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US Economic Collapse Survial Map!
Economic Vindicator! ^ | 1-26-10 | James

Posted on 01/26/2010 6:12:58 AM PST by iloveamerica1980

Where is the best place to live in the country in the event of economic collapse? A US Army veteran employs to use of computer graphics and a host of social-economic-environmental factors to share his conclusions....which are fairly obvious!


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1 posted on 01/26/2010 6:12:59 AM PST by iloveamerica1980
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To: iloveamerica1980

Keys on a sailboat.


2 posted on 01/26/2010 6:16:44 AM PST by screaminsunshine
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To: iloveamerica1980
BFL
3 posted on 01/26/2010 6:17:41 AM PST by blam
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To: iloveamerica1980

I am not far from the good area!


4 posted on 01/26/2010 6:22:08 AM PST by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: iloveamerica1980

It’s going to be me all by myself in “The Mall of America”!

Suckers!


5 posted on 01/26/2010 6:22:27 AM PST by Recon Dad ( USMC SSgt Patrick O - 3rd Afghanistan Deployment - Day 98)
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To: iloveamerica1980
You could go to Philadelphia, because according to WC Fields, they won't be aware that the world ended for at least two years.
6 posted on 01/26/2010 6:25:15 AM PST by Recon Dad ( USMC SSgt Patrick O - 3rd Afghanistan Deployment - Day 98)
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To: iloveamerica1980

We’re 95 minutes (by car) / three day walk from our ‘right place to live sanctuary.’

Said journey supported by bug out kits, 1500 rounds [distributed among/carried by four people] and prior planning.


7 posted on 01/26/2010 6:26:01 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: iloveamerica1980

NOLA is on his map?

I think it’s already been established that you don’t want to be there during a collapse.


8 posted on 01/26/2010 6:26:04 AM PST by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: iloveamerica1980

This is messed up. You can easily survive freezing temps if you have a cozy cabin and plenty of available firewood.


9 posted on 01/26/2010 6:26:11 AM PST by proudpapa (Obama - Worst One Ever!)
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To: iloveamerica1980

we will all show up there at the designated time.


10 posted on 01/26/2010 6:29:11 AM PST by rface (Martin Luther King Jr......One of America's Great Heroes.)
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To: proudpapa

But you can’t get a tan.


11 posted on 01/26/2010 6:29:39 AM PST by mefistofelerevised
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To: proudpapa

....and a member of the opposite sex!!!!


12 posted on 01/26/2010 6:31:34 AM PST by iloveamerica1980 (Topop)
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To: proudpapa

If if one of his criteria is low pop density, guess where all the masses are going to head?


13 posted on 01/26/2010 6:37:00 AM PST by DManA
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To: iloveamerica1980

Bump


14 posted on 01/26/2010 6:37:08 AM PST by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: proudpapa

I agree, myself, looking at it from a tactical and survival standpoint, like the idea of North Conway, NH, near the white Mountains.

It’s somewhat secluded, not near any major airports, and most importantly, it has very few main roads going into the area, which allows you to monitor who goes in and out.

There’s plenty of wildlife in the surrounding forests for hunting, a source of clean fresh water with the Sacco River, and plenty of open spaces to live and wood for heat.

They do get quite a bit of snow, but if you’re a native New Englander this isn’t an issue, it can actually help since it will reduce the amount of people trying to get into the area.

Since there is also a lack of the entitlement class up there, there’s less chance of riots and looters, you’re going to get more of a well armed and ready group being that is it New Hampshire.

So I feel like it wouldn’t be a bad place to e during a SHTF moment.


15 posted on 01/26/2010 6:37:20 AM PST by gjones77
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To: Recon Dad

LOL Remind me of a movie, of course, there are lots more people with the same idea.


16 posted on 01/26/2010 6:45:46 AM PST by A. Morgan (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. Lawrence)
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To: iloveamerica1980

In the New-CSA...


