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Asperger's Officially Placed Inside Autism Spectrum
National Propaganda Radio ^ | 10 Feb 2010 | Jon Hamilton

Posted on 02/10/2010 1:37:39 PM PST by GOP_Raider

Asperger's syndrome is really just a form of autism and does not merit a separate diagnosis, according to a panel of researchers assembled by the American Psychiatric Association.

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But a new draft fifth edition released Wednesday moves Asperger's officially into the autism category, provoking a wide range of responses among people with Asperger's — some of whom say they do not want to be labeled as autistic.

(Excerpt) Read more at npr.org ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: aspergers; autism; disorders; psychology
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I'm posting this sort of on a personal note here, and I do apologize in advance for posting a story from NPR. I'll never do it again, I promise.
1 posted on 02/10/2010 1:37:39 PM PST by GOP_Raider
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To: GOP_Raider

its ok...i like


2 posted on 02/10/2010 1:39:47 PM PST by dalebert
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To: GOP_Raider
NPR? Why, I'm ashed, GOP_Raider. Whatever shall we do with you now?

just kidding...

3 posted on 02/10/2010 1:40:42 PM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: darkangel82

ashed= ashamed....muchos typos


4 posted on 02/10/2010 1:40:59 PM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; TXBlair; cleveland gop; eyedigress; darkangel82; Biggirl; Man50D; MplsSteve

Pinging some of you from the FR College Football Ping list. Check out the special message on my profile page as well.


5 posted on 02/10/2010 1:42:14 PM PST by GOP_Raider (<----Click over there for a special message from GOP_Raider)
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To: GOP_Raider

The definition of autism has been so expanded as to make it a worthless diagnosis. My cousin was diagnosed with it in the 80s so I’m familiar. Every time I see the 1 in 124 stat on commercials I roll my eyes, knowing that too many people are going to believe it.

Autism exists, and it used to have definite symptoms. Now, any child—typically a boy—who has odd behaviors is automatically considered autistic regardless of the symptoms.

Autism today is a diagnosis in search of a symptom.


6 posted on 02/10/2010 1:44:46 PM PST by ElenaM
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To: darkangel82

Don’t make an ash of yourself.


7 posted on 02/10/2010 1:46:56 PM PST by thulldud
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To: GOP_Raider

Personally, I’m sorry that they did that (although I suppose it is appropriate). Unfortunately it makes everyone think that all autistic children are really Asbergers and promotes unrealistic hopes for them. Furthermore, the parents of some Asberger’s children assume that all other autistic children — those more profoundly affected — could achieve the same accomplishments if only their parents and teachers tried harder.


8 posted on 02/10/2010 1:47:05 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: ElenaM
Autism today is a diagnosis in search of a symptom.

Actually, it's a label in search of federal funding.

9 posted on 02/10/2010 1:47:50 PM PST by thulldud
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To: GOP_Raider

10 posted on 02/10/2010 1:49:12 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: GOP_Raider
If someone named Smith or Jones had come up with the diagnosis for high functioning autism then it should stay as Smith or Jones Syndrome, but Asperger is such an unfortunate name.

Almost as bad as Crohn's disease.

11 posted on 02/10/2010 1:51:13 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: Black Agnes

Ping


12 posted on 02/10/2010 1:51:14 PM PST by Travis McGee (----www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com----)
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To: thulldud

That too. Sad isn’t it?


13 posted on 02/10/2010 1:54:37 PM PST by ElenaM
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To: GOP_Raider

mark


14 posted on 02/10/2010 1:55:03 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: ElenaM

While I was at work on Monday night, I had heard that autism diagnoses had gone up something like 600% in the past 30 years or so (so just a little longer than my own lifetime). Then I got to thinking: isn’t this kind of being over-diagnosed? When I was 7, I had a child psychologist actually say to my parents that I was actually autistic. She was unusually strident about it and about her diagnosis being correct that my parents almost thought about home schooling me from there on out.


15 posted on 02/10/2010 1:58:34 PM PST by GOP_Raider (<----Click over there for a special message from GOP_Raider)
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To: GOP_Raider

Oh gooody, now even more people can pretend to have autism. What will we do when everybody has it? Probably invent new categories all over again.

