Posted on 02/13/2010 8:07:19 AM PST by butterdezillion
Flags in Hawaii Posted on Saturday, February 13, 2010 in The Blogs
Hawaii Flag A blogger under the name Butterdezillion (BZ from here on) has written an article titled Red Flags in Hawaii about how the actions of Hawaii Department of Health officials should raise red flags about President Obama’s birth. In an earlier article BZ tells the story of his frustration with phone calls and emails to the Hawaii Department of Health trying to get copies of the DoH regulations.
There are two ways of looking at this story. Certainly from BZ’s point of view, it is the story of one lone heroic figure’s quest for the truth against corrupt government bureaucrats. From the viewpoint of the Hawaii Department of Health, it is probably just the story of just one of a thousand nutty birthers pestering them and preventing them from doing their real jobs. BZ appears to be frustrated and offended, and perhaps for this reason engages in hyperbole when describing what happened while piling up real and imagined slights from the DoH, inflating uncooperativeness on the part of the Department of Health to criminal status.
The Red Flags article really doesn’t make much sense outside of the context of the earlier article, and so I suggest the interested reader read the earlier article first.
So let’s look through BZ’s numbered issues. The following include the statement of the complaint, but not the lengthy explanations, for which I refer readers back to the original article.
1. DOH Director Fukino illegally hid until Nov 2009 the DOH Administrative Rules showing that election officials could have received a copy of Obama’s original birth certificate without his permission. This is simply false, since the rules are publicly available on a state web site, easily located and accessible
(Excerpt) Read more at obamaconspiracy.org ...
Once again, I ask what does paperless mean? The term "paperless" means nothing, zero, nada. The original paper vault BCs are still there otherwise, there would be front page headlines with color photos of all the original records being burned in a huge bonfire in front of the courthouse and the state department. Can you imagine the uproar from the citizens of Hawaii.
Get Aunt Zeituni to request it. If she had any sense she’d already have about six copies hidden around the world. It’d be her ticket to stay in the US. I’d be willing to forgive her past transgressions if she’d present it at her next hearing.
I’m certainly not upset at you for asking that. I ask myself that at least 5 times a day. lol.
If you read my post at http://www.butterdezillion.wordpress.com you’ll see that for me the issue is lawlessness. Getting Obama out would be nice but as long as we have no law enforcement he will just be replaced by another lawless creature. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Until we get a handle on how to make our government obey the law, it won’t matter what laws are made.
And until we get an honest media, elections are a sad joke.
We need to work on the stuff we clearly can impact, such as passing laws that require disclosure. But the fact is that Hawaii ALREADY has laws that require disclosure - and they’re blatantly thumbing their noses at anybody who says they should follow those laws. If we allow that behavior to stand, it doesn’t matter what laws we make.
That’s why this issue transcends political party and the particular individuals involved. It is an issue of America becoming a place where laws are enforced. The corruption in Washington is obvious to everybody with a halfway-open mind. But we’re all impotent to do anything about it. When the people are impotent, absolute power will corrupt anybody we send to Washington.
I hope you can see what I’m saying. Elections and laws are one battle, but unless the proper checks and balances are in place - including law enforcement and the people’s right to petition the government for a redress of grievances - government will not be truly accountable and the bigger war will be lost. Mexico has laws. Zimbabwe has laws. Every nation has laws. But not every nation is free, and that is the war we face - the war to keep America free.
The Ambassador of Kenya says yes, they are planning to make a monument where Obama was born in Mombasa.
They are the same people in both places with the same deliberate obfuscation. If you think that you are going to persuade them, get that out of your head. They are idealogs, emphasis on the “logs”.
lol. Quote of the day! You’ve pegged it well, Uncle Chip!
BTW, do you have any idea why the keywords for this thread are Cheese, Moose, Sister, and Conspiracy? lol.
Loved that statement, “this is the war to keep America free”.
Er - topics. Topics are Cheese, Moose, Sister, and Conspiracy.
I agree with everything you say. We have to be a nation of laws and a nation that holds everyone accountable to those laws. By taking on this one issue to make that point, it appears that your motives (to the public) is that you are going after Obama. No matter that your motives are that we are a nation of laws in which everyone (from the President on down) has to obey them, that is not what will come out.