17 posted on 01/26/2010 6:50:02 AM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: iloveamerica1980

Last year I cudn’t spel survialist and now I are one.


18 posted on 01/26/2010 6:50:20 AM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: gjones77

Read the book “One Second After”. It puts it in perspective for you. If the SHTF, being a days drive from a major population center (or even more) will not put you out of harm’s way. In fact people think those in these rural areas have food and water. What do city dwellers know anyway? Also don’t kid yourself that “there is plenty of game here” to survive on. The disappearance of wild game happens amazingly fast and can’t sustain that many people. Best to stock up on food and ammo (1500 rounds of ammo is nice but not enough) and get a militia group together.


19 posted on 01/26/2010 6:55:05 AM PST by dumpthelibs (dumpthelibs)
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Bookmark


20 posted on 01/26/2010 6:58:26 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Recon Dad

Well, everything will be on sale!


21 posted on 01/26/2010 7:03:19 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: iloveamerica1980

Cool. I could load up my boat and head north through the Mobile Bay delta where there is plenty of fresh water, vegetation, and game.


22 posted on 01/26/2010 7:04:20 AM PST by SonnyBubba
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To: proudpapa

Imagine the competition for “his” space!


23 posted on 01/26/2010 7:18:24 AM PST by himno hero
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To: iloveamerica1980
You can actually look at places where economies *have* collapsed to see how people will behave, such as Weimar Germany, Zimbabwe, North Korea, and Argentina.

It's unlikely to get worse than what those people saw.

Moreover, a large collapse will be at least somewhat incremental...you'd see one area fall before another...and be able to learn how people are going to react to this new crisis.

But other than the above, most of the apocalyptic fantasy is that suddenly we are free men again...with no burdensome government and corporate rules...living as rugged individuals instead of as a collective.

A pleasant fantasy, but the experiences of Zimbabwe and Argentina suggest different realities.

24 posted on 01/26/2010 7:28:43 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: EdReform

bookmarking


25 posted on 01/26/2010 7:35:19 AM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: iloveamerica1980

If I remember correctly, from my inferior public school system history, quite a few people were able to survive in areas north of the frost line well before public utilities were available. My parents property backs up against the River of No Return Wilderness area in North Idaho. Plenty of water, plenty of game, plenty of wood for a cabin and a cozy fire, and very few people.

While I prefer the comfort of S. TX I can certainly imagine surviving close to the Canadian Border without any problems.


26 posted on 01/26/2010 7:35:37 AM PST by Mac n Jac (www.vetsfightingms.org)
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To: Southack
Moreover, a large collapse will be at least somewhat incremental...you'd see one area fall before another...

I'm not so sure. With our relience on national trucking and food distribution, the national electric grid and with such widespread use of credit cards and electronic banking -- I think it's possible that it would all come crashing down at once.

27 posted on 01/26/2010 7:40:12 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We have the 1st so that we can call on people to rebel. We have 2nd so that they can.)
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To: iloveamerica1980

I can’t access the link....can someone post the map here?


28 posted on 01/26/2010 7:43:27 AM PST by vetvetdoug (FUBO, a fashion statement for conservatives.)
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To: iloveamerica1980
I own a rental house in Pinehurst, NC....

According to this map....appears I've made a reasonable and safe choice!

29 posted on 01/26/2010 7:46:52 AM PST by Logic n' Reason (Keep your friends close......keep your enemies closer!)
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To: Recon Dad
“The Mall of America”!

Perfect!! Mind sharing the place with me?? If that's ok with you...I'll be camped out up by the Garlic store!!!

30 posted on 01/26/2010 7:48:25 AM PST by Logic n' Reason (Keep your friends close......keep your enemies closer!)
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To: proudpapa
". . . plenty of available firewood."

Firewood!! Warms ya twice...cuttin' and burnin'.