When the net includes such a wide range, ie,,atuism spectrum, it becomes essentially useless. (No matter what the rock stars say)


16 posted on 02/10/2010 1:59:56 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: GOP_Raider

What a name for a syndrome. Sounds like something you could order in a gay restaurant. A neighbor boy was just diagnosed with that syndrome. He kicked a dent in my new garage door a couple of years ago.


17 posted on 02/10/2010 2:00:29 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: GOP_Raider

Home schooling is a good idea, and something I wish I’d had. (public school, ick). But a lot of times these shrinks are in the profession to figure themselves out.


18 posted on 02/10/2010 2:00:58 PM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: GOP_Raider
You can hate me all you want but Asperger’s is Latin for “needs a spanking.”
19 posted on 02/10/2010 2:01:49 PM PST by TSgt (I long for Norman Rockwell's America.)
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To: MikeWUSAF

Is it bad that I laughed out loud at that?


20 posted on 02/10/2010 2:02:40 PM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: GOP_Raider

I have Asperger’s, and usually I just tell people that I am mildly autistic if they wonder why I am so weird at times.


21 posted on 02/10/2010 2:03:46 PM PST by Infralutheran
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To: darkangel82

I’m not trying to be insensitive, I just believe many of these behavioral disorders are misdiagnosed.


22 posted on 02/10/2010 2:03:53 PM PST by TSgt (I long for Norman Rockwell's America.)
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To: MikeWUSAF

A lot of them are, I agree. There was another FR thread on this a while ago.


23 posted on 02/10/2010 2:04:45 PM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: darkangel82

24 posted on 02/10/2010 2:05:00 PM PST by TSgt (I long for Norman Rockwell's America.)
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To: GOP_Raider

Please, people. There are a lot of us here with children who have one or another form of autism. Let’s not pooh pooh the diagnosis.

What you from the outside might see as just a “boy who’s a little odd” is actually probably a guy with some specific disorder that can be helped as best as possible to have the best life as possible. Even kids with Asperger’s benefit from getting a diagnosis and learning to organize their lives appropriately.

If you are one of those old-timers wondering why there weren’t all these kids with autism back in your day, remember that the environment was different back then. We don’t know what causes autism to spring up (possibly from a genetic tendency): could it be all the plastics in every aspect or our environment? Could it be all the vaccines given to NEWBORNS - around 10 before the child is even 6 months old (with all the adjuvants, media, diseases, and preservatives in the vaccines)? We don’t know.

But autism is real.

And I certainly can tell that Asperger’s is a mild form thereof, so I reluctantly have to agree with the APA for once.


25 posted on 02/10/2010 2:06:43 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: MikeWUSAF

I am actually insulted at your spanking jokes. I am a mom who believes in light, hand on butt spanking between the ages of 3 and 6, to make a better-behaved older child. (Some kids need no spanking because a scold will shape them well enough.)

However, my son with Asperger’s could have been WHIPPED with a cat-o’nine-tails and would not have been ABLE to change his behavior. Would you be in favor of whipping Sarah Palin’s son if he doesn’t have perfect behavior too?

Enjoy your little joke, because those of us dealing with this will probably have to have a cry at the insensitivity of some of our fellow FReepers.


26 posted on 02/10/2010 2:10:41 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
...remember that the environment was different back then.

Exactly, parents disciplined their children and children learned to have self control. I agree that Autism is real, I don't believe in Asperger's syndrome.
27 posted on 02/10/2010 2:11:13 PM PST by TSgt (I long for Norman Rockwell's America.)
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To: GOP_Raider

I have Aspergers, and I only found that out recently after my son was diagnosed with it.

I always had some form of “different” learning abilities that always stumped my teachers and parents. many thought it was a hearing problem, they tried to drug me when I was a teen and as I grew up I was never able to interact socially.
Only on the internet do I have pure freedom of speech and a more easily way to communicate.
Its a blessing and a curse, I was always the smart one but shied away from being propelled by others to be a leader.


28 posted on 02/10/2010 2:11:57 PM PST by Eye of Unk ("Either you are with us or you are for the terrorists." ~~George W. Bush)
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To: Yaelle

Sarah Pain’s son has Down Syndrome. Big difference. Try again...