Me personally, I think that he is most likely a natural born citizen, but there could be something embarassing to him that would be revealed on that birth certificate. However, I don’t know this for a fact because he has not presented proof of this. I believe your cause could be better served by going about it the way I suggested. Because we are a nation of laws that starts with our bedrock (the Constitution) we will push at the state level that in the future, any candidate that seeks election to office (be they state or federal) will have to give proof of their eligibility for that office. For the Presidency, that proof will require a birth certificate and whatever documentation is required to prove they are a natural born citizen as outlined by election laws at the time of their birth.
God bless you in those efforts. We definitely need them.
I think the media has framed the issue as though concerned citizens are out to get Obama no matter what proof goes against them.
Just like they framed the Man-Made Global Warming thing.
But then the e-mails came out. Never touched by the government-run media, but hearings were initiated in Congress.
ACORN was never touched by the government-run media, but Congress voted to block funding. And then a judge said our representatives can’t do that. So there it sits. We the people and our whole process have been screwed because of one judge sitting in an office somewhere.
The dinosaur media is dead. People are flocking away from them. So Obama goes after Fox, the only news media he had to worry about when he threatened annihilation via FCC license revocation if they reported on this one issue.
More than a “birther” I would say I am a government reformist. I think Scott Brown’s election shows that even rank-and-file democrats want government reform - an insistence that the rules and laws be followed. And the Tea Party Movement, I think, shows that independents and republicans want it too. The people who DON’T want it are the talking heads and power-brokers in both parties. I wonder why that is...
I think this is a winning issue, and that is why Obama’s people are trying so hard to neuter its impact by getting conservatives to ridicule it.
Case in point, taken from http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/13/us/politics/13obama.html :
“but aides said last month that he (Obama) still reserves the right to ignore sections of bills he considers unconstitutional if objections have been lodged previously by the executive branch.”
That, right there, is an accurate summary of everything Obama has done, and everything he has pressured people in positions to expose him into doing.
And if he gets away with it, he and anybody who follows him would be a fool to NOT be that way.
Exactly ---
And they actually didn’t stop issuing the long-form certificates in 2001. They stopped doing that in October of 2008, according to the revision date on what they now call the “Certificate of Live Birth”. Although even after that - until June of 2009 - they said on the DHHL site that the long-form contains more info and would be needed to establish native Hawaiian status.
Say, bgill, in vital stats offices do they have one person go through and stamp all the certificates with certificate numbers in order and then farm them out to several clerks to do the indexing on them? Or do they have more than one person putting numbers on the certificates and they have to check with each other to see which ones are already used as they go along? Any insights on that?
So does the judge have to tell them again that they can’t do it?
I suppose the prohibition on ACORN funding could be a portion of the bill that Obama decides to ignore because he thinks it’s unconstitutional (see http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/13/us/politics/13obama.html ).... Can his budget go against what is in the appropriations bill if he decides to ignore the portions he doesn’t like?
There are so many ways to skin a cat, as they say. (Although I like cats). So many ways to render the laws moot. Let us COUNT the ways...
Sorry, don’t know.
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Who is Obama's birth doctor? Is that such a hard question for the President of the United States to answer?
1. Right now, I would just be satisfied with Obama coming out and announcing to all the world the name of his 1961 birth doctor so that the good doctor and his family can rightfully enjoy all the public glory and public rewards that a doctor who delivered a president of the united States should receive.
2. But surprisingly, dear old Obama has been conspicuously silent when it comes to publicly giving us his 1961 birth doctor's name.
3. Why is dear old Obama denying his 1961 birth doctor and his family all the public praise and rewards that a doctor who delivered the sitting President of the United States should be entitled to?
4. For instance, the doctor and his family could appear all over the television on such shows as Larry King, Hannity, O'Reilly, and Beck.
5. The good doctor could write a best-selling book about his experiences as a doctor at Kapiolani Hospital, the hospital where Obama says that he was born.
6. The good doctor could have a TV-movie made of his life, and he and his family could become rich and famous from books and movies.
7. The good doctor's family could have members who are important or not so important people today, people who could use the financial rewards and publicity that would come to them when Obama publicly announced the name of his 1961 Hawaii birth doctor.
8. But poor Obama, he is so silent about the name of his birth doctor.
9. So, again, why is the President of the United States behaving in such a terrible way and setting such a poor example to the people of the United States?
10. Could this be the reason: There is NO doctor name or hospital name on Obama's 1961 long form birth certificate?
11. Yes, that is the reason, in my opinion.
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