But what are you going to do when you get old and unable to cut enough, hmmmmm??? (like I am now)

31 posted on 01/26/2010 7:50:33 AM PST by Logic n' Reason (Keep your friends close......keep your enemies closer!)
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To: vetvetdoug; All
 
 
It's not a standalone map per se, as much as it is a presentation
 
Vid here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VzYMVmk2ms
 
 
 

32 posted on 01/26/2010 7:55:03 AM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: wilco200
So is the Okefenokee Swamp. Some places are sparsely populated for darn good reasons, and swamps rank high on that list.

This guy seriously over estimates the problems of the frost line. I would much rather try to survive a Southern Illinois winter, than try to survive a summer in a malaria infested Florida swamp.

Have you ever noticed that they don't do "Survivor Man" shows about the American Midwest. It just isn't that interesting or hard. Find/build a good shelter, lay in firewood, and you are good to go.
33 posted on 01/26/2010 7:59:38 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Logic n' Reason
Perfect!! Mind sharing the place with me?? If that's ok with you...I'll be camped out up by the Garlic store!!!

The movies tell me that you'd both better be practicing head shots if you want to keep the contents of your craniums.

34 posted on 01/26/2010 8:01:19 AM PST by Stentor ("Never underestimate the transcendental power of spite and revenge!")
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To: wilco200
NOLA is on his map?

I think it’s already been established that you don’t want to be there during a collapse.

I think he avoids the immediate area around NOLA because of population, but he does seem to recommend swampland in the middle of Florida.

Er, good luck with that.

Here's a website that talks a lot about where to go post-collapse.

http://www.survivalblog.com/retreatareas.html

His top 10 states:

1 Idaho
2 Montana
3 Oregon
4 Washington
5 Wyoming
6 Utah
7 South Dakota
8 North Dakota
9 Arizona
10 Colorado

35 posted on 01/26/2010 8:01:47 AM PST by GL of Sector 2814
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To: iloveamerica1980

The analysis given is wrong and does not account for water borne diseases such as malaria which would become a serious problem. One of the reasons the pilgrims landed in Massachusetts was that it was north of the area that was known to harbor water borne diseases and the Massachusetts had one twentieth the number of deaths from water borne diseases of the Cheasapeake area.

The analysis presented might kill you.

If SHTF, I am heading North for this reason.


36 posted on 01/26/2010 8:04:12 AM PST by texmexis best
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To: iloveamerica1980

I live in AR, which is among the areas he listed as good. A friend of mine at church has a cabin I know about and I briefly considered it since it was near a river and thus there’d be a steady supply of fish, but almost everyone at church knows about it and I’m sure he’d have his own plans for it in such an event.

I’ve settled on either making a run for Texas or going up to the Buffalo River. I need to learn a bit about both before I make up my mind.


37 posted on 01/26/2010 8:08:00 AM PST by RWB Patriot ("Need has never produced anything. It has only been an excuse to steal from those with ablity.")
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To: iloveamerica1980

What is “survial”?


38 posted on 01/26/2010 8:10:14 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: iloveamerica1980

Our forefathers made it, all over America.

And so would we.


39 posted on 01/26/2010 8:11:50 AM PST by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: RWB Patriot
I’ve settled on either making a run for Texas or going up to the Buffalo River. I need to learn a bit about both before I make up my mind.

I'll be heading for the hills.....no, wait......I already live there! :-)

Just an FYI, Jack Spirko, creator of TheSurvivalPodcast.com, who lives in the Dallas/Fort Worth area bought land here in Arkansas 25-30 miles from me a few years ago as his bugout location, and is in the process of moving here (if he hasn't already) permanently.

40 posted on 01/26/2010 8:21:07 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Q: What's the difference between Obama and his dog, Bo? A: Bo has papers.)
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To: humblegunner

Nice catch. LOL


41 posted on 01/26/2010 8:22:32 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Become a monthly donor or FR won't be here for you!)
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To: OB1kNOb
One of the most important things will be in an area that can cut itself off. In the month or two after a general collapse you want to be on an island, way up in the mountains or best of all near an army base, with friends on the inside. Look I don’t care if you have a cabin in the country with 1500 rounds of ammo. When 8 million starving gang bangers, drug dealers, welfare queens and other associated Obama voters show up you are going to be overrun. Remember they are all armed too, and even if they are shooting their pistol sideways, there are simply millions of them.

