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Posted on 02/13/2010 8:07:19 AM PST by butterdezillion
Flags in Hawaii Posted on Saturday, February 13, 2010 in The Blogs
Hawaii Flag A blogger under the name Butterdezillion (BZ from here on) has written an article titled Red Flags in Hawaii about how the actions of Hawaii Department of Health officials should raise red flags about President Obamas birth. In an earlier article BZ tells the story of his frustration with phone calls and emails to the Hawaii Department of Health trying to get copies of the DoH regulations.
There are two ways of looking at this story. Certainly from BZs point of view, it is the story of one lone heroic figures quest for the truth against corrupt government bureaucrats. From the viewpoint of the Hawaii Department of Health, it is probably just the story of just one of a thousand nutty birthers pestering them and preventing them from doing their real jobs. BZ appears to be frustrated and offended, and perhaps for this reason engages in hyperbole when describing what happened while piling up real and imagined slights from the DoH, inflating uncooperativeness on the part of the Department of Health to criminal status.
The Red Flags article really doesnt make much sense outside of the context of the earlier article, and so I suggest the interested reader read the earlier article first.
So lets look through BZs numbered issues. The following include the statement of the complaint, but not the lengthy explanations, for which I refer readers back to the original article.
1. DOH Director Fukino illegally hid until Nov 2009 the DOH Administrative Rules showing that election officials could have received a copy of Obamas original birth certificate without his permission. This is simply false, since the rules are publicly available on a state web site, easily located and accessible
(Excerpt) Read more at obamaconspiracy.org ...
I posted this in response:
"It is obvious that you didnt look at my links.
For instance, you dont note that I provided e-mails showing that the DOH would not even say which rules they were following during all that time -much less have them published. You look at it now and say, The rules are there now so they were there all the time, when Ive shown the hassle a lot of us went through to get them there.
The proof that you didnt even look at my links is your calling me a him when my e-mails have my name on them: Nellie.
If you cant get even the basic facts straight and you did the same thing with every point of mine, not just the first one then its clear youre not willing to do this issue justice.
I will approve your pingback in the hopes that as people see what Ive actually got there, they will see that you are being blatantly dishonest and in their heart of hearts they will wonder why.
Instead of waxing philosophical about the pathology of conspiracy theorists, some basic honesty about documented facts would be nice."
Any ideas on what else I can do to inform the people who will blindly follow whatever inaccurate assessment this guy gives?
You can't because it's deliberate.
Good job, flak, target etc.
You took his bait.
Here is the 1st lie exposed that they have refused to debate with me:
Go after them with the truth, keep it to the point and target the lie, not the writer of the lie. It gets them every time.
Thanks for your good work. The Hawaii DOH and other parts of the bureaucracy has been involved in faking birth places on their certifications for a long time, for reasons of political and bureaucratic convenience.
Basically, more federal welfare money and more Democrat votes.
So Obama’s documentation is probably entangled in that, and is only the tip of an enormous iceberg that they’d prefer not to let see the light of day.
Yeeehaaaw! You know you’ve got them on the ropes when they feel like they need to address your post, and then willfully ignore your links in the hopes that no one else will follow them! LOL!
So if I understand this right, and I’m not sure I do...
A request is made for a birth certificate.
The response is, we are not able to release it due to administrative rules.
A request is then made for a copy of the rules.
A response comes saying that according to the administrative rules, the administrative rules cannot be released.
And then, Yosarian climbed the tree naked.
Then weeks later the rules turn up and sure enough, they say the birth certificate can’t be released.
In Obama world, this is becoming more and more common.
Perhaps the amendment was to remove his father's name, so as to avoid the need to have renounced UK/Kenyan citizenship despite a Hawaiian birth? Who knows, but I think the focus should be on how he's keeping it secret, not on what is there.
lol. It was longer than 3 weeks (I think somebody tried for 4 months to get the Admin Rules)and they turned their phones off and “lost” requests rather than actually bothering to answer any of the requests (which is why we had to go through the higher-ups including the lieutenant governor and Hawaii legislature) but aside from that you’ve got it exactly right.
Funny how Dr. Conspiracy missed all that. You must be a genius! =)
Under the current statute Cheney would be too distant a relative to be able to receive the certified standard copy. Under previous statutes he would have been able to, so it seems like that disclosure might have been “grandfathered in”.
I agree that the focus needs to be the hiding. For one thing, we’ve got so many contradictory statements from the DOH that only God knows which of their statements is true.
Actually, like you said, Cheney COULD have received a copy under the statute. But currently they are saying the ancestor has to be once or twice removed from the person requesting. I’m not sure what they use as the basis for that. Seems like I’ve seen something (in an OIP Opinion letter?) about it.
But then they’ve been saying a lot of stuff that just isn’t so, so maybe there isn’t anything legal that narrows it down that much.
He concedes the point:
“If you think I am willing to wade through every stray hyperlink on your web site, then you have an inflated idea of the importance of your controversy.”
My point was just that it could have been obtained many ways, such as via a nice payment to one of the relatives he's thrown under the bus.
I think he was clearly born in Hawaii, but has something embarrassing on there.
In reading the document at the link I realized that liberal “progressives” will interpret the Constitution in any way they feel justified, and the same way they interpret the Bible!
The hospital refuses to admit he was born there. Other than hiding behind the HIPAA rules that they cited, why wouldn’t any hospital WANT to claim a future President was born there?
The laws actually provide for a new birth certificate to be made to cover up the “embarrassing” situations - illegitimacy, gender ambiguity or change, adoption - with the original one containing the embarrassing information being sealed. So none of those things would require an amendment, nor would an amendment be apparent to anybody looking at his documentation.
So if it was something embarrassing it would have to be something besides those things.
They printed on their website a letter signed by Obama, with raised White House seal, saying he was born at Kapiolani. And they swear that the letter is genuine.
Seems like that would be authorization from Obama to reveal that he was born there - since he himself says so.
But Obama won’t admit to having signed the letter. He won’t allow himself to be on the legal record in ANYTHING he says. Why?
Don’t get upset with me, but what is the endgame for this birth certificate hunt? He’s not going to leave office or be forced out. Remember, the Democrats still hold large majorities in the Congress. Does anyone remember Bill Clinton, who was not convicted in an impeachment trial?
I think this movement’s energies would be better spent to try to get laws passed in the states that in order for people to get on Federal ballots, they have to show proof of citizenship in the case of Senator and Congressional candidates and have to show proof of natural born citizenship in the case of the Presidency. If even one or two states passed this law, it would force Obama to prove his natural born citizenship before re-running for re-election. If he did not and was not on the ballots in those one or two states, then you would have a real scandal brewing. Mainstream America would start really asking questions then.
IMO, this is a fruitless endeavor to try to drag the birth certificate records out of Hawaii. It’s not going to happen and this idea will be relegated to fringe status. Don’t make this issue about Obama, make it about adherence to the Constitution for everyone who wants to run for President.
Has anyone erected the historical place name plates at his place of birth and first residence? This is common for presidents. Also, people in the town usually come forward and talk about his mother’s pregnancy and birth. Can some one link us to those exciting stories as told by the actual witnesses? It’s important to capture these people on video before they die of old age.
So you believe that the Democrat House and Senate would pass such a law? Yeah, right.
Good questions. No answers coming from the WH. What is he hiding?