29 posted on 02/10/2010 2:12:13 PM PST by TSgt (I long for Norman Rockwell's America.)
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To: Yaelle
I won't question your parenting, but some of us who rejected all the “labels” pushed upon us by doctors and schools don't like the frequency that the “Asperger’s” word is thrown around with.
30 posted on 02/10/2010 2:13:10 PM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: MikeWUSAF

Autism is on a spectrum. Diagnosing it, one sees kids all the way from very highly functioning, but still with poor social and emotional control, to completely inside their own worlds.

Asperger’s definitely exists. You might find a child with Asperger’s unable to stop talking about the movie he just saw, and he may repeat the entire 2.5 hours verbatim to you. That is not your normal child. He may be able to solve complex equations and yet unable to tie a shoe, after months of trying. You might find a teenager crying against his will when disappointed in public; he can’t control it.

Look at David Boies (sp?): he’s a perfect example of Asperger’s even if he doesn’t know it (not sure if he is actually diagnosed). There he was defending Al Gore at the 2000 Supreme Court election case, saying to the justices to refer to page 325, paragraph 4. WITHOUT ANY NOTES HIMSELF. Then see him on CNN discussing his case, and they say all the right things to get him to stop talking but he doesn’t. He does not pick up the cues. They almost need the old Vaudeville hook. Think about his wardrobe. This multimillionnaire has a closet filled with the exact same cheap Land’s End suit. That is an adult with Asperger’s.

It’s real. And kids with it could benefit somewhat from being diagnosed, if only to help others understand them, and to give them a chance at a good life.


31 posted on 02/10/2010 2:20:07 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: MikeWUSAF
Sarah Pain’s son has Down Syndrome. Big difference. Try again...

How is it different? Would you whip a blind boy for choosing the wrong color socks?

My point was that you punish kids only for doing something they could have helped, something wrong or dangerous.

32 posted on 02/10/2010 2:21:42 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: JoeProBono

That is the official ribbon colors for autism because of the branches of that disease. Seen UConn Coach Jim Calhoun wear one because he has a grandchild with it.


33 posted on 02/10/2010 2:22:58 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: GOP_Raider
Looks like “autism” is the “chronic fatigue syndrome” of today.
34 posted on 02/10/2010 2:24:13 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: Yaelle

Yaelle, that was well written and I completely agree.


35 posted on 02/10/2010 2:24:16 PM PST by Infralutheran
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To: GOP_Raider

There’s a big controversy over that lady who invented the way to keep cattle calm while they are being led to the slaughterhouse, Temple Whatshername. Some say she is autistic, others say she is just an eccentric fraud capatilizing on a disorder. That’s the problems you have when a net is cast too wide.


36 posted on 02/10/2010 2:32:28 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: afraidfortherepublic

btt


37 posted on 02/10/2010 3:07:32 PM PST by OldCorps
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To: MikeWUSAF
You can hate me all you want but Asperger’s is Latin for “needs a spanking.”

My guess would have been German instead of Latin.

38 posted on 02/10/2010 11:43:45 PM PST by GOP_Raider (<----Click over there for a special message from GOP_Raider)
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To: MikeWUSAF

Well congrats to you that you and your children are just perfect - no problems, no illness, no mental issues. People like you can just make fun of children with issues or illnesses. Those of us dealing with these things or who love children who have these issues know they are real. But go ahead and sit on your high horse and make fun of them. Classy.


39 posted on 02/11/2010 8:12:14 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (I support Coach Mike Leach and think Gerald Meyers should be run out of Lubbock!)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
So those who are pretending to have autism are cashing in? How exactly? I've got several people who I'd like to tell about how to cash in on this great idea!

Other than Temple Grandin, are there other movies about folks in the Autism spectrum who are making tons of money off of their pretend like disorder?

40 posted on 02/11/2010 8:16:50 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (I support Coach Mike Leach and think Gerald Meyers should be run out of Lubbock!)
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To: darkangel82
And then, there are, um, these labels.
41 posted on 02/11/2010 9:47:09 AM PST by GOP_Raider (<----Click over there for a special message from GOP_Raider)
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To: MikeWUSAF
I’m not trying to be insensitive, I just believe many of these behavioral disorders are misdiagnosed.

Nor am trying to be insensitive, I just believe people that aren't bright enough to know when they are too ignorant to speak intelligently should keep quiet.