On the other hand an infantry division will take care of these types with little effort. Even if the M1A2s run out of gas, towed artillery can still break up a human wave attack. Lacking an army, get yourself into a militia. On your own you are toast, in a group, especially a group that can lay down some serious firepower, you have a chance.

Basically concerns about frost lines, agriculture and the like will be very secondary in the first few months. Staying away from other people will be the key to survival.
42 posted on 01/26/2010 8:27:53 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: iloveamerica1980

“Urban Survival” is a myth, and a lie. Unrest will be controlled with food, as the population is not sustainable from the land.

Depending upon the strength of any military putting down insurrection, “raiding” (live close to Urbania, raid Urbania, return to the woods) is not even a very viable thing to plan for.

Survival will require the ability and determination to walk of into the mountains (desert, swamp), and never look back.

And “Winter” isn’t so bad, if you know how to deal with it. It will certainly weed out the wanna-bes. The swamps and desert have their own means, I suppose.


43 posted on 01/26/2010 8:28:52 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: GonzoGOP

” be on an island, way up in the mountains “

Plan in place....Let them boat or swim in. Like sitting ducks!


44 posted on 01/26/2010 8:32:49 AM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: dumpthelibs
I tell folks that if the SHTF they have not seen anything. It will be the first day of deer season everyday. I live 80 miles from Memfrica and worry about the fallout from there. The diverse individuals will not go West into Arkansas, they will move in droves to Mississippi and West Tennessee. I have stored food, ammo, and made provisions for water but still am not comfortably safe. There are several of us that are starting to merge so that if its TEOTWAWKI, we can band together for protection.
45 posted on 01/26/2010 8:40:42 AM PST by vetvetdoug (FUBO, a fashion statement for conservatives.)
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To: GonzoGOP
One of the most important things will be in an area that can cut itself off. - check, we can

...in a group, especially a group that can lay down some serious firepower, you have a chance. - check, close to family and good neighbors of like mind that will stick together

...agriculture and the like will be very secondary in the first few months. - check, prepared to raise/acquire own food, if situation lasts that long

Staying away from other people will be the key to survival. - check, that's the plan.

By the time all the zombie hoards descend on us, everything else will have been decimated. We'll then go to plan B, C, D.....

46 posted on 01/26/2010 8:42:42 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Q: What's the difference between Obama and his dog, Bo? A: Bo has papers.)
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To: iloveamerica1980
If/when things fall apart.

THE GOVERMENT WILL NOT BE YOUR FRIEND.

If the government learns you have supplies you will be called a hoarder and they will take them.

The main thing you need for survival is planing now.

You need food stores and ammo they will not be available.

you will need seeds to plant the garden and supplies to can or preserve them.

These need to be in place where you plan to hide out.

47 posted on 01/26/2010 8:43:47 AM PST by mouser (Run the rats out its the only chance we have)
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To: Freddd
The metro-sexual male will be the first to go...then the feminazi's. They cannot survive outside of the city or government...

Tough times make tough people...many of us are too soft...Cross the Rocky's in a covered wagon was not done by the wussies..

Many will toughen up right quick, but many wouldn't even know how to..

48 posted on 01/26/2010 8:47:47 AM PST by goat granny
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To: Freddd
The metro-sexual male will be the first to go...then the feminazi's. They cannot survive outside of the city or government...

Tough times make tough people...many of us are too soft...Cross the Rocky's in a covered wagon was not done by the wussies..

Many will toughen up right quick, but many wouldn't even know how to..

49 posted on 01/26/2010 8:48:19 AM PST by goat granny
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To: wilco200
...but they have free beer!
50 posted on 01/26/2010 8:48:50 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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