

Is Harley Davidson also over regulated, over taxed and unionized?


45 posted on 01/24/2010 7:32:05 AM PST by reaganator
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To: Frantzie
I know seniors who foolishly voted for the Muslim skinny black socialist. ;-)
46 posted on 01/24/2010 7:34:54 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: 23 Everest

That’s funny!


47 posted on 01/24/2010 7:47:19 AM PST by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: PalmettoMason
My Guzzi is long since paid for and, even after 15 years, still doesn't leak.

Although the S&C on the windshield might have to be replaced. It's gettin' kinda faded. ;-)

48 posted on 01/24/2010 10:15:37 AM PST by uglybiker (BACON!!)
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To: vetvetdoug
Sounds like we have plenty in common.

Vet, Vet, HD's, keep going!

49 posted on 01/24/2010 10:24:09 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: mamelukesabre

Nah, not an idiot, he simply was a lousy mechanic, or had one.


50 posted on 01/24/2010 10:25:22 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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