To me that kind of spouting off is the sign of someone that missed a needed spanking.

42 posted on 02/11/2010 10:51:08 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to...." ;)
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To: hobbes1

Your tagline says it all!


43 posted on 02/11/2010 10:52:48 AM PST by TSgt (I long for Norman Rockwell's America.)
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To: hobbes1
How wonderful it must be not to have any illness or problems in a family so that one can make fun of children who need special attention or a different approach to learning and discipline.

I don't believe in just beating kids for not conforming - I guess I'm not smart.

44 posted on 02/11/2010 10:54:24 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (I support Coach Mike Leach and think Gerald Meyers should be run out of Lubbock!)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Net too wide?

When a disorder goes from affecting 1 in 10,000 to 1 in < 200,
you cannot cast the net too wide.

That order of magnitude is not explicable by increased awareness and reporting, or people just making things up.

For all of the people here, that award themselves a recognition of intelligence for merely not being liberal,there is an overwhelming lack of flat out common sense.


45 posted on 02/11/2010 2:15:35 PM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to...." ;)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Looks like “autism” is the “chronic fatigue syndrome” of today.

Yes. You must be very smart.

One was a device overblown by burnt out yuppies, (who presumably had the cognizance to go that route)....the former is a burden on children too young to have even fully developed self awareness

46 posted on 02/11/2010 2:18:06 PM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to...." ;)
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To: hobbes1

When the bar is set so low that almost anyone can qualify, then words start to lose meaning. But then again that was always the goal of the liberals.


47 posted on 02/11/2010 6:22:33 PM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: GOP_Raider

It’s a stupid decision on the part of the DSM. It’s like folding in nearsightedness, farsightedness, single eye blindness, colorblindness, night blindness et al into the label of “Blind” or “vision impaired”. A nearsighted person isn’t “blind”, but rather, simply nearsighted and needs to adjust their vision, much like how people with AS need to adjust their social settings. I’ve learned never to go to bars, clubs or anything of the sort and to try to live alone or with other people with AS who can understand me.

A lot of people with Autism just have a touch of the disorder and others are barely stopping themselves from drooling. A good example would be my personal life. In any lab, I’m usually the quickest person once I get to know what I’m doing and how to do it, provided it’s explained to me in a black and white, formula filled way and not because I’m just “told” to do something. That’s how I learned how to fix a bicycle, fix a computer and to A person with classic autism wouldn’t be able to do either.

This is going to get reworked soon because other spectrum disorders have certain terms for certian ends of the spectrum. A good example is the schizophrenia spectrum with Schizoid PD, Schizotypical PD and Schizophrenia. It’s not all Schizophrenia.

I probably see it as this, all under the blanket of “Autism”. They can’t fold in Autism without folding in Schizophrenia (Which, IMHO, will be the next big thing to explain why Johnny is a bit odd).

PDD: A lack of ability to pick up on nonverbal communication with no significant intellectual delay.
AS: Same as above, except it includes significant lack of eye contact, ritual thinking and little to no intellectual delay, but social skill delay. May show savantlike abilities in a few narrow subjects.
Kanner’s Syndrome: Profound intellectual delay as well as social and communication delay.

They will revise this.


48 posted on 02/12/2010 3:32:49 PM PST by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Temple Whatshername

Temple Grandin. Fascinating woman. She was the keynote speaker at my professional convention two years ago. I didn't doubt her Asperger's diagnosis for a moment! If she's capitalizing on her disability, I say more power to her. I have a disabled brother; would that he could profit from his blindness. It would sure beat the heck out of his unemployment.

49 posted on 02/12/2010 8:23:34 PM PST by TXBlair (My custom spring break shirt: I'm spending my $$ in Vegas... ...because Obama told me not to.)
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To: GOP_Raider

Good for you for coming out o’ the closet. Embrace the spectrum, Raider! ;)

Obviously, there are a few here who don’t buy into it; maybe they know far better than I do. I mean, I’ve only spent my entire professional career in the field of special education. Never mind that I work with kiddos with autism, PDD, and Asperger’s every day of the week. What do I know?


50 posted on 02/12/2010 8:29:27 PM PST by TXBlair (My custom spring break shirt: I'm spending my $$ in Vegas... ...because Obama told me not to.